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hviola 07-17-2008 08:36 AM
Pet-Abuse.Com - Animal Abuse Case Details: Breeder in violation of AWA - 93 dogs, 25 pups - Hulbert, OK (US)

crystalsmom 07-17-2008 09:14 AM
Sorry, when I tried to report the site it was only if we thought they were using it to get info from us.

I will try to contact someone to remove my previous post.

cesar49 07-17-2008 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyPeanutAbbyGra (Post 2119299)
Robert & Starmye Halpain, Hulbert, Oklahoma, USDA# 73-A-1408

- (6/11/2003) Disposal and drainage systems must minimize vermin and pest infestation, insects, odors, and disease hazard. All drains must be properly constructed, installed, and maintained. West kennel south end dog waste running out on the ground under the kennel. Drain pipes broke loose from wash down upper and lower outside runs on west side of kennel .Real strong odor on the south end of kennel .This is a disease hazard and insect odor problems.

- (10/10/2002) Outdoor facilities for dogs or cats must include one or more shelter structures that are accessible to each animal in each outdoor facility. East kennel pole barn 4 dog pens 13 dogs these dogs have no houses at this time.

- (9/27/2000) Animal Inventory - Adult breeding dogs - 93, Puppies 25.

From this website:
http://www.stopwizardofclaws.com/Breeder_Violation.html

ALSO SEARCH THIS BOARD FOR Starmye Halpain.

Adult breeding dogs 93!
How do you take care of 93 adult dogs? You cannot! This woman has got to be stopped! She has to! What can we do to help Maxi? What can we do to put a stop to this puppy milling greedy $!#@#?
GIARDIA AND COCCIDIA AND KENNEL COUGH :eek:
you are right.
they need to be stopped
ulimate pets
ultimate puppies
how can that nice looking
family be so evil?
looks are totally decieving.
this must be the husbands full time job
probably paying for their lifestyle off the lives of those poor animals
\isnt there a law against selling sick puppies?
i think they could be shut down for spreading communicable diseases
they need to go to jail
the parents need to be locked in a cage
a hot one

xxmxaxrxyxx 07-17-2008 12:54 PM
so sorry for what you are going thru and we can only learn from our mistake...btw Welcome to Yt...

MaxwellHouse 07-17-2008 03:58 PM
After reading all of the posts, my heart goes out to you. I hope you take the advice and not bother with a lawyer - that guy was trying to scare you. Like you don't have enough on your plate. I fell in love with a dog in a photo, too. Hope you have many years with the angel you ended up adopting. My sympathies about your loss of your daughter-in-law. Hugs and welcome!

nudiva37 07-17-2008 04:09 PM
My baby to you...
 
Maxi,
After reading your story. I have a Yorkie named Bently she is going to be at least 10 lbs and she is playful and happy...
My heart breaks after reading your story and I know she is healthy and happy... You may have her for your family...She is so full of love...
She is my Happy Happy Joy Joy Puppy...
If you need her for your family... PM me....your story is just heart breaking...
Hopefully you can rehabilitate the one you have, but if not you may have my Bentley to help put a smile on those grandchildren's face...
:fallen:
That Breeder just breaks my heart...

sammiz 07-17-2008 04:37 PM
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This issue has totally captivated my attention. I think these breeders are a puppy mill. I also have looked extensively at the images of the puppies and believe it might be the same one. Just that when the photo on the website was taken it was before the puppy became so ill.

I am posting these images below. I do photo restoration and old, old photos are sometimes have to have the 'color' restored as well. I have used one of my programs to take some of the 'blueness' out of the sick puppy image and it is 'more like' in color with the original photo from the website (which is the work of a professional photographer).

Just like humans, when gravely ill, there is a marked change in the appearance. Please view the image below and tell me if you think it might be the same puppy....just gravely ill.

Nancy1999 07-17-2008 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sammiz (Post 2120510)
This issue has totally captivated my attention. I think these breeders are a puppy mill. I also have looked extensively at the images of the puppies and believe it might be the same one. Just that when the photo on the website was taken it was before the puppy became so ill.

I am posting these images below. I do photo restoration and old, old photos are sometimes have to have the 'color' restored as well. I have used one of my programs to take some of the 'blueness' out of the sick puppy image and it is 'more like' in color with the original photo from the website (which is the work of a professional photographer).

Just like humans, when gravely ill, there is a marked change in the appearance. Please view the image below and tell me if you think it might be the same puppy....just gravely ill.
Anything is possible, but it is more common than not that these websites pose puppies in cute outfits and use the same pictures over and over, and act like the person is getting one particular puppy. It takes time to take these pictures, why not just use the same ones over an over? Even the breeder said that wasn't the same puppy, and maybe it was "switched" at the airport. The two puppies don't look the same to me because the first picture which should be the youngest has much bigger ears than in the second picture. In addition the coloring looks different as well as the shape of the eyes.

nudiva37 07-17-2008 04:52 PM
eyes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2120539)
Anything is possible, but it is more common than not that these websites pose puppies in cute outfits and use the same pictures over and over, and act like the person is getting one particular puppy. It takes time to take these pictures, why not just use the same ones over an over? Even the breeder said that wasn't the same puppy, and maybe it was "switched" at the airport. The two puppies don't look the same to me because the first picture which should be the youngest has much bigger ears than in the second picture. In addition the coloring looks different as well as the shape of the eyes.
The eyes look more oval or round to me... I wasn't sure...but I think they look different.

jadecomputergal 07-17-2008 04:56 PM
I agree completely
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2120539)
Anything is possible, but it is more common than not that these websites pose puppies in cute outfits and use the same pictures over and over, and act like the person is getting one particular puppy. It takes time to take these pictures, why not just use the same ones over an over? Even the breeder said that wasn't the same puppy, and maybe it was "switched" at the airport. The two puppies don't look the same to me because the first picture which should be the youngest has much bigger ears than in the second picture. In addition the coloring looks different as well as the shape of the eyes.
Just the fact that the breeder suggested that the airline switched the puppies is both suspicious and asinine. I keep up with all sorts of animal issues, and I haven't read of any conspiracies where airlines are switching puppies. I didn't think about it this morning because I was so tired from being in the ER all night, but I agree with an earlier poster than Maxi should contact the airline. Since the breeder put that in an e-mail (if I'm remembering correctly), that's considered libel, so the airline might take some interest in this and scare the crap out of this guy themselves. Even better, maybe they'll actually sue him. I know I would.

sammiz 07-17-2008 05:13 PM
I wasn't trying to salvage the rep of the breeder in any way, believe me! I think they should be shut down and if this puppy is in fact a different puppy....as the vet did state...I would sue them for bait and switch. Also the point about blaming it on the airlines is a good one.

The laws governing internet businesses is still going through change, but this would be an interstate fraud case that the FBI may be interested in. I would at least present it. I do realize that for all that is on the plate of the owner of this puppy, this may be a very difficult battle given the circumstances. I wish I were a lawyer. I would take it on in a heartbeat. Pro bono.

To bad you can't sue someone for not having a caring heart.

My heart is aching for this family.

bchgirl 07-17-2008 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nudiva37 (Post 2120451)
Maxi,
After reading your story. I have a Yorkie named Bently she is going to be at least 10 lbs and she is playful and happy...
My heart breaks after reading your story and I know she is healthy and happy... You may have her for your family...She is so full of love...
She is my Happy Happy Joy Joy Puppy...
If you need her for your family... PM me....your story is just heart breaking...
Hopefully you can rehabilitate the one you have, but if not you may have my Bentley to help put a smile on those grandchildren's face...
:fallen:
That Breeder just breaks my heart...
That's a heartwarming and loving gesture. Restores faith in mankindl....or womankind. :p

nudiva37 07-17-2008 06:23 PM
awh... it is sincere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2120601)
That's a heartwarming and loving gesture. Restores faith in mankindl....or womankind. :p
That breeder really breaks my heart for this family...this was the last thing they need.:thankyou2

sammiz 07-17-2008 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2120601)
That's a heartwarming and loving gesture. Restores faith in mankindl....or womankind. :p
Ditto that. Are you a breeder?

nudiva37 07-17-2008 06:37 PM
I am a comitted beginner...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sammiz (Post 2120760)
Ditto that. Are you a breeder?
I had my first litter of the spoiled and pamper crew... My babies stay healthy and shots up to date and vet on call...
I can't make a profit, because they spend all momma's money...
I live for them...they are my kids... they give me something special to do with my time... I am breaking my neck to stay within the standards...and it is hard...with all the details... whew I have to start all over after joining this forum... I have learned so much....:yay_jump:


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