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jrsygal37 07-12-2008 05:53 PM

Something is not right.
 
I'm having a problem and I'm wondering if anyone else had had similiar. Jersey is over a year old and she is different then any other Yorkie I've had. Since we got her at 10 weeks she just has not been right. First of all, when she first came to me she was like a fural cat, had hardly any hair and was always cold and she had trouble eating. She was always afraid. She would gobble her food and run and hide after. I chalked that up to where she was at and that maybe she had to fend for herself. Over time the food thing got better and she also got better with letting us pick her up etc. She for the most part is very good with us (meaning myself, hubby and two kids and our other Yorkies) but she will try to bite or attack anyone that comes into our home so we have to gate her.

She also is weird in that she is anti social. All the girls like to sleep with me or be near me. Jersey like to be off by herself. She does not sleep with anyone and growls if anyone goes near her. Lately she has been getting veyr aggressive. She for no reason will growl and snap at Lilly. Also the other night she decided to lay up on our bed and hubby came and and said move over Jersey and she growled at him. He yelled and told her don't you growl at me and went to pick her up to move her and she bit him. I went to pick her up and tell her no and she bit me. Now, today she for no reason just started snapping and growling and I went to pick her up and was bitten twice. Not hard she's only 5 pounds but we do not know why this is happening. She almos seems to not know what she is doing because after she just looks at me and licks me lik nothing happened.

She's vetted, well cared for, always plenty of food and loved - my girls are my babies. This is nothing we are causing. Believe me. And, I just don't know what to do. We could never rehome her because she would never go with anyone and honestly she is not suitable for any home.

I'm wondering if there is somehting wrong in her brain. I've discussed some of th eissues with the vet and he says that it's just her personality but I am convinced that somethin has to be wrong. Also she was always socialized as a pup but like I said she was very skiddish and the best way to describe her is she's just plain crazy.

Has anyone had issues like this and if so were they caused by something medical. I am really a wreck. I love my girls and my heart says soemthing is wrong with her. hubby is wearing thin and is afraid she will hurt one of the kids or one of the girls and told me in his oppinion she should be put down but I cannot do that but just don't know what to do. Elaine

khyorkies 07-12-2008 05:58 PM

I hope someone can give you some advice.

Good luck with your baby!!!

aka_yorkie_mama 07-12-2008 05:58 PM

wow
 
wow that sounds horrible ... I know diffrent lines have diffrent temperments but this sounds like ... a mental issues ... do you know her breeder .. was her first 8 weeks reared right .. was she line bred or inbreed I do know the first 8 weeks are extreemly important to pups ... no matter the cause I hope this works out for you and your family I wish we had a trainer State side for the it Me or the dog show ..outside help may be needed we will be thinking of you

Little Bit 07-12-2008 06:05 PM

I am sorry you are having such trouble. I don't know if it is but sometimes vaccines can cause this, especially rabies. You might want to try a homeopathic vet or if it is not medical a behavior specialist.

jp4m2 07-12-2008 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Bit (Post 2108951)
I am sorry you are having such trouble. I don't know if it is but sometimes vaccines can cause this, especially rabies. You might want to try a homeopathic vet or if it is not medical a behavior specialist.

:thumbup::thumbup:I'm not saying that this is what's wrong with your yorkie but it is a possibility.....I've read this a lot about the rabies vaccine, among other vaccines....researchers claim the rabies shot can bring on the very behavior that you would see in a rabid animal....aggression, not wanting to be touched,epilepsy, seizures etc.....I have seen quite a few threads on this forum where the poster is claiming their dogs personality had changed to be aggressive, but they never connect the change in behavior to the vaccine....

Just do a search on "overvaccination" and start reading......

jrsygal37 07-12-2008 06:32 PM

Thanks guys. I do not have info. on the breeder but know she's not good. Jersey did not have a good start and I chalked a lot of earlier behaviors such as the skiddishness to that but she should have been out of it by now. I did some research and came up with something called Rage Syndrome. It's found in some cockers but also in terriers. I'm sure a lot of this has to do with bad breeding - in breeding possibly but they say Rage Syndrome is not prevetable and it's the way the brain has developed. Jersey has all the symptoms of it. Right down to it occuring more so at night. We call it the witching hour. She also likes to hide in corners and has the glazed out of it look when she gets like this then after she is gentle and loving. Some of what I read have also sugggested that research has shown that this is caused by food allergies. Now, Jersey does have allergies. I am constantly cleaning black sludge out of her ears which the vet said is caused by allergies. I'm going to talk to the vet on Monday. From what I've read there is nothing that can be done if it is Rage Syndrome except try medication and if not they suggest putting the dog down as they are unpredictable and dangerous. I just don't think that is something I'm able to do but at the same time do not know what to do. She is a good girl and very loving with us UNTIL she snaps. Then she is someone we don't recognize and she does not even realize when she is like that. Elaine

jrsygal37 07-12-2008 06:36 PM

This is what I found on rage syndrome and this describes Jersey to a T. Right down to the night thing and sleeping in corners by herself. It is found mainly in Cockers but I guess Yorkies could also get it too.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/ragesyndr...nda%20Ward.pdf

grandmatoall 07-12-2008 06:36 PM

Praying for a good outcome and an answer to her problems. Hugs.

Patti 07-12-2008 06:42 PM

What you are describing is exactly like my pom. Maya is 11 years old and has bitten me several times. She use to stay under my bed all the time and if I tried to get her out she would snarl like a possessed demon and bite me if I tried to out my hand under the bed. I can't clean her eye gook with out her snapping at me. Only since I brought other dogs into the house has she slept on my bed She has never bitten the other dogs and seems better since I have the other dogs now. When I take her to the vet she is good as gold, will let me and them touch her do anything. I would never have rehomed her since I knew most people wouldn't put up with it and I love her. She can also jump in my lap and kiss me too.She will growl at the others if they are bothering her but nothing more. I just figured she was a pet shop buy and I thought maybe the pom personality was so different than the yorkies I was use to. I never knew how to change her. She went to obedience class and can be off leash and never leave our property, she is very smart but when she doesn't want to be bothered she snaps. I know how you feel.

Bloomingtails 07-12-2008 06:43 PM

How sad for you and Jersey. You are in our thoughts and our prayers. Hopefully it turns out to be something else. I have never heard of Cocker Rage in yorkies but it is possible.

Tae1107 07-12-2008 06:50 PM

Have you had her bile levels tested? Dogs with liver problems often act "weird" after eating such as hiding and straring, they are also prone to have poor coats and some are aggressive.

I would have her levels checked just to be sure she does not have any liver issues...we had a dog in our recue with a shunt and he was similiar to what you are describing and now that he had his shunt fixed he is no longer aggressive, staring, anti-social and his coat is growing in nicely...

Ladymom 07-12-2008 07:26 PM

I am so sorry to hear about Jersey. I think you are right, that it probably is a result of poor breeding. Do you know how she was raised as a puppy? Puppies needs lots of human contact right from the start. If she was raised in a cage without enough human interaction, it would explain her problem with socialization. At one year, when a puppy reaches adulthood, is usually when the aggressive behavior starts in puppies from puppy mill type situations.

As Tae1107 suggested, a bile acid test to check for a liver shunt is a good idea. Dogs can have normal liver values on a routine CBC and still have high bile acids. Since Yorkies are 36 times more likely to have a shunt than all other breeds combined and you say she didn't come from a reputable breeder, a shunt is a real possibility.

aka_yorkie_mama 07-12-2008 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tae1107 (Post 2109062)
Have you had her bile levels tested? Dogs with liver problems often act "weird" after eating such as hiding and straring, they are also prone to have poor coats and some are aggressive.

I would have her levels checked just to be sure she does not have any liver issues...we had a dog in our recue with a shunt and he was similiar to what you are describing and now that he had his shunt fixed he is no longer aggressive, staring, anti-social and his coat is growing in nicely...

I am with u has your doc did any bloodwork on her? the thin coat and eating issues could be a sign of a few things ..i know also of a breeder who did not didnt care and inbreed her dogs and aside from being born with huge health issues and loss of limbs she would have agression my vet told me her yorkies got in to a fight to the death ...OMGGGGGGGGGGGG

mscat 07-12-2008 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2109119)
I am so sorry to hear about Jersey. I think you are right, that it probably is a result of poor breeding. Do you know how she was raised as a puppy? Puppies needs lots of human contact right from the start. If she was raised in a cage without enough human interaction, it would explain her problem with socialization. At one year, when a puppy reaches adulthood, is usually when the aggressive behavior starts in puppies from puppy mill type situations.

As Tae1107 suggested, a bile acid test to check for a liver shunt is a good idea. Dogs can have normal liver values on a routine CBC and still have high bile acids. Since Yorkies are 36 times more likely to have a shunt than all other breeds combined and you say she didn't come from a reputable breeder, a shunt is a real possibility.

I was thinking this too . The puppy just did not have any human contact and had not bee properly socialized. It could also signal a health problem, so it is very important to take her to the vet, and get her tested.
If I were in your shoes I would not have her put down .She is a young dog. Give her to a rescue group if you can't keep her .
I am very sorry your going through this. My Suzi is completly oppisite then Jersey. :aimeeyork

CupofDog 07-12-2008 08:08 PM

I would consult with a homeopathic vet IMMEDIATELY. They will be able to counsel you on dietary changes, behavioral modification and through homeopathic remedies, these doctors are able to cure problems that regular vets just CAN'T.

My Cavalier King Charles Spaniel had chronic AWFUL colitis and vaccinosis from his rabies vaccine that caused prey behavior and extreme aggression issues. I did a quick look in my homeopathy manual and there are remedies for rage syndromes and mental disorders.

Visit AHVMA - Home and naturalholistic.com for a refferal. I was not a believer in homeopathy and now that is how I treat my dogs and myself. I have had chronic health issues my whole life cured by homeopathy and on a side note - this is how the Queen of England gets cared for. Good luck and be prepared to search outside traditional veterinary care - I believe there is hope for your little one and she can find peace and happiness.

Please let us know how its going.

cataholic 07-12-2008 08:53 PM

I have read recently that Lyme disease can cause aggession. Have you had her checked or vaccinated for that? It's just a thought. I know by the symptoms that it does sound like rage syndrome. I have a cocker and he is not quite right and can be very aggressive. Maybe you can get something from a homeopathic vet to make her calmer. I need to check that out myself. Please let us know what you find out. I am very interested. Good luck!

CupofDog 07-12-2008 08:59 PM

HOMEOPATHY, HOMEOPATHY, HOMEOPATHY!!!! :):):)

We are all saying it! Let us know how this comes along. I am super positive there is a solution and you will have a happy, balanced dog before you know it!!!

:p

spr377 07-12-2008 09:00 PM

Good luck to you, sounds like you have a difficult time ahead! Thoughts are with you!!

Little Bit 07-12-2008 09:02 PM

I have also heard that Revolution can cause these type of behaviors. You don't use that, do you?

cataholic 07-12-2008 09:04 PM

Here is a link you might be interested in:

Stop Bad Cat & Dog Behavior - Address Mean Behavior in Dogs & Cats

jrsygal37 07-13-2008 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscat (Post 2109175)
I was thinking this too . The puppy just did not have any human contact and had not bee properly socialized. It could also signal a health problem, so it is very important to take her to the vet, and get her tested.
If I were in your shoes I would not have her put down .She is a young dog. Give her to a rescue group if you can't keep her .
I am very sorry your going through this. My Suzi is completly oppisite then Jersey. :aimeeyork

The sad part is is that I am a volunteer with rescue. I am listed as a foster for Yorkies that come into our rescue. And, all but Jersey were rescues. I've handled everything from Noel who was beaten to Bella who I had since 5 weeks old and near death. My husband and two boys bought Jersey for me last year when our 10 yr. old Yorkie was diagnosed with Cancer. They knew he did not have long and I was taking it so hard and so for Mother's Day they came home with Jersey for me. A woman in our town had them. She breeds. She is not a good breeder and no Jersey was not socialized. My feelings is that she was left since birth to fend for herself. Another words whatever food was put down she either fought to eat or didn't eat. She was healthy when we got her - no fleas or parasites etc. but her parents were from Shake A Paw (A puppy store) and were older so yes my guess is that there is some in breeding. I won't put her down. I thought about placing her with an adult / older couple but she is so wild that she will not allow anyone but us to go near her. She does not like anyone but us and agains she's been socialized since we got her. Brought to ball games etc. Elaine

cesar49 07-13-2008 04:50 AM

is she in pain? does she have her dewclaws?:aimeeyork

cesar49 07-13-2008 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cataholic (Post 2109287)
I have read recently that Lyme disease can cause aggession. Have you had her checked or vaccinated for that? It's just a thought. I know by the symptoms that it does sound like rage syndrome. I have a cocker and he is not quite right and can be very aggressive. Maybe you can get something from a homeopathic vet to make her calmer. I need to check that out myself. Please let us know what you find out. I am very interested. Good luck!

valerian is an herb like valium.. might help:aimeeyork

CupofDog 07-13-2008 05:15 AM

Please consult a homeopath!!! All of your pooches health/mental issues can be addressed by a specialized veterinary homeopath. Its not that expensive and will save your piece of mind, your pooch's health and your family's happiness.

It works. I have seen it work in so many cases, so many varieties of issues from paralysis, to physical trauma, mental trauma, illness and more.

Oddly enough, I recieved a brochure in the mail yesterday with the following contacts:
Homeopathy School of Colorado-Homeopathy
Homeopathy School of Colorado
Council for Homeopathic Certification
North American Society of Homeopathy

Please give it a try! :)

Shirlthepearl 07-13-2008 05:22 AM

Looking at it in a different perspective, sounds like Jersey has put herself in the role of Alpha pack leader. You maybe
have spoiled her so much she thinks she's the master and head of your family pack.

Only a suggestion love, but sounds like it from here.

Hugs Shirl x x

4doggiemama 07-13-2008 05:27 AM

Poor Mommy and poor Furbaby!!!! How miserable you little one must be. You have received some wonderful advice. I have a puppy mill survivor and she has great fear issues. Have had to deal with them for 10 yrs. now. It has really gotten worse lately so she is now on Diazepam 3x's per day. Pet Calm wasn't doing the trick anymore. Seems to be helping. Hugs to you and your little furbaby.

CupofDog 07-13-2008 05:28 AM

I am sorry - I need to restate this - my baby is a mill survivor and had serious mental, behavior and anger issues. She also tends toward being alpha.

HOMEOPATHY, HOMEOPATHY, HOMEOPATHY!!! It saved her little brain and heart and she is the happiest little love. Just TRY it!!

cesar49 07-13-2008 05:59 AM

benevolent eye contact
 
:aimeeyork
Quote:

Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 2108913)
I'm having a problem and I'm wondering if anyone else had had similiar. Jersey is over a year old and she is different then any other Yorkie I've had. Since we got her at 10 weeks she just has not been right. First of all, when she first came to me she was like a fural cat, had hardly any hair and was always cold and she had trouble eating. She was always afraid. She would gobble her food and run and hide after. I chalked that up to where she was at and that maybe she had to fend for herself. Over time the food thing got better and she also got better with letting us pick her up etc. She for the most part is very good with us (meaning myself, hubby and two kids and our other Yorkies) but she will try to bite or attack anyone that comes into our home so we have to gate her.

She also is weird in that she is anti social. All the girls like to sleep with me or be near me. Jersey like to be off by herself. She does not sleep with anyone and growls if anyone goes near her. Lately she has been getting veyr aggressive. She for no reason will growl and snap at Lilly. Also the other night she decided to lay up on our bed and hubby came and and said move over Jersey and she growled at him. He yelled and told her don't you growl at me and went to pick her up to move her and she bit him. I went to pick her up and tell her no and she bit me. Now, today she for no reason just started snapping and growling and I went to pick her up and was bitten twice. Not hard she's only 5 pounds but we do not know why this is happening. She almos seems to not know what she is doing because after she just looks at me and licks me lik nothing happened.

She's vetted, well cared for, always plenty of food and loved - my girls are my babies. This is nothing we are causing. Believe me. And, I just don't know what to do. We could never rehome her because she would never go with anyone and honestly she is not suitable for any home.

I'm wondering if there is somehting wrong in her brain. I've discussed some of th eissues with the vet and he says that it's just her personality but I am convinced that somethin has to be wrong. Also she was always socialized as a pup but like I said she was very skiddish and the best way to describe her is she's just plain crazy.

Has anyone had issues like this and if so were they caused by something medical. I am really a wreck. I love my girls and my heart says soemthing is wrong with her. hubby is wearing thin and is afraid she will hurt one of the kids or one of the girls and told me in his oppinion she should be put down but I cannot do that but just don't know what to do. Elaine

my suggestion is develop benevolent eye contact.. it sounds like a trust and fear issue... spend 5 minute sessions with him.. make eye contact..
build trust.. do this 3 times a day.. say YES when developing BEC

It works

from the book... let the dog decide:)

cesar49 07-13-2008 06:01 AM

Yes Yes Yes
 
:)
Quote:

Originally Posted by CupofDog (Post 2109578)
Please consult a homeopath!!! All of your pooches health/mental issues can be addressed by a specialized veterinary homeopath. Its not that expensive and will save your piece of mind, your pooch's health and your family's happiness.

It works. I have seen it work in so many cases, so many varieties of issues from paralysis, to physical trauma, mental trauma, illness and more.

Oddly enough, I recieved a brochure in the mail yesterday with the following contacts:
Homeopathy School of Colorado-Homeopathy
Homeopathy School of Colorado
Council for Homeopathic Certification
North American Society of Homeopathy

Please give it a try! :)


NATURAL HERBS:thumbup::thumbup:

cesar49 07-13-2008 06:04 AM

esp
 
:aimeeyork- my girls are my babies



:) dont play favorites.. :p they can feel our energy:aimeeyork


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