breeder mad at me
 

So,i've had Leo since feb 9th and he was doing great.I took him for his 15week shots and the Vet suggested to do the Bortadella too.
Now my breeder told me not to get this shot at all because she had a couple that took their yorkie and got the Bortadella shot and the puppy got very sick.
We deceided to go ahead and have the vet give him the shot,it was through the nose.He was fine after the shots.On friday he had loose stool and his stomach was making noises,didnt eat that morning.I talked to the vet and she told me to drop of the stool sample and give him a quarter of the pepcid ac tablet.I did that,he ate all his food later on and was fine and full of energy.I emailed the breeder and asked her what could be wrong with leo and i told her about the Bortadella.OMG,she was so mad about that shot.She emailed me back saying that she warned me about the shot and so on..
anyway Leo's results came back on sat and the vet told me he had a mild case of hookworms and that he just needs the deworming medicine which was one pill.
She told me he got the hookworms from when his mother was nursing him.He is doing good now.But i was just shocked the way the breeder was reacting to the bortadella shot.
ANy of your yorkies had this shot done?why are so many ppl against it
im just happy Leo is ok :)

all mine get the Bordatella before they leave and if one does happen to leave before they get it, I tell the new parents to get it right away. I've never had a problem and wouldn't be without. i also use the Nasal variety.

When they do it up the nose, it isn't a shot, it's liquid..that's what the vet I use does...the bordatella doesn't hurt them at all, and I wouldn't worry about that breeder...not all dogs are born with worms, my puppys mom didn't have worms, and these pups didn't have worms..maybe this breeder should worry more about her mother dogs...sounds like you're doing well with your puppy..let what she said go in one ear and out the other!

The shot can actually give them kennel cough which can give them pneumonia. I hate the vaccine but I don't think it is one of the more dangerous ones either. Now lepto is dangerous...

I'm not sure if we had the shot done. I think it's crazy that your breeder was so mad at you. You were following the advice of your vet and unless she is also a vet she needs to stay out of it. On the flip side of that, if she had a negative experience with the shot, I can understand her fear. However that was yours and your vet's decision, not hers. I'm glad your pup is okay now :)

I have always given them their full course of shots. Never seen anything happen.

Honestly, I don't think that the breeder should have been rude to you at all! Obviously, you are doing what your vet has recommended and you wanted to follow his medical advice. Sounds like you are a great new owner. :) Seems like your baby had an upset tummy because of the worms.

Tammy

Both mine had the bordatello. They were given the shot form that takes 2 shots given at intervals.

They had no problems at all and I will continue to have the vet give it to them.

Both of mine get their Bordatello nasal sprays every year at their physicals when they also get their heartworm blood test and fecal tests.

A lot of groomers required dogs to have the Bordatello and even dog parks, day camps and boarding places. Basically, if your dog is going to be around other dogs at all it's a good idea.

the bordatella is only good for 6 mos.

I have lost a puppy giving the bordatella so maybe she has also or had prblems with it and does not approve of giving it.

Bella also received her Bortadella shots and she was just fine.

my 2 cents worth
 

Don't let the breeder tell you how to care for your pup when your vet advises otherwise :D - yah i know , i give all my new parents instructions etc too but always advise them to listen to their vet and use good common sense- after all we are breeders -not licensed vets - Now all that being said , i have known of a couple of puppies to have a problem after getting the internasal vaccine BUT just because 2 out of hundreds has a reaction is no reason to not do it.
I personally would not take a dog out of my house if it hadn't had its bordatella. This infection that they could get ( kennel cough ) is a upper respitory infection that can lead to pneumonia and is very contagious. It is why most all groomers and vets or other places that board require you show proof of your dog having had its vaccine ( either nasally or injected )

There is lots more i could say about this but this is long enough:rolleyes:

my breeder doesn't give her puppies the bordatella shots, but she didn't tell me not to do it... my vet gave Kash the bordatella shot in the left shoulder. apparently, it's pretty painful... he screamed for like 15 seconds straight... and then he was fatigued for the rest of the day. but the next day, he was back to normal. my vet said "bordatella" is the fancy name for the kennel cough shot. because on my invoice, it said kennel cough, and when i asked what that was, they said it was the fee for the bordatella shot.

anyway, Kash is fine after those shots. and i'm pretty sure he got the lepto shot too. he's doing great.

Sadie has a slight case of kennel cough frm this shot... She still has a cough once in a while... It got me mad that the shot made my baby sick!:mad:

My vet recommended that I get the bordatella shot (nasal) if I plan to take Isabella outside, to dog parks, groomers,etc... I haven't had a problem with her so far and I always gave Tobey it as well. The breeder as no right to be mad at you and I would wonder why her puppies seem to have a problem with it...

My Springer was given the nasal version. Shortly after this his epilepsy started. I'm not in anyway saying that the vaccine gave my dog epilepsy but I'm not comfortable giving it to any of dogs now. Most kennels and groomers (at lease in my case) understand why I won't give it.

You should also know that the vaccine is like the flu shot. It only covers one strain and there are many different strains.

I think it is a personable choice but if your breeder had a bad experience it may explain why she overreacted.

It is my understanding the intranasal Bordatella is a LIVE vaccine. My pup promptly contracted Bordatella from this and it took over a month of meds for it to go away. The actual injection is a dead vaccine. My girls now get the injection form and have been fine with it.

Though many would disagree, Bordatella is a treatable condition. Many prefer to not vaccinate against this and treat as needed. That being said, every kennel and doggie day care I know of insist that your pup be vacinnated for Bordatella before they will take them and it is strongly recommended if your pup goes to dog parks or is around other dogs for meet-ups or whatever.

I found out today
 

I have found out today that my vet gave little Davey Lepto. He got really sick. I talked with him today because he is still thinking Davie has a liver shunt problem. I brought up all these points I have found out from experiences and his only comment was. Time will tell these little guys get really sick and you treat them and they may come out of it. Even if they have surgery and don't find a liver shunt then what do you do.

I got my puppy with conjunctivitis. the breeder told me she thought it was caused from getting the nasal bordetella, that it could be an adverse side effect, but she always gives her pups this.
Either my pup is one of those statistics with these severe reactions to the vaccines, or he has an underlying problem . Time will tell .

the breeder was hoping you would take her advice.. since she let you buy her puppy.. if you werent listening, then why did you call her? she felt that you simply didnt care about her advice..:eek:

My Alastor has gotten the bortadella nasal vaccine because he goes everywhere with me and luckily had no reaction.

I understand that the breeder is upset that you gave it to your pup, but ultimately, that decision is up to you and your vet unless that was in the puppy contract. I'm sure the breeder was trying to look out for the pup, but only you and your vet have the right to decide what vaccines to give YOUR puppy. Perhaps it just scared her when you let her know the pup got the shot and that the pup had an upset tummy, although the tummy problem (hookworms) and the vaccine were not actually related in the end. Please don't let the breeder pressure you into doing what She feels is right but stick with what you and your vet decide for your dog.

Jake got the what they called the reverse sneeze?? It pretty much looks like he snorting like a pig, and it closely resembles asthma attacks. But they go away with nothing really? He sometimes does it on purpose for attention now. But we blame it on the shot. it started with it.

so, why did she call the breeder to complain? :confused:

Lepto is something you probably don't want to give a liver compromised Yorkie because it isn't a core vaccine and all vaccines are hard on the liver. I know lepto is bad in Indiana right now and it is a hard call that only you and your vet can make but it is risky.

Do you trust your vet?
Honestly, something doesn't sound right.
They shouldn't have surgery for a shunt without a positive diagnosis.
What if it is MVD?
What tests have been done so far?
I'm sure you told me already but I can't remember now. So many people on YT are dealing with bile acid testing or liver shunt that it all kind of gets mixed up after awhile.:(

run dont walk to a new vet:aimeeyork

Phoebe received it by injection at 14 weeks...no problems whatsoever. No Lepto shot for her tough!

I had a vet that gave this in the nose of a yorkie.. and he had a bad reaction.. the next year he gave him the same in the nose.. he died and was 5 years old.. I do not ever have that done again.. shots are the only way to go.. this vet will not do this now to a smaller dog..anne

test done
 

The only test he has had so far is the BAT and a couple of CBC's and 1 chem profile. But as the vet and I talked we both agreed that unless a shunt is seen on a veinogram etc. then from reading up on these sometimes the only definitive diagnosis is made during the surgery.

From investigating this I have found some theories that Liver shunt is being more prominent from inbreeding.

Do I trust my vet right now I don't know what to say . sometimes I think he is listening to me and other times, "why didn't he tell me that? I just waited to get my pups dewormed at 6 weeks because his office staff told me to bring them in at 6 weeks. He told me usually he worms pups at 2-4-6 weeks. I was dumbfounded. I didn't know what to say. I didn't look that up on here because I trusted what he said. I am still trying to figure out how I missed this. No harm done the pups haven't left the house, and I haven't had their mom outside much and she has been on heartguard right along. that night after getting the strongid. I found only one pup had gotten rid of one dead worm. No more seen in any other feces from the other pups. I watch them so closely.

Not definitive
 

It still isn\'t clear if the pup is liver compromised? Since he the fecal contaminants then, followed with the medication Baytril, Flagyl, interceptor, the 2 vaccines with lepto and corona, in them with in 2 weeks apart. He weighs less then 3 lbs. Actually 2.4 lbs.

Right now he is a fussy eater and gets hypoglycemic if fasting more then 10 hours. He has to have nutrical inbetween 10-1 am or someone better feed him by 7-8 am. He won\'t eat royal canin or eukanuba. He will eat science diet AD and activia, and newborn milk.