Thanks for the reminder of how we are suppose to act and be adults on this forum, and it is for the love of yorkies. I haven't been on much the past few months, a few minutes here and there, and some of the stuff I have read and seen have totally blown me away, what has happened. We are suppose to support each other, yes people will disagree and have there opinion, but to be proud of running people of the forum is crazy, how can you be happy and proud you did it? you just hurt the yorkies by not listening and trying to give advice to change them, so they know whats right, breed standard, and correct with the yorkie breed, now they will never learn, so how can you feel good about that. For newbies asking questions, get off your high horses cause I will bet that when we were just starting out learning about yorkies, we didn't know it all, and I dare say that not to many on YT know it all. One point in time this forum was like a big family, we laughed, cried and supported each other, thats what made it such a great place, and it can be better.
People are just going to have to stand up and help others out. How can rude comments and hurting others feelings benefit YT, it can't, it will only bring it down.
There are some great people on here, new & old, we need to realize that this is a forum about the yorkies and the people that love them. So wake up people and be more compassionate to others.:(

THIS is SO true. For the new folks, please don't ever forget this. There is so much kindness here - and it far outweighs the negativity. :)

LOL...boy if I had a dollar for everytime I've seen that lecture...:p

Trust me, you are not the first to express those same concerns. I think one of the biggest problems is that it's hard to interpret the typed word and many times things are misinterpreted on all sides. I think that 'tact' and 'rudeness' are a matter of opinion and how we each individually interpret things. I also think that many times people get upset when they don't get the support, answers and adivce they want, but instead get the facts they need. Bottom line is, not everyone should breed and not every dog should be bred--that's not opinion, that is fact. If someone truly new to this breed is unaware of that and the risks involved, then IMO they need to be told--it's much better than the alternative. :( I've seen many long time, very accomplished and respected breeders here 'walk' from this forum because they were accused of being "rude" when all they did was give an answer. If it were me and my bitch's life was on the line, I'd rather have someone experienced and knowledgable telling me like it is instead of people just trying to 'be nice to me.'

But alas...this has all been said before, by all sides, all arguments and points stated and made and in the end, it makes NO DIFFERENCE. There are strong opinions here because people are passionate about this breed. (Otherwise none of us would be here! :D) It's unrealistic to expect everyone here to conduct themselves in a manner in which everyone agrees on universally...because no such "manner" exists. (And that would be quite boring, I think.) People DO have a right to express the way they feel and their opinions, regardless to if others like it or not. And if they disagree with something that is posted, they have the choice and right to either express their opinion or ignore the thread. But still, that is their right, hate it or love it. That's just the way it is. If you can't handle differing opinions and strong personalities, then a public internet forum isn't the place for you. I have found that if it starts to really get to you, it's helpful to take a break from YT for a while and focus on something else for a bit, because if you are determined to change the way people react or post or their tone, you are going to be VERY disappointed both on this forum and in life. :)

WOW, great post.... and one of MANY lately...... I hate that it has to be said....

I have been here a long time and stay WAYYY clear of the "brutal" members who feel the need to make others feel small...

BUT, please, please, know that MOST of our YT family are very nice, loving and caring people who just happen to ADORE our babies....

I dont post much, and NEVER get into a negative or highly debated topic, but I do appreciate many people here on YT... there really are some great people on here... just hang around and you will find them!

good luck, and please have a good time!
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I agree with what you are saying. I wish people would be nicer in general, under various circumstances

Everybody has rights. That's the way it should be. There are basic human rights that I believe all are entitled to and one of the most basic is to treat others with dignity and respect, until it comes to a point when they forfeit that right. That can and does happen also.

These people that want to 'teach' can do it in a manner that is civil and I, for one, believe it needs to happen. If a person is incapable of learning they shouldn't be 'teaching'. When you teach by 'shoving it' it isn't a lesson well received or learned. Who wants to learn that way? Most will reject it simply because of the way it is delivered. A sincere desire to teach is not demonstrated by an overbearing rudeness but by actually taking the time to go through the process. Everyone doesn't learn at the same level or pace and that should be taken into consideration. That is, if one truly desires to 'teach'.

Yes. It has all been said before. I hope it will never stop being said. Because I still have a hope that the 'teachers' can also be 'learners' and that is why it needs to be said, yet again. When hope is lost what is there left? We all have a hope that more can be educated regarding how Yorkies should be cared for and treated. If we developed the attitude that it has all been said before and it won't make any difference, why bother to say it over and over again? Why???...because it might just teach one person today. Maybe another tomorrow. It has the potential to actually do some good.

We are a social society. We meet folks in the 'world' every day that are rude and seemingly uncaring. We have a choice of walking away or maybe making them understand that it isn't necessary to be rude to get one's point across. Sometimes the best choice is to just walk away...but not always. I would rather continue to make the effort than to give up on it. If the effort to create change is not made then we have no hope of change. Be it the way folks treat each other or the way folks treat their Yorkies.

So why give up on the people if we don't give up on the Yorkies? :) I believe if only one person finally 'gets it' then it is a betterment acheived. In either area. I also don't think that it means that if you continue to try to make a change, you will just end up disappointed in this forum and in life. Quite contrarily, I believe that when you give up trying is when you become disappointed in life.

Respectfully,

Sammi

I am a relativly new member, and I can honestly say I have had nothing but positive feedback and spport from everyone to my questions and quieries !! A BIG THANKYOU to everyone: !!

That is delightful and I am very glad it is so! Welcome to YT! There is so much information here. I joined when I first began my search for a Yorkie. There are so many on here that are helpful if you have questions about your Yorkie.

I sincerely care for very many of the folks here. They will go out of their way to help and are extremely supportive.

I am usually on late at night and if I can ever help you in any way, please let me know. :)

I have more recently debated on walking away from yt more and more. All due to the way people are treating others. Thankfully I haven't been on the receiving end of the rudeness I have seen. But I also can't stand sit quietly and watch people being torn to pieces over something they didn't know better. It is your right to speak your mind but it is also in society and the bible expected for you treat others with some respect in the begging. Nobody realizes how many hours I am on her on average 8+ a day. Yesterday was 16. Just reading. And some have been downright cruel and cold. Not learning the whole story in situations before jumping on someone. I love reading all of your experiences and joys and sorrows. I love the yorkie breed. But I am tired of people downright being rude.

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Bravo!!!!! Well said!!!

I think you misunderstood...I didn't mean diasppointed if you try to make a change, I meant disappointed if expect to control the way others think, or post, as is the case here. Big difference between making a change and trying to control others. :) If you expect everyone to fit one mold and conform to one way of responding, then yes, you are bound for disappointment, cause it ain't gonna happen, nor should it. People don't lose their "rights" to expressing the way they feel just because others don't like their point of view or the way it was expressed.:rolleyes: Furthermore, who's "right" is it to make that call? Again, civilty is a matter or perception.

Has this all been said before? Yes
Will it be said again? Yes
Is there any reason why these concerns shouldn't be said again? Nope, not if someone truly feels strongly about it.

My point was, is it likely that it will magically "change" the situation? Nope, no more than the dozen other times it's been stated. But again, if it will open up ONE person's mind a little, then it's not a loss.:thumbup:

Personally, I would be very discouraged if people stopped showing the passion they have for Yorkies here. I respect anyone who takes the time to give adivce and help others out...regardless of how the information is delivered. And like you have pointed out, if only 1 person "gets it" then it was not a loss and something was achieved.

And this is all generally speaking, not addressed at anyone in particular...

I'm a bit confused. :confused: Are you saying that those who come here 'just starting out' shouldn't be taught aspects like breed standards, the ins and outs of breeding, etc? I don't get that statement, but I may just be misreading it. :)

You are right! No one started off knowing everything. And I've never seen anyone here or elsewhere claim that they officially know everything there is to know and can't possibly learn anymore. Even breeders that have been learning 30+ years still learn new aspects daily and will be the first to admit that. But at the same time, if someone does have knowledge that others will benefit from, then it should be shared. Not because anyone is on their "high horse" or thinks that they are superior to others, but because they may actually have something to say that will help.:thumbup:

This is a great post!!! Everyone needs to remember that at one time none of us knew the information we do now. And rather than be rude and self-righteous, your words can be courteous and helpful without being sugar coated. It is about treating others as you wish to be treated - plain and simple.

Exactly my point. :)

I'm not saying don't share your thoughts your wisdom or trying "control" anyone... I'm saying give that wisdom with a little grace and tact. How much does a child learn when they are being scolded and treated meanly all the time? Nothing. BUT change your tone of voice, the way you present it,and they learn with great depth. The same goes for all of us. We are all people,and when you start treating people so rude an so mean it affects all of us, I for one do not wish to be stereotyped as a rude harsh or even cruel person simply because I have a Yorkie.. what does that do "for the breed?"

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Brittany - have you been reporting things you see as cruel and/or that are breaking the rules? Do you know where the "report" icon is on your screen (lower left, it's a triangle with a ! in it)? If you see something that concerns you, please report it - and at least we can take a look and see if it's violating the YT rules. I try to look at a lot of threads, but it's just impossible to keep up w/ all of them - so if you see something inappropriate, do report it. :)

I completely agree!!!! I had no idea pet stores were bad! Plus I thought I was rescuing Chewy..she was 4 months old and still in the store.. the only other yorkies there were 8-9 weeks...I didnt think they would keep her much longer... poor kid suffered for 4 months but I hope she doesnt remember being locked up and just knows life as being a spoiled queen with a servant (me) who is always at her beck and call.. lol I have no regrets but sometimes feel like people look down on it.

Thanks for speaking up!

I'm so glad to read this post. I'm fairly new here too. While I have had fun sharing my experiences with roxie and learning allot from others...there was a thread the other day that really got to me. I wasn't sure how to say something without offending anyone. I felt so bad for the girl who's puppy got hit by a car and the last thing she needed was for anyone to scold her for not having the pup on a leash. It was an accident and she felt horrible enough without someone giving their condolences then jumping on her. I couldn't believe my eyes! I was also embarrassed to admit I had a store bought pup because I fell in complete love with her at first sight and didn't know anything about puppy mills at the time. Other than that I really have had a great time reading and learning from this great group of people. Thank you YT!

Don't stress my first puppy came from a puppy mill and I had no idea about them. It was the first dog we had ever bought. All the dogs I had growing up came to us free. Hubby had never even owned a puppy! We all learn from our experiences.

No thats not what I said and you may need to read it again. I said if we run off all the new people that are trying to breed, wrong or not, if we don't help educate them in the right manner, the yorkies are the ones that get hurt in the end.
Everyone has to learn things but its the manner in which they post is very condescending and they leave.

So both of you have experiences that will help you to teach others about the dangers of buying from places that don't have the best interest of the puppies at heart and are only all about the money. But who better to teach than those who have been down that road already and know the perils and pitfalls?

I also believe that both of you would be able to teach it in a manner that would be well received instead of resentd and that's what's needed most. It's rather hard to educate someone after they have gone out the door and shut it behind them?

So I hope to see both of you posting to the others that may be sonsidering this avenue and by sharing your experiences, you may save someone heartache.

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I hate typos! Just cleaning up after myself. :p

I'm fairly new here also and have seen people respond in a fashion that I consider rude. How can you teach someone about anything if you do so in a manner that immediately puts them on the defense. This is not right. I have some questions about breeding and would like professional and helpful information, but after reading some of the responses, I don't feel like being attacked. Granted, there are by far more helpful members who genuinely want to help, but it is the few who respond with that attack tone. You know what I mean: you should have know, what did you expect, what were you thinking...the list goes on. No one needs this type of response.

I belong to several other forums and have yet to experience this behavior to this extent. Come on members, let really educate in a polite and welcoming manner.

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Well said!

I have been here a little while, and this is how i feel. :aimeeyork YT members are very passionent about the breed. They will have strong feelings about subject matter and have the right to express their concerns, and offer feedback. I believe too many people take feedback personally, where as it is only advice shared. People need to step back and look at it from a different perspective. :aimeeyork
I am uncertain as to what "rude" posters mean. I see no cursing, or nasty remarks that are directly attacking anyone. Administration does step in and will close a thread when needed. Knowledge is power, and I believe newbies come on here sometimes thinking that they will always get people to agree and support them. That is not going to always happen on here.
Newbies become very offended quickly and then shoot off their mouths sometimes, making it worse. I have seen that happen many times. Many times, they are the ones to get angry because they do not like what others have to say. AND do not want anyone to disagree with them.
Don't take it personally and everything would be fine. :aimeeyork

II'm sorry, but I just joined and I already know what everyone here is talking about. I think it's rather funny that you refer to new people as "newbies" when you just joined in May 2008. Just because you've posted over 800 times this does not make you an expert. "Newbies" become offended because of the mannerism in which people respond to them. Passion does not equal rudeness. As far as the newbies shooting off their mouth they have every right to do so when someone who believes himself/herself to be an expert makes them feel like dirt and being attacked. Would you take nonsense from someone on the street if they spoke to you in this manner? I don't think so! You'd probably slap them upside the head. This is no different. All people here are saying that members can be great teachers and wonderful sources of information without being self righteous. Geez, I can't believe my first post is about defending us "newbies".:(

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