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PrestigeousYT 04-06-2008 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gardenyorkies (Post 1901835)
I'm sorry but there is no way I can support an organization, PETA (or any like org.) that use the extreme measures they use to get a point across...

There have been many other organizations and clans that have also used extreme measures to get their point accross and I don't think many of you would support those organizations either...

PETA kills animals ...PERIOD...Would you give your pet up to them?...I know some of you support some of what they do but if you can't stand behind all the extreme measures they take then please do not support them...

Yes, there are too many dogs, cats, etc in shelters today...I am a firm believer that if every breeder would rehome pets that came from their breedings there would be no need for shelters..

Stopping all breeding means the extinction of all dog breeds or public nusiance of stray, wild dogs in communities...HMmmm I don't see anything better about that!

~Laura

Thank you Laura for that post :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Deana

MyFairLacy 04-06-2008 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BoBoDiddle (Post 1901712)
I think that if selective breeding never existed, animals would be better off. This goes for horses, cows, dogs, cats, etc. Ultimately, I would love for people to get to that point. However, since breeding is here, we owe something to the animals whose 'wild' survival instincts have been bred out of them.

I think some of us need to be reminded that animals are not here for our entertainment.
Dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years...man and dog benefited by their relationship. Look what has happened from the non-selective breeding...irresponsible pet owners whose pets have accidental litters, those who don't care what their dog breeds to, etc...we now have overflowing shelters and unhealthy dogs everywhere. But look at the reputable breeders that do selectively breed - we have beautiful animals, healthy animals, and animals being well cared for in great homes. Animals were put on this earth to be food and companions to humans and that's the way it should stay.

MyFairLacy 04-06-2008 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by gardenyorkies (Post 1901835)
I'm sorry but there is no way I can support an organization, PETA (or any like org.) that use the extreme measures they use to get a point across...

There have been many other organizations and clans that have also used extreme measures to get their point accross and I don't think many of you would support those organizations either...

PETA kills animals ...PERIOD...Would you give your pet up to them?...I know some of you support some of what they do but if you can't stand behind all the extreme measures they take then please do not support them...

Yes, there are too many dogs, cats, etc in shelters today...I am a firm believer that if every breeder would rehome pets that came from their breedings there would be no need for shelters..

Stopping all breeding means the extinction of all dog breeds or public nusiance of stray, wild dogs in communities...HMmmm I don't see anything better about that!

~Laura
You have a good point. Would you trust this organization with your pet? Would you hand over your dog to this group and trust them to care for it? If you answered "no" then why are you supporting them?

BoBoDiddle 04-06-2008 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1901824)
Are they not here to provide us with food?
No not really. They DO provide us with food, but to imply that that is a purpose of them is a little conceited.

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Are they not here to remind us of how magnificent our Creator is in the variation and wonder of His creations?
Well, this depends on your personal beliefs and I don't really want to open that can of worms.


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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1901824)
Are they not here to help us and in return enjoy our protection and affection?
Again, I can't say that this is their purpose. It's great to have that relationship with an animal, but through breeding that relationship seems a little forced.

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Having a pet is an honor and responsiblity that should not be taken lightly but God forbid it should be taken away! Selective breeding has given us beautiful animals that are of the size and temperment to fit our individual tastes and lifestyles. It should always be done with the animals welfare in mind working to create a healthy, happy breed. I disagree that animals would be better off without selective breeding, nature would and in the wild does cause selective breeding by survival of the fittest. It is a harsh cruel world out there and pets bring beauty and love into it.
I guess this is the part that I disagree with the most. I don't think your post is inaccurate. I just think that we (humans) feel that this planet and everything on it and in it are ours to do what we want to and if it benefits us, it's good. I just ultimately think that we may need to take another look at this train of thought.

By the way, I realize that I may be in the minority here on a yorkie forum, but oh well.

yorkiekist 04-06-2008 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BoBoDiddle (Post 1901889)
No not really. They DO provide us with food, but to imply that that is a purpose of them is a little conceited.



Well, this depends on your personal beliefs and I don't really want to open that can of worms.




Again, I can't say that this is their purpose. It's great to have that relationship with an animal, but through breeding that relationship seems a little forced.



I guess this is the part that I disagree with the most. I don't think your post is inaccurate. I just think that we (humans) feel that this planet and everything on it and in it are ours to do what we want to and if it benefits us, it's good. I just ultimately think that we may need to take another look at this train of thought.

By the way, I realize that I may be in the minority here on a yorkie forum, but oh well.
I am surprised you even have a dog from what you just wrote. I am sure your dog didnt just spontaineously appear. I am sure a breeder had something to do with it. Let me guess, you dont eat meat and bicycle to work. I guess I am not "getting" your train fo thought.:)

Ladyhawk 04-06-2008 02:44 PM
Well if humans aren't doing the selective breeding than mother nature will take care of it herself and in a rougher way. In the wild only the strongest and healthiest breed as determined by fighting, often to the death. I may be old fashioned but I choose to believe that I was created and didn't decend from apes. I have the teeth and appetite of a meat eater though I eat veggies too. I believe that these little angels are God's gift to us, not just for our enjoyment but to care for as well. I do believe that human's are the guardians of the earth, we just haven't done the best job in that role.

kalina82 04-06-2008 02:51 PM
this is starting to turn into a totally different thread and its going to get ugly fast. i could say so many things right now that a lot of people here would disagree with because of our different beliefs but i won't because that should be kept off YT.

i think people should watch what they say and watch what they bring into an already heated debate.

BoBoDiddle 04-06-2008 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1902124)
I am surprised you even have a dog from what you just wrote. I am sure your dog didnt just spontaineously appear. I am sure a breeder had something to do with it. Let me guess, you dont eat meat and bicycle to work. I guess I am not "getting" your train fo thought.:)
I do think we have a responsibility to the animals that we have domesticated. I'm not saying that there is something wrong with having pets. It's just that it probably was a bad idea to do this back in the day. I feel the same way about zoos.

I do eat meat (that's a whole different argument). I wish I could bicycle to work, but it's just too far away. Those were two interesting points to bring up in this topic. What was the impetus?

yorkiekist 04-06-2008 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BoBoDiddle (Post 1902206)
I do think we have a responsibility to the animals that we have domesticated. I'm not saying that there is something wrong with having pets. It's just that it probably was a bad idea to do this back in the day. I feel the same way about zoos.

I do eat meat (that's a whole different argument). I wish I could bicycle to work, but it's just too far away. Those were two interesting points to bring up in this topic. What was the impetus?
It just seemed like your post made it look like you didnt like anything people did with animals is ok. And that included meat animals. So I just through in the bicycle thing.LOL Its too bad its such a sad imperfect world where animals are concerned.

mizzwanned 04-06-2008 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1902184)
Well if humans aren't doing the selective breeding than mother nature will take care of it herself and in a rougher way. In the wild only the strongest and healthiest breed as determined by fighting, often to the death. I may be old fashioned but I choose to believe that I was created and didn't decend from apes. I have the teeth and appetite of a meat eater though I eat veggies too. I believe that these little angels are God's gift to us, not just for our enjoyment but to care for as well. I do believe that human's are the guardians of the earth, we just haven't done the best job in that role.
I totally agree. I mean ok, if we were to have no pets and dogs were in the wild again, they would be breeding all over the place anyway. There would be tons of mixes, tons of dogs will be killed by cars on the highway, the little dogs will be killed by the bigger ones, they will have rabies. Some dogs will be attached to humans anyway, and will follow some home. Some humans would hide dogs in their home anyway. Dogs will be dead left and right and the little females will be raped by the males and get hurt. I see it all the time in the street dogs in PR:( It's sad. And where is the wild for these dogs anyway? In the forest? Where there's snakes, eagles, lions, etc? We have taken all over the u.s. There are homes everywhere. These little dogs would not survive! :thumbdown

BoBoDiddle 04-06-2008 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mizzwanned (Post 1902254)
I totally agree. I mean ok, if we were to have no pets and dogs were in the wild again, they would be breeding all over the place anyway. There would be tons of mixes, tons of dogs will be killed by cars on the highway, the little dogs will be killed by the bigger ones, they will have rabies. Some dogs will be attached to humans anyway, and will follow some home. Some humans would hide dogs in their home anyway. Dogs will be dead left and right and the little females will be raped by the males and get hurt. I see it all the time in the street dogs in PR:( It\'s sad. And where is the wild for these dogs anyway? In the forest? Where there\'s snakes, eagles, lions, etc? We have taken all over the u.s. There are homes everywhere. These little dogs would not survive! :thumbdown
umm...wow


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