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ChantalB 05-12-2008 04:06 AM
One hug a day!!!:eek:

Ya right!!! lol

sunyluvsma 05-12-2008 04:17 AM
This really means no eye contact. You would be amazed at the effects it has on training. It works.

Exercise,Discipline, Affection, works for any size pup.

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Originally Posted by Misti1 (Post 1981331)
You know her tactic that really cracks me up???? The one where if the dog is not doing something you like you turn your back, fold your arms and refuse to respond. Now on the show when she does this the dogs "get it", and stop the behavior and look at your turned back like "what the hey???"

You know what Miss Mika would do in a case like that??? Simply run around to your new side where you have turned, and continue doing whatever it was she was doing :D

Misti1 05-12-2008 04:30 AM
Really now I know the lady knows her stuff....I'm just being humorous...

Nancy1999 05-12-2008 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1980352)
I highly doubt that Victoria Stillwell said anything about "dominance" Leadership yes, not dominance.

I record them on my DVR so I'll have to watch that one. Usually her solutions are drastic and temporary, until the dog learns what is expected of it. Typically she is dealing with dogs who have been allowed to run the show and need to learn otherwise. We learned something similar in training classes called NILIF - Nothing in Life is Free AKA No Free Lunch. In other words, you ask the dog to sit, come, down before you pet him, feed him, go for a walk, etc. You ignore bad behavior (like barking for attention) and reward them for good behavior (responding once they are quiet). Eventually the dog learns the house rules and the routine and you can lighten up. Loki knows he sits while he gets his leash on and off, so we no longer have to do NILIF for that (no sit=no walk) because he just DOES what he is supposed to do or what I ask him to do.

Anyway, I like that show. :D

ETA: Walking in front of your dog doesn't show the dog anything, except that you are weird. Dogs can respect us as leaders and walk in front of us. That sounds like it came from Cesar...

We learned this technique in a Pet Smart training class; and I am aware that this is one of the techniques that Cesar uses, however, when I mentioned this to the trainer she just rolled her eyes and said I could forget everything Cesar said because they had different methods.

I guess my point is that when one "expert" says something that goes against your inner feelings, it's not that important that you follow the rule, there are other ways to achieve the desired results, and there are lots of good experts out there who happen to have different advise. I would be cautious of anyone who acted like they were the last word in dog training. Take the advice that sounds best; try it and see if it works. I am a little puzzled as to why it looks "weird" to walk side by side or slightly ahead of your dog. Joey used to be a little puller, and I just love it when he "lets" me be dominant. :D

davis 05-12-2008 11:17 AM
I watch that show all the time and she really helps people get results. She really gives good advice and gets great results but the once a day hugging is just something I couldn't do, of course I don't have 90 pound dogs dragging me down the street - I might reconsider if I did. Those dogs did great though. She is much better than the Dog Whisperer. I read an article on him and he uses force, but this lady NEVER uses force or hitting and she get great results.

Tammyh 05-12-2008 11:38 AM
I love that show! It amazes me how she can turn these dogs/owners around and these are dogs with major behavioral problems. I watched it this weekend and these people had two Yorkies that were dognapped from their car, they were able to get them back within a couple of days but in that short time the dognappers had turned these sweet little dogs from perfectly well behaved pets to unbearble (constant barking, aggressive, hating or afraid of everything, etc). It was so sad but she got them turned around and everyone back to the happy family they had been before. It's a great show, I always learn alot.

Nancy1999 05-12-2008 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by davis (Post 1982169)
I watch that show all the time and she really helps people get results. She really gives good advice and gets great results but the once a day hugging is just something I couldn't do, of course I don't have 90 pound dogs dragging me down the street - I might reconsider if I did. Those dogs did great though. She is much better than the Dog Whisperer. I read an article on him and he uses force, but this lady NEVER uses force or hitting and she get great results.


Sometimes it is problem when you read an article about something rather than going to the source, and learning for yourself. I have watched many of Cesar's programs and DVDs and he never suggests hitting a dog. So many people misrepresent what he does. You have to remember he works with many dogs that are so bad that they are going to be put down. They have been to many trainers before they get to him and he is their last resort. By "force" this is a nudge to the dog's neck area to get its attention, hardly painful, and certainly not as forceful as the dogs use on each other to establish the leader. I've really seen him work miracles.

YORKIE_mom_2008 05-12-2008 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 1982395)
Sometimes it is problem when you read an article about something rather than going to the source, and learning for yourself. I have watched many of Cesar's programs and DVDs and he never suggests hitting a dog. So many people misrepresent what he does. You have to remember he works with many dogs that are so bad that they are going to be put down. They have been to many trainers before they get to him and he is their last resort. By "force" this is a nudge to the dog's neck area to get its attention, hardly painful, and certainly not as forceful as the dogs use on each other to establish the leader. I've really seen him work miracles.
This is my opinion too! :yeahthat:

sryope68 05-12-2008 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 1982395)
Sometimes it is problem when you read an article about something rather than going to the source, and learning for yourself. I have watched many of Cesar's programs and DVDs and he never suggests hitting a dog. So many people misrepresent what he does. You have to remember he works with many dogs that are so bad that they are going to be put down. They have been to many trainers before they get to him and he is their last resort. By "force" this is a nudge to the dog's neck area to get its attention, hardly painful, and certainly not as forceful as the dogs use on each other to establish the leader. I've really seen him work miracles.
I agree with you as well. I think Ceasar is great! I like Victoria too. I feel with any kind of training you have to try it and see what works. I've seen the episode of It's Me or the Dog with the Old English Sheep Dogs and these owners never set rules or boundaries with anything, all they did was give affection which caused the dogs to take over. I think it was her way to get the owners to be aware of how much affection they are giving in comparison to how little they were being leaders, and like someone else previously posted these rules are usually temporary until they get the desired results.:D


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