Originally Posted by C C Kent (Post 2192305)

Not trying to offend anyone who has an APRI puppy, the average pet buyer does not know the difference and doesn't think to ask until they own a puppy.

AKC limited registration allows the puppy to participate in AKC sanctioned events with the exception of Conformation events. Conformation events are designed to choose the best breeding stock and limited registration means no breeding. AKC full registration allows the puppy to participate in any AKC sanctioned event including conformation, and to register puppies when bred to another AKC full reg. dog.

APRI does not offer limited registration. It is specifically designed to serve the commercial pet breeding industry. The purpose was to deal with the limitations put in place by AKC. It allows people to purchase top breeding stock with limited registration (no breeding rights) and break the agreement by registering with an alternative registry. Many in the public are clueless to the purpose and practice of APRI so they buy the puppy and support the practice. To say that the registries are equal is to excuse the outright theft of breeding rights in many cases. Most simply don't know what they are supporting in buying and registering with APRI.

Those who have the best bloodlines are very particular about who they share the blood with. If they let an intact dog out of their program and into the wrong hands it could wind up in a commercial breeding program. For this reason many are now spay/neutering at a very young age because people don't keep their word.

It's about trying to keep the dogs you breed out of commercial breeding programs... not selfish, responsible.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2192360)

APRI is just another registration. AKC is the most recognized and strictest in regards to enforcing their policies. But that does NOT mean your dog is inferior to any other, be it AKC champion or mutt! Just because a dog is AKC reg doesn't automatically mean it is of a better quality or had a better breeder or even that it's full blooded Yorkie! Please don't let other people's clouded opinions get you down.

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2192478)

Because AKC is stricter and has a DNA profile set up the chances that your AKC registered pup is pure bred are alot better than that of any other registry. The chances that the breeder is conducting themselves in an ethical way are also higher as AKC will do an inspection of your facility and your records where other registries won't bother. The AKC system is far from perfect but it is the best that we have at present for protecting dog owners and the dogs.

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2192539)

At least with AKC you have big brother watching. Breeders can not only be fined and suspended but AKC will publish that these actions have been taken and why. That means your fellow breeders will know if you are trying to pull something or not taking care of your animals. They try to put the pressure on to keep people honest. It's kinda like driving. Having cops around to enforce the speed limit will not insure safety on the road but it does improve your chances.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2192538)

Also, just to add one more thing. DNA profiling is not required of every single case of an AKC produced litter, so to make that claim and not consider that parentage of a litter can be easily falsified and never proven otherwise unless chanllenged IMO, gives a false sense of comfort.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2192554)

True, and I think it's great that they do enforce these issues and are stringent with them. Also good to know that they face consequences, IF caught. But I think that would be of little console to someone who got screwed over by an AKC breeder and assumed that because it they bred AKC, they MUST be OK.

A registration having and enforcing rules does not remove the possibility that you could still get taken, get a dog with an illness or genetic defect, one that doesn't meet standard, etc. People need to be aware of that and more emphasis placed on properly researching the breed and breeders first, IMO.

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2192557)

No but DNA is required on most stud males unless they do very little (less than 3 litters). Most breeders therefore have their studs DNA'd. It's not a false sense of security if it can be challenged. Connor's parentage can be proven as the sire of both or his parents are DNA's as is his sire. It gives AKC a way to test and see if you are lying about who sired a litter. My Tayla is from Brazil and so her lineage is not recorded in the AKC studbook. I not only had to give them her pedigree and FCI papers once they were transfered into my name, I had to have her microchipped, DNA'd and send a front view and side view picture. Her litter will be verifiable because both parents have been DNA's.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2192574)

Well that is very honest that YOU take those step, protect yourself and conduct your program in a reputable way. But can the same be said about EVERY breeder? No way.
Again, MOST does not mean ALL. When the simple statement is made, AKC requires DNA profiling, bottom line is, that is not ALWAYS the case. So to use that as a justification of AKC's top-knotchedness (I will be copyrighting that term ;)) is not a valid or entirely accutate one, IMO. I would hate to think someone walked into a breeders home thinking to themselves, "Well, these dogs have been DNA verified because they are AKC." and it be one of those males that WASN'T tested. Or even better, that the male claimed to be the father wasn't required because this is his first and only time to sire and 6 months down the road find out that by George, the real sire to the litter was the neighbors Cocker Spaniel.

Yes, education and awareness and caution are always your BEST line of defense.

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2192654)

I think I have lost the point that you are trying tomake. Are you saying that AKC is not a better registry than the newer, what are often referred to as vanity registries?

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2192654)

You're always going to run into people who are trying to get around the rules and hide their deceit. No registry or law is going to change that.

Originally Posted by good_gurl63901 (Post 2193203)

ok so i have another question.. is there a way for someone to find out for sure that their pup is what they are suppose to be?? you all are talking about DNA and all, so can they take a sample and let you know what is 'in your pup'?

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2193259)

We got so busy going around we lost track of where we were going!