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roxies_mom 07-24-2008 05:26 AM

I also laughed at the corkscrew thing!! I wonder if you could kind of watch and see if the owners are ever outside and maybe just casually walk by and happen to notice they have a Yorkie and so do you etc. Try to just be able to strike up a conversation with them and see how that goes. You might be able to get more insight on how they feel about the dog or the situation without making enemies. Knowing a few facts before re-acting can't hurt.

BaileyGates 07-24-2008 06:15 AM

Could you not write them a letter letting them know your a little worried, letting them know you have noticed they have gave the yorkie water and shade which is good but ask them if they did not know that a yorkie should not be out in the hot sun that long? Do not put who the letter is from and maybe you could post it my mail so thay dont see u popping it through the letter box haha!! Maybe this will wake them up alittle in a friendly way letting them know you can see the good things they have done but maybe they didnt know you cant leave a yorkie out that long and it opens there eyes that people have noticed with out gettin animal control on to them? just an idea hehe!! good luck keep us updated :D

ctvol 07-24-2008 07:21 PM

Update
 
I saw the dog out there three times late this afternoon and evening. The first time I went by it was wondering in that figure eight motion with its tongue hanging out. I went back by twenty minutes later and it was doing the same. I then went back my an hour and a half later and still the same. I can't believe the little guy has that much energy even if it is a Yorki! I am still concerned and I think I will wait until Saturday when I am not working and can monitor the situation and call animal control when I see it out there. Hopefully they will talk to them and maybe they will start keeping it inside more. I will let everyone know what happens! Thanks!

mscorgi 07-25-2008 07:57 PM

I am going to say something that all of you well intended people won't want to hear. But your yorkies are couch potatoes. Of course they pant, when you get them outside.
They lay around all day in the air conditioner. I am not saying that what these people are doing is right. But remember your farm history. Animals need exercise. Some like to be outside and need to expell energy. I have a 2 1/2 lbs male yorkie, that goes outside with me every morning to do chores. I am outside 3-4 hours. He is with me the whole time. Summer, winter and in between. Today it was 85 here. I had a hard time getting him to come into the house. He wanted to stay out side. As we are on a farm and way off of the road, it is safe for him to be out. We do Agility with the dogs. Even in the summer evening heat, we go to lessons and practice. Some of those little , yorkies, poms, poodles, boarder collies, have a ball. Remember not all people were raised in town , where things are restricted. Some people are still living back at our long ago roots. Maybe we need to try to experience those things again. I know that you all didn't want to hear this, after getting all up set over this yorkie. Just my opinion.

yorkiesmiles 07-25-2008 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mscorgi (Post 2138644)
I am going to say something that all of you well intended people won't want to hear. But your yorkies are couch potatoes. Of course they pant, when you get them outside.
They lay around all day in the air conditioner. I am not saying that what these people are doing is right. But remember your farm history. Animals need exercise. Some like to be outside and need to expell energy. I have a 2 1/2 lbs male yorkie, that goes outside with me every morning to do chores. I am outside 3-4 hours. He is with me the whole time. Summer, winter and in between. Today it was 85 here. I had a hard time getting him to come into the house. He wanted to stay out side. As we are on a farm and way off of the road, it is safe for him to be out. We do Agility with the dogs. Even in the summer evening heat, we go to lessons and practice. Some of those little , yorkies, poms, poodles, boarder collies, have a ball. Remember not all people were raised in town , where things are restricted. Some people are still living back at our long ago roots. Maybe we need to try to experience those things again. I know that you all didn't want to hear this, after getting all up set over this yorkie. Just my opinion.

No dog deserves to be on a chain, left in the heat. When an animal is showing anxiety this is a huge problem!! This man is trying to help a pup with anxiety in extreme heat - not some couch potato

In my opinion - your comments are way out of line here. We are trying to help this man and this dear yorkie. Not justify why someone would tie up a dog

We don't need to go back to roots -- when people know better, they should do better - not regress!!

neceedee 07-25-2008 08:37 PM

I would be tempted to go get him and take him in my home, then when they return, take him to them and tell them he was very hot, and you was concerned about him. Maybe suggest if they are interested in rehoming him..

BlondeYorkieMom 07-25-2008 08:57 PM

People know what they are willing to do. Some people would take the dog, some people would not. But it is pointless to begin talking to them, and then take the dog. Since it's Tennessee and I don't know what these neighbors are like, I don't think its fair to give advice. If it was me, I'd offer to watch the dog during the day so it doesn't have to be outside (and they might just decide they don't want it anyway). Unless they are scary rednecks in which case I would just CONSTANTLY call animal control! I grew up in Atlanta and understand that some people are stuck in the mindset of "ME PERSON, HIM DOG. DOGS STAY OUTSIDE, DOGS ARE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS" (Half of my family still live in the south, that was not meant to be a mean generalization. My sister calls me all the time with stories like this about her neighbors :mad:)

Some people don't understand YORKIES ARE NOT DOGS.....
They are little furry children :p
Good Luck!

YorkieShadow 07-25-2008 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscorgi (Post 2138644)
I am going to say something that all of you well intended people won't want to hear. But your yorkies are couch potatoes. Of course they pant, when you get them outside.
They lay around all day in the air conditioner. I am not saying that what these people are doing is right. But remember your farm history. Animals need exercise. Some like to be outside and need to expell energy. I have a 2 1/2 lbs male yorkie, that goes outside with me every morning to do chores. I am outside 3-4 hours. He is with me the whole time. Summer, winter and in between. Today it was 85 here. I had a hard time getting him to come into the house. He wanted to stay out side. As we are on a farm and way off of the road, it is safe for him to be out. We do Agility with the dogs. Even in the summer evening heat, we go to lessons and practice. Some of those little , yorkies, poms, poodles, boarder collies, have a ball. Remember not all people were raised in town , where things are restricted. Some people are still living back at our long ago roots. Maybe we need to try to experience those things again. I know that you all didn't want to hear this, after getting all up set over this yorkie. Just my opinion.

My Yorkies love it out side, But I only let them out only with me no more then 15 minutes at a time in the heat. I also live on a farm and we are way back from the road. But they are still not safe to be out side there are hawks, owls, fox coyotes. Not safe at all. My sons dog got out of the kennel thats where he would put him when he let him out to potty, and just to be out for awhile he was a boxer mix. he got out of his kennel even thou we lived way back from the road, he chanced it but he never made it across. RIP sweet Baby, another stray came here we feed ,it was small and ran lose we found it frooze in the pond where it had walked across the ice and it cracked. no one was home at the time. So No Im sorry I dont agree no small dog is safe out side when not being watched winter or summer. and No small dog should be on a chain period.

YorkieShadow 07-25-2008 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctvol (Post 2136059)
I saw the dog out there three times late this afternoon and evening. The first time I went by it was wondering in that figure eight motion with its tongue hanging out. I went back by twenty minutes later and it was doing the same. I then went back my an hour and a half later and still the same. I can't believe the little guy has that much energy even if it is a Yorki! I am still concerned and I think I will wait until Saturday when I am not working and can monitor the situation and call animal control when I see it out there. Hopefully they will talk to them and maybe they will start keeping it inside more. I will let everyone know what happens! Thanks!

Yes please do keep checking on this little one , I agree the figure eight motion shows he seems to be showing anxiety issues. he does not need to be on a chain and or in this heat. I would call someone soon an dhave the little guy checked out. he needs someone to step in and help him out.

Lovely05 07-26-2008 02:28 AM

Yorkie Talk is a forum where people can openly discuss issues that concern Yorkshire Terriers. I joined this forum to learn more about this breed and to meet people who love dogs. I decided to visit this thread again to find out what happen to the dog. I noticed someone called me stupid because of the suggestion I offered to ctvol. We can disagree without attacking someone that provided a different suggestion. I suggested the neighbor talk to the owner before calling the Humane Society. Also, I did mention if the neighbors were hostile people then just call the Humane Society. Sometimes people do inappropriate things out of ignorance. We cannot steal someone else's dog because we do not like how they choose to raise their dog. All around the world people treat dogs differently based on how they value dogs in their society. The only way to stop the abuse of animals is to educate people.

linsvs 07-26-2008 02:52 AM

I think the words STUPID, IGNORANT, HEARTLESS, NON CARING should be bleeped out when anyone uses them on this site. People use them way to much. This thread is all about helping a little one and should remain that way .. I hope a solution is found soon and I hope this thread doesnt get closed.EVERYONE in this thread is truly interested in the well being of this little thing..

Lovely05 07-26-2008 03:35 AM

Calling people stupid is nice and good behavior. I did not call anyone on this board ignorant.

Lovely05 07-26-2008 04:07 AM

I agree. Calling people stupid, ignorant, heartless, and non caring should be bleeped out. Also, I think sickco should be added to the list. I think this site should be about helping and informing people about the care of the little ones that should be the upmost concern. I was misquoted. I never called anyone ignorant. I said people do things out of ignorance. I did not say confront someone over the mistreatment of a dog. I think you should inform someone on the proper way to take care of an animal without being demeaning and maybe create a bond between two Yorkie lovers for the best care of the little ones.

KNoelleV 07-26-2008 04:23 AM

I went by the home yesterday and saw the little Yorkie. I will post part of what I wrote to ctvol in an e-mail.

Well, we drove by and saw the little one. I did notice another dog that is a large breed that was outside, un tied just laying down near their shed/garage. I then saw the little Yorkie. That is definitely a Yorkie. He/She was laying down when we drove by, so we did not see any movement. We did notice the steal chain that is dangling from a tree/line that he/she is tied to. We also saw the 2 buckets they have out for I assume water and food. However, these buckets are way too big for the little one to get into. I did notice that 1 bucket was tipped over with it looks like nothing coming out. Is this what you have witnessed?

We did see the igloo, however, my main concern is that with the chain, how is he/she able to go completely inside the igloo for protection and comfort? From first glance, the situation did not look that bad, however, the more we analyzed everything (the buckets, chain, how he/she would get into the igloo) we realized the situation is a little rougher than we thought. I am unsure why they tie him up, but leave the larger dog free. I also do not understand why they would take in a small dog and tie him/her up outside, either.

If you feel comfortable, I would suggest maybe an anonymous letter stating/suggesting some things (politely of course) on how to maybe make the situation a bit better with supplying some information on the Yorkie breed.

--I then offered that if the situation was to not improve or get worse, he could call Animal Control. The situation was not 'terrible' so to say. It just looked a bit off as I do not understand why the dog cannot stay indoors. Any added advice would be great! :)

Morkie1 07-26-2008 04:27 AM

I don't understand why people get pets then treat them so deplorably! A long time ago, I stole a dog that live in conditions even worse that the ones you described. I knew stealing was wrong and illegal, but the treatment of this animal was a worse sin. Tiki lived a great life with our family for 14 yrs. I think God for game me.

Philly 07-26-2008 04:37 AM

I would try to educate the owners about the dangers of putting a little one outside tied up and not supervised. If that didn't work, I would take him. He belongs inside.

I don't understand why anyone would get a Yorkie and treat it as an outside dog. They have "hardy" personalities, not hardy consititutions. Not to mention the thought of predators. He is much too vulnerable right now.

Chrissy0277 07-26-2008 05:52 AM

You can always send an anonymous letter to the owner of the dog through Dogs Deserve Better Home: No Chained Dogs! I did this before and had letters sent to the owners of the dogs. It helped somewhat. They ended up getting rid of one of the dogs. I couldnt save both but at least it helped one more dog :(

Email DDB and ask them to send a letter or sometimes even better they sometimes get an area rep to go out to the house and talk to them

info@dogsdeservebetter.org

ctvol 07-26-2008 05:54 AM

KNoelleV, I appreciate you coming by and seeing what I was talking about. I am concerned about the large buckets also which are way too tall for the dog to get food or water from if that is what they are for. I did see the dog on the line when I left work yesterday morning and then late in the afternoon on my way home. There is no doubt that it stays out there a long time. I'm sure these dogs are tougher than a lot of us are giving them credit for but I am only going by how I treat my dog as opposed to how this one is being treated. Many dogs are tied to chains but that is no life for any animal in my opinion.

The fact is that I see the Yorkie out there just about every day and its always right there in my face and I can't put it out of my mind. I still think that calling animal control and at least having them give the people a visit is one way to anonymously get the word to them that someone thinks that they are leaving a small inside do outside in the heat for way too long and that they are also concerned about it having to get food and water out of those buckets. Maybe if they get a visit and know that someone is watching then they will start to take better care of it. It's just a thought! I may do something about it today. I'll check back in later.

KNoelleV 07-26-2008 05:59 AM

Chrissy: That is a wonderful idea! Thank you for providing the link to the website. :)

Chrissy0277 07-26-2008 06:00 AM

I cant beleive I didnt think of it sooner

mscorgi 07-26-2008 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiesmiles (Post 2138713)
No dog deserves to be on a chain, left in the heat. When an animal is showing anxiety this is a huge problem!! This man is trying to help a pup with anxiety in extreme heat - not some couch potato

In my opinion - your comments are way out of line here. We are trying to help this man and this dear yorkie. Not justify why someone would tie up a dog

We don't need to go back to roots -- when people know better, they should do better - not regress!!

I do not think that I said any thing out of line. I don't know why you took it so personal. I did not point it at any one, just generalizing. I did mention my self. I did not suggest that , that yorkie was a couch potato. I did say maybe he needed to let off energy. Maybe let outside he runs off, They don't want to watch him. Guessing does not help out here. And going back to our foundations doesn't hurt any one. Living in an enviroment where animal husbandtry has been forgotten isn't good for future generations. We all dont live in citys , around black top, concrete, and little nature around us. I love my animals dearly. I just don't like to judge someone with out knowing the circumstances first. You can write back what you want. I will not subscribe to this topic any more, as I don't feel like this is what the yorkie forum is about. Starting a disagreement with a fellow yorkie lover.

yorkiesmiles 07-26-2008 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscorgi (Post 2139188)
I do not think that I said any thing out of line. I don't know why you took it so personal. I did not point it at any one, just generalizing. I did mention my self. I did not suggest that , that yorkie was a couch potato. I did say maybe he needed to let off energy. Maybe let outside he runs off, They don't want to watch him. Guessing does not help out here. And going back to our foundations doesn't hurt any one. Living in an enviroment where animal husbandtry has been forgotten isn't good for future generations. We all dont live in citys , around black top, concrete, and little nature around us. I love my animals dearly. I just don't like to judge someone with out knowing the circumstances first. You can write back what you want. I will not subscribe to this topic any more, as I don't feel like this is what the yorkie forum is about. Starting a disagreement with a fellow yorkie lover.

You're the one that started the disagreement - you said you knew you would upset/offend people. You gave your opinion -- I gave mine. That is what yorkietalk is about.

Also, I don't like hijacking someone else's thread.

Personally, my yorkies are outside a lot more than most. My female would live out there if I would let her on nice days. I have a fenced yard in the city. She's safe out there when I'm home.

No little dog should be tied to a chain for a number of reasons and this what this thread is about. If you're leaving your yorkies chained on your property than your part of the problem too. :thumbdown

roxies_mom 07-26-2008 09:36 AM

I do feel for this yorkie if it's just left out and no one is checking on it or home all day long. How big do you think this yorkie is? If it's as small as roxie I can't imagine leaving her chained out all day by herself. But my daughter has a husky that has to be chained when outside. She'll bolt and could end up on the highway or get into some sort of trouble, she's a runner she loves to run. But when she's out she wears a tracking devise and she has access to plenty of fresh water (I even put ice in it during the day) and food. She can go in and out of the garage and we run a fan in the garage for circulation. But I'm also home during the day so if she starts stirring around I'm here and go check on her. If I leave then she's inside and not left out. If it's too hot we bring her in frequently to cool off. She's pretty content outside and doesn't mind the leash, it's long and she can get around quite a distance. Depending on the circumstances the animal has is weather or not it's cruel. I also remember one time when hubby had an English Pointer that would run and run and run and just chase birds all the live long day. He was for a specific purpose and was quite difficult to train other then for hunting so he was kenneled alot of the time. Well a neighbor thought we "kept him in a box" in the garage and called animal control on us. They came out and observed the situation and said there was nothing wrong with what we were doing. They also said that some folks have a hard time with the kennel training ideas. All I'm saying is I agree for a small dog it's not a good idea to leave them out all day alone. Every animal that is domesticated should have proper care that suits the breed. Hope I'm not rambling too much just wanted to share a few thoughts.
If there's a concern for this small dog, just call animal controll and let them check it out.

ash0248 07-26-2008 11:19 AM

Not trying to be ugly so dont take this wrong but, if you think this is a bad situation GO TALK TO THE PEOPLE. Dont let it go on another day. They may be doing the best they can and need a little help. Dont call anyone, go talk to the people. If they are decent and you can do something to help, great. If not then call somebody and report them. But stop talking about it and do something. Time is wasting.

DONNADEE 07-26-2008 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ash0248 (Post 2139628)
Not trying to be ugly so dont take this wrong but, if you think this is a bad situation GO TALK TO THE PEOPLE. Dont let it go on another day. They may be doing the best they can and need a little help. Dont call anyone, go talk to the people. If they are decent and you can do something to help, great. If not then call somebody and report them. But stop talking about it and do something. Time is wasting.

I agree, i suggest if not a busy highway to park around the corner and walk your yorkie and stop by and that you saw there yorkie and wanted to talk about your babies and they way you can open a conversation with out them thinking your a threat. just a suggetion.


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