stupid question...but I'm wondering how you just found out?

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I leave this to RiniW and Rini...
My opinion is this...I have one Biewer female from Germany. If I breed her to a Biewer I will only get Biewers.
I don't want anything that carries and is not 100% guaranteed to produce the actual color they are...I do not want to overload myself with dogs. I have limited my self to a certain bnumber of dogs and it is very hard to stick to it..LOL Plus, I cannot have a houseful of males.

My friend just had a litter of pups...she bred her standard color female to a full Biewer and got all standard colors..of course they all carry the piebald gene.

I always say...if you have the time and room, what can it hurt to keep another one, of course that thinking got me up to 27 Yorkies in my previous life. lol

this breed description is what dummies me up!!!

how did the germans create a new breed variation, if indeed its the same piebald gene that most american and euro breeders culled years and years ago??? How can the Germans claim the discovery of the breeding when it has existed for years if there is no crosses involved and simply a piebald.

as far as markings the piebald is all random how can it be stragically placed?

I have seen where pups have little to no markings primary white. I have read ideally on the biewers markings should be 40/60 or 60/40 but all legs must be white is that right?

Yes, the standard for the Biewer calls for all white leg, belly and tri color on the face. Now, why I think that they say it's a new breed in Germany, which it isn't, is the fact that they have been breeding these guys selectively to get these exact colors for many years. So I guess you could consider them "new" Now if you breed parti to parti you'll probably get parti but you may also get a regular thrown into the mix because the regular color still hasn't been breed out of the line. But over in Germany they have been doing this for many many years and now it's a specific gene which just carries the parti color. I would probably just keep Reggie and find a parti AKC female, that way all the puppies in the litter will be able to be registered with AKC. Then I would make sure that if you get any regular colors, you don't let them go un altered unless the people know that they are carriers of the piebald gene. JMO...

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As far as bettering a breed, and what is in demand currently I would go for a biewer. They are in extreme high demand and because of that unexperianced people are mixing breeds trying to achive biewer like dogs and the gene pool if getting messed up. Also they are in such high demand they are selling for a bit more money. 3,000 dollars about. I would go for teh biewers, they are also more nationaly reconized as a actualy breed, and as far as I belive just get more popular as the years go by.

The standard for the Biewer is a white chest, 4 white legs, at least the tip of the tail white and 2 or 3 colors in the face.

I think Biewers are wonderful. Don't have any experience with the parti's; I don't believe they have a standard--they are tri-colored yorkies.

Hi. I joined this board just to answer this question. I am a breeder of Biewers and so have a little more info.
First, the Biewers happened to 'discover' the coloring when they mixed Fru Fru of Friedheck and Darling Friedheck which happen to both be of the blue and tan coloring. The first Biewer was born in 1984. In 1989, they were finally recognized as their own breed in Germany. They are breed named "Biewer Yorkshire a'la Pom Pon".
Biewers have the same breed standard as a traditional yorkie but the coat. The German breed standard says the coloring should be "Rather white or blue-white or blue-white borken or closely blue absolute, or black, without brown coloring. Hair on the breast pure white on the belly, and the legs. The head with White-blue-gold, symmetrical colored." That is translated.

One thing about Biewers is that the breeders that hold true to the German standards, do not dock the tails. It is, in fact ILLEGAL to dock tails or ears in Germany so that is FORBIDDEN in the standard. They keep them in their natral state so they should have a long, full tail as well as ears.

When they discovered this coloring, they started to breed specifically for the coloring. If you buy a Biewer, you are buying from that particular line. Partis are from different lines that happen to both have the same, recessive gene...the pie bald gene. He bred them to the white paws, legs, etc. AKC has not recognized the Biewer as its own breed as of yet but we are hopeful that this will soon happen. There is the German registries: BBCI (Biewer Breed Club International) is where mine are registered. We do not mix Biewers with traditional yorkies. They must ALL be bred with full Biewers.

Partis just have the colors. They dont specifically have the pure white (all 4) legs, chest belly and specifics of their tails. They basically can be called Partis just if they have all three colors. ALSO TO CLARIFY. AKC does NOT recognize Parti Yorkies as their own breed. ALLOW the colors as long as they are from an AKC litter and you send photos in with reg. papers. Also, they will be registered as a Yorkie with Parti colors. They are not their own breed though. This is what they are trying to do with Biewers.

IMO....Biewers are much more desired because they are all of a prooven line from the ones who started the "Biewer" name. VERY BASICALLY, they are the same thing but Biewers are from one proven line of champions with great health history and awesome personalities. Partis are any line of yorkies who happen to have this gene mutation.

I hope this helps answer your questions.

A nice explaination on the differences of parti's and biewers...but this thread is 3 years old. :)

Ok so I have a question. I was talking to someone and they mentioned that any yorkie (reg Blue/tan) that has white when born IE.. white toes, mouth, spot anything white has the parti gene is this correct? anything other than the white blaze on the chest.

I was always under the impression that a pure bred Yorkie doesn't normally carry the piebald gene. I was always told when it comes to at least the Parti colored yorkie that they were bred to a Maltese at some point. Or rather their grandparents were and it was passed down that way.

Yes, to a point. A small white spot on the chest is standard for a trad. yorkie. On odd places (toes, mouth, etc.) more than likely, yes. To be sure, I would try breeding the yorkie with another parti and see what happens. The gene is stronger in a Biewer since it is all that is in the line. It is bred specifically for that trait so recessive gene becomes the dominant. (if that makes sense) So you may want to find a Biewer to breed it with to "pul out" or "enhance" any possible traces of the gene.


No not at all! The Partis, maybe. You cant tell with the Partis because you dont have such a background in most cases that would go back far enough to rule it out. In the case of a Biewer though, it is one line that has been bred to enhance that specific trait and has dominated the once recessive gene. It is like saying a dog born with 3 legs would produce 3-legged dogs. It does NOT mean that it is a mix breed. That is two totally different things. Gene mutations and mixed breeds. The gene mutation is something that naturally occured not something that was mixed up. :) Hope that clarifies

I saw that, it has stuck in my mind for about a year. lol

I personally like the Biewer. Our Mocha is a tiny, beautiful, lady!

Pam

this is a 3 year old thread.. but another question about biewers...
i think they have a different body shape.. they are smaller.. and more boxy..
square faces and they are described in the standard.. any opinions on the different body characteristics? :aimeeyork

I personally don't think that they have a significant difference in body type but the Biewers are not built as delicately. I also think they have a less-yappy personality--at least the ones at my house.