Pledge to help stop puppy mills
 

The Humane Society of the US is asking everyone to show their support and sign a Pledge to help stop Puppy Mills:thumbdown

here is the link if you would like to participate!!:thumbup:

This will also be mentioned on Oprah tomorrow!
https://community.hsus.org/campaign/...FQLylgodLDD1cg

I signed:thumbup:

Thanks...I signed it.

me too.


tina

thank you for posting this

But this seems to say that you pledge not to buy pets from any internet site. Don't we all have websites for our puppies, etc.? Wouldn't that be against what they are asking for in the pledge? I want to sign, but....

I questioned this too, but I know in my mind & heart I wouldn't buy from someone I didn't know a lot about. I think this means that you wouldn't just buy because you saw a cute pix online, not knowing anything about the breeder

I feel the same way. I don't like the language of the pledge. What they could do is to let everyone know exactly how to identify a puppy mill. They're painting with a very broad brush and all those signatures could be used to push for legislation that would probably be short-sighted and put unreasonable restrictions on good breeders and still not stop puppy mills. They will still exist but will be made to hide their operations. This could make it worse for the dogs, if that's imaginable. I think education and awareness is the answer and shows like Oprah's will at least make a lot of people aware though that show alone isn't enough to really educate people but it will probably draw the biggest ever for the subject. Hey, it's a start. and all animal lovers should do their part, too. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

Many websites are just dog brokers who buy their dogs from puppymills. A pet buyer should always check out the breeder in person and visa versa.

Great thread thanks for posting.

I signed also. I can't wait to see the show tomorrow. I hope it makes a difference!

:thumbup: Glad to see you are posting this.
I would be leary of this because you are actually agreeing not to use a site like YTs featured breeders and so on to find a pup. And you can't assume you think they are saying this or that.
I wouldn't have a few of my show dogs if I had not come across a webpage and made contact with the breeder. I was careful but if they had not had a webpage I would have never known they existed.
I agree 100% puppymills MUST be Shut down.
www.pet-law.com
Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

I agree. I am sooo against puppy mills, but I cannot sign. There are some very good breeders, and others might disagree, that have websites. (Sadly, there are horrible ones also).
But I cannot pledge to that - I got all 3 of my babies from websites and have learned tons about good breeders vs. bad breeders in the process. I wouldnt change the lessons I have learned though, as my babies are my world and each is precious to me.

Yes, but you didn't just buy from the website did you? You actually saw the dogs and checked out the breeder first, right? I don't think it means just because they have a website you can't buy from them, but don't buy from a website. We can't stop the puppymills until buyers start buying from ethical breeders.

I bought from a website, and I know there are several others on yt who bought from my same breeder and I think she is very ethical.
I guess the difference is I did a lot of research on her before buying.

Right, you might say you had references, so you were not really buying from just the website. When they are asking people to pledge not to buy from a website, they are informing the public that this is not a good way to select a breeder. Anyone can put up cute little puppy pictures.

You can also get ripped off and lied to locally, not just from the internet. You have to be informed no matter where you buy from. The fact that people are already interpreting the pledge differently goes to show that it's unclear what it really means. I'm not putting my name on anything that depends on me assuming the best about someone's intentions. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

I totally understand that, I do, it just seems hypocritical or like I am lying to sign that particular petition. I just can't bring myself to do it.

The only way we will ever stop puppymills is for people to stop buying from places that sell puppymill puppies. You can close down puppymill after puppymill, that will not help, a new one will open. We have to stop buying their product.

No actually I didn't get to go see the dog in person.
I did do my research and looked up info on the breeder and her showing etc.
I totally agree, I think the biggest key is educate the public. Do not scare them to think that there are no wonderful purebred dog breeders, that the only choice we have is rescue dogs. You can find wonderful breeders of purebred dogs. I would love it if all rescue dogs found the home that worked for them. You know alot of rescue dogs never get the chance because some of the rescue groups won't give them the chance out of fear it won't be the right home and instead the dog gets put down. This really happens :mad:
There is a lot of change that needs done to protect the dogs.

I agree if you have the chance to go visit the pups that is the best thing to do. But I also realize it is not always possible so you can research the breeder and you can find a good breeder thru the net wether it be thru the breed clubs referral list etc.
This is my boy I got of course he was younger when I got him. He is 10 months now. I had worse luck when I found a breeder thru Dog Fancy when I was first showing so the key again is to know what to look for when buying a dog wether you get to see it in person or not and back then I really didn't know what was a red flag.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

My point is how are we going to stop puppymills if we don't stop their marketing. No one knocks on the puppymill door and asks to buy a puppy. It seems it order to get anything ever done; it's the "fanatics" of some cause that spearhead it. Most of us just sit around and say, "ain't it awful?" While some people do believe that pets should only be obtained through rescues, this will never stop people from quality breeding programs because they aren't in it for the money anyway. Education is the key I believe, and Thank God for wonderful breeders like you who continue educate yourself and others.

Let's keep in mind that all legislation usually goes thru multiple drafts before being adopted. I wholeheartedly support closing down puppymills but at the same time I have looked on the web for breeders and I even searched "YCTA" on the web. I definitely see that the wording on this petition needs to be reworked. If you read further down, you will be giving up your right to buy anything from anystore that sells animals. Petsmart, Petco, Petland, etc., albeit maybe that is the way to go. How many of us frequent those stores for other things? I know that I do.

I would support a pledge to close down puppymills but let's make sure that we don't make more of a mess in the long run.

I signed! thanks for posting

I believe this petition is of the utmost importance.

Reputable breeders should not be concerned, as their reputations
far exceed that of a website.

Homework needs to be done, and should be encouraged by breeders.

The daily suffering in these mills needs to stop. My priorities lie with
the tens of thousands, not with breeders worried about selling their
few litters a year.

As I've stated, if they are reputable, they shouldn't be concerned
in the least. And, in fact supportative, as this will bring awareness
to proper breeding practices.

Also, what reputable rescue organization would put a dog down,
out of fear they can't find the right home? I deal with many rescue
groups. The dogs stay with a foster until adopted, not put down.

JMHO

I have been to a puppy mill recently in my job. Their website is really nice. It shows pictures of the dogs in a home with children. But that is not reality. The dogs are in small pens like rabbit cages. They are not very socialized, just used for bredding. This particular breeder has her dogs artificially inseminated if they won't mate. I hope people don't just see a great website with cute pictures and assume the breeder does not have a puppy mill. I think you should see where the dog has lived and it's parents before you buy it. Pet stores lie about where they get their puppies too. They say they were raised in homes with families, not puppy mills. Who believes that??

Thanks for the site, I signed....

Me too.

When great changes are needed great sacrifices are needed, is it too great of sacrifice to ask us to stop supporting pet supply stores that sell pets? We each have to ask ourselves that question. I did think Petsmart had stopped this practice, but maybe not nationally, does anyone know for sure? I was planning on go there today. :confused:

:thumbup:

Nancy ~ In my area, Petsmart and Petco sell birds, guinie (sp) pigs,
and hamsters.

I will not support any store which sells live animals. I was involved with Parrot Rescue for a short time, and wow, are these poor things hard to
place. And there were sooo many surrendered. Not much public support either.

I buy from a local feed store. They have a huge variety, with better prices.

I have no problem with that and it seems a small price to pay for a bigger solution. As it is ... I do not shop Petco, Petland, etc because of this practice, but I do understand the need to pay attention to the wording of the documents we sign, because in our haste to want an immediatel change we could be overlooking some pertinent clauses by doing so.