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DvlshAngel985 08-13-2008 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2179875)
These sound like reasonable and even logical solutions to our critical pet over population. It would be wonderful if we were working towards ending the need for shelters.
I think that's what they are trying to achieve. However, I have yet to see it be enforced. The law that I'm aware of is only in affect in the city of Los Angeles, not the county. And within the city of LA, I personally know a family friend who just recently "bred" her chi puppy. That's not exactly following the rules that were just passed.

Pinehaven 08-13-2008 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 2180024)
I think that's what they are trying to achieve. However, I have yet to see it be enforced. The law that I'm aware of is only in affect in the city of Los Angeles, not the county. And within the city of LA, I personally know a family friend who just recently "bred" her chi puppy. That's not exactly following the rules that were just passed.
The law doesn't go into effect until October 1, 2008 so anyone can breed or have intact animals until that date ... after that date, if you don't have a special licence for owning intact animals (and pay extra yearly fees), you will be considered breaking the law.

Does anyone know if AKC (or any other registry) has applied to Los Angeles for official "recognition" yet? If they haven't done that by Oct 1, no one is going to be able to "legally" own unaltered dogs and cats in that area.

Chicago is trying to pass a similar bill and Virginia is thought to be the next area that will be targeted.

DvlshAngel985 08-13-2008 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2180093)
The law doesn't go into effect until October 1, 2008 so anyone can breed or have intact animals until that date ... after that date, if you don't have a special licence for owning intact animals (and pay extra yearly fees), you will be considered breaking the law.

Does anyone know if AKC (or any other registry) has applied to Los Angeles for official "recognition" yet? If they haven't done that by Oct 1, no one is going to be able to "legally" own unaltered dogs and cats in that area.

Chicago is trying to pass a similar bill and Virginia is thought to be the next area that will be targeted.
Really??? It's not in effect yet????
I thought it was!?!?!?!? The news sure made it seem as if it went into effect and the way the SPCA was celebrating and quickly opened up new spay and neuter centers made it seemed like it had gone into effect. I guess I was misinformed!!!:p

Does anyone really think these kind of laws will really help? I'm hoping they do, but am really sceptical.

Thorsmomma 08-13-2008 06:21 PM
Ya know what. That's really harsh, and also a little too late. They are targeting the wrong group. People that just bought a puppy are not going to return it after the fact and go adopt a pound puppy. It's sad that so many dogs and cats are euthanized every year, but this campaign had been taken too far I think...

bchgirl 08-13-2008 06:27 PM
Back yard breeders will probably ignore the law. Puppy mills now are already licensed by the government via USDA. They don't have enough inspectors to inspect those now.

I don't like the government to have the authority to say...who may and who may not...receive a permit. Suppose these permits are limited to a certain number. Who gets one then? Who decides there are "enough'...say yorkie breeders or any other specific breed?

DvlshAngel985 08-13-2008 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2180575)
Back yard breeders will probably ignore the law. Puppy mills now are already licensed by the government via USDA. They don't have enough inspectors to inspect those now.

I don't like the government to have the authority to say...who may and who may not...receive a permit. Suppose these permits are limited to a certain number. Who gets one then? Who decides there are "enough'...say yorkie breeders or any other specific breed?
Good point! I was wondering that myself....Plus there are also all these budget problems here, how could they hire anyone to inspect properties anyway??

DukesMommy 08-13-2008 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Thorsmomma (Post 2180556)
Ya know what. That's really harsh, and also a little too late. They are targeting the wrong group. People that just bought a puppy are not going to return it after the fact and go adopt a pound puppy. It's sad that so many dogs and cats are euthanized every year, but this campaign had been taken too far I think...
Thats what I thought when they were having a hay day promoting the bill.
It sounded good in theory, reducing the number of animals on the streets and in the shelters. I hate to see the number of animals that have been euthanized. But the way they were trying to do it was going to make it cost even more to buy a puppy from a good breeder, and I don't think it would motivate anyone to spay/neuter their pet if they didn't want to before the law. So it was just going to make it more of a hassle for the people who are already responsible pet owners and reputable breeders.

C C Kent 08-13-2008 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2180575)
Back yard breeders will probably ignore the law. Puppy mills now are already licensed by the government via USDA. They don't have enough inspectors to inspect those now.

I don't like the government to have the authority to say...who may and who may not...receive a permit. Suppose these permits are limited to a certain number. Who gets one then? Who decides there are "enough'...say yorkie breeders or any other specific breed?
EXACTLY!! These efforts sound lofty and make some feel they have accomplished something, besides intruding on private property rights, but in essence they are just fund raising techniques. If you want to know what the real agenda is just follow the money, the power, the authority. These people have a desperate need to control others...I doubt their lives would hold up to the kind of scrutiny they want to inflict upon the general public. If I were a mistreated animal I would certainly hope that PETA was not the group to come to my rescue.

bchgirl 08-13-2008 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 2180596)
Good point! I was wondering that myself....Plus there are also all these budget problems here, how could they hire anyone to inspect properties anyway??
They don't have enough social workers to inspect the living conditions of children....so what does that tell you?

USDA has a very limited amount of people for their inspections...which includes actual commerical breeders of poultry, cattle...etc.

There is not enough money to hire enough inspectors.

I imagine most of the enforcement would be done much like it is here...if you exceed 5 dogs...someone has to report that you own more dogs than this. There isn't some patrol randomly knocking at your door.

That alone is the reason I suspect it will do little to stop backyard breeders....they'll ignore the law.

DvlshAngel985 08-13-2008 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2180651)
They don't have enough social workers to inspect the living conditions of children....so what does that tell you?

USDA has a very limited amount of people for their inspections...which includes actual commerical breeders of poultry, cattle...etc.

There is not enough money to hire enough inspectors.

I imagine most of the enforcement would be done much like it is here...if you exceed 5 dogs...someone has to report that you own more dogs than this. There isn't some patrol randomly knocking at your door.

That alone is the reason I suspect it will do little to stop backyard breeders....they'll ignore the law.
Hehe! I never actually expected them to attempt random searches, but I would however think they would try to inspect a property when a complaint is filled.
Either way, I'm starting to think this will not work. As others have stated, it will either drive prices of good reputable breeder's pups up and maybe (and this is a sad thought) it might result in a "puppy black market." Which could only make PETA think it was right all along, and who knows what will happen then! But I'm getting ahead of myself.
Back to what I've learned here on YT, EDUCATION! If organizations like PETA focused more on providing education rather than making good guys and bad guys out of people who would like a little fury companion, there would be no need for such ads as the one originally mentioned here.

xxmxaxrxyxx 08-13-2008 11:59 PM
wow that is beyond the lowest of low...there is something seriously wrong with PETA!

ladyj 08-14-2008 04:57 AM
new law
 
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2180575)
Back yard breeders will probably ignore the law. Puppy mills now are already licensed by the government via USDA. They don't have enough inspectors to inspect those now.

I don't like the government to have the authority to say...who may and who may not...receive a permit. Suppose these permits are limited to a certain number. Who gets one then? Who decides there are "enough'...say yorkie breeders or any other specific breed?
Back yard breeders will probably ignore the law. Puppy mills now are already licensed by the government via USDA. They don't have enough inspectors to inspect those now.

This is true. The government dabbles enough in our lives. They are targeting the wrong people, of course.

C C Kent 08-14-2008 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyj (Post 2181149)
Back yard breeders will probably ignore the law. Puppy mills now are already licensed by the government via USDA. They don't have enough inspectors to inspect those now.

This is true. The government dabbles enough in our lives. They are targeting the wrong people, of course.
:yeahthat: It's much easier to make a new rule than to enforce an existing one!


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