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Courtney1234 · 01-10-2005, 04:53 PM

Hey... yes another question sorry.. but i was wondering whats all the hoopla about a dog being registered besides being able to breed and show? If I just want a puppy for a pet should I really look for a registered pup or is it ok for her to be unregistered? Thanks
Courtney

orinskye · 01-10-2005, 05:21 PM

it is absolutly fine to be unregistered........... my toby has no papers whatsoever, but it doesnt really make him any less "pure bred" than any other yorkie...... you might even ask breeders if they have any "pet quality" yorkies....... these yorkies are usually the ones that are larger or smaller than teh standard and dont have the "right characteristics" to show....... unregistered puppies sell for cheaper too (from what ive noticed) ..... not having papers doesnt mean that it has defects.......

fasteddie · 01-10-2005, 07:53 PM

Yup, unregistered is fine, but be sure to have a dog tag made for her!

yorkipower · 01-10-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Courtney1234

Hey... yes another question sorry.. but i was wondering whats all the hoopla about a dog being registered besides being able to breed and show? If I just want a puppy for a pet should I really look for a registered pup or is it ok for her to be unregistered? Thanks
Courtney

There is one big, to put it loosly, "advantage" to getting a registered Yorkie (particuarly AKC) and that is, while it is NOT a guarantee of a good breeder, it is at least an indactor of one. A lot of backyard breeders, dog brockers and pet shops offer a shmorgus board of registrations (including one that was created just for the puppy mill industry) because people don't understand the whole concept of registration. If you go to a breeder who is breeding only Yorkies or only a few breeds, among them are Yorkies, and only registers with AKC or say AKC and UKC, you've got more of a chance of finding that "right" kind of breeder. Since anyone with an intact female can mate her dog to another dog, you've got to be warry that there are plenty of people out there breeding who dont know the first thing about genetics or breed type - any tool you can use to avoid these people is worth putting in your "tool box."

Luvmypupster · 01-11-2005, 05:10 AM

There really is no need to register if you plan on not breeding unless you just want to do it. I did register both my maltese and my yorkie, simply for fun and to get their papers ..sort of like their "birth certificate" for a scrap book I created. (It's thier baby book LOL). When I sent Mia's paper in they were offering free insurance coverage for a brief time frame. Thats kind of good because some people end up having health problems with their pups those first few weeks. It's not always a good indicator of the quality of the breeder of pup just becasue they are AKC. You can have unscrupulous breeders sell you a mixed breed pup with AKC papers that they claim as being a "purebred" example: It's as simple as the breeder having lets say a westie bitch and a maltese stud whom happened to get a hold of her westie. Well, both dogs are white, black points and why let that litter go to waste. Most unethical breeders know that most people may not know enough about a breed, haven't done research and they can sell a puppy whom someone will fall in love with . When they reach the age where the owner starts to realize that Fluffy doesn't look like a maltese it's too late to do anything about it because they are emotionally in love with this dog. But they start questioning, how come Fluffy's ears point intsead of drop like a malt, or how come Fluffy's hair isn't the correct texture of a maltese, why is Fluufy 12 pounds instead of the standard weight for a maltese? It happens every single day and is a common practice with mills, backyard breeders whom produce several differnent breeds.
Sometimes its even done intentionaly becasue the risk factor and cost for a larger breed is usually not as huge a factor in letting these tiny breeds produce. As far as the pet quality or reputable breeders..sometimes it's a simple as maybe they have a slight overbite, their ears may not be postitioned just so..most of the time its something the pet owner can't even distinguish. Bottom line is to always research a breeder and always get references on a breeder. Good luck

lucynfred · 01-11-2005, 05:25 AM

Luca Dean is an AKC registered babe, but I wanted a registered pup for the same reasons listed by Yorkiepower. Even with an AKC pup though, you are not guaranteed he/she will be within the AKC breed standard when grown. Yorkies can get bigger than 7 lbs if overfed or just b/c of genetics, they can end up having undershot or overshot teeth, or they may end up with what the AKC considers an incorrect coat type. These things do not affect the general health of the dog though, and the MOST important things are finding a puppy that suits your lifestyle AND is healthy. (Vet check within 48 hours of adoption is highly recommended).

AKC/ACA breeders may also be more likely to sign a contract for a refund or return of your puppy should he be diagnosed with a congenital defect. Many people own yorkies that have wonderful yorkies with minor and major defects, and beyond having to spend more money to feed or care for the pup, are still quite satisfied with their purchase. Besides, as others have stated, "Yorkies ain't cheap." They have special needs, are finicky eaters, and as a toy breed, just need extra care in general.

Dean was purchased as an unrestricted pup, so we also have the option to breed, but he may not be breed worthy -- that's yet to be seen. (IT is not my intention to breed -- we wanted a pet quality yorkie -- but JIK.) So, I guess as others have stated, it's really not an issue unless you are looking for a show yorkie or a yorkie you intend to breed. And there's the minor advantage, as far as the breeder's reputability, that can be, if nothing else, comforting. ANY yorkie, a 20 lb'er or a teeny 3 lb'er, a wooly or a silky coated, is sure to bring you joy with or without a piece of paper being attached.

Good luck! And don't be overwhelmed! All this seems like a lot to take in, but you are doing the right thing -- researching the breed, seeking out other yorkie owners, and pre-planning ... good job! It will pay off tremendously in the long run.

01-10-2005, 04:53 PM	#1
Courtney1234 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 19	registered / unregistered Hey... yes another question sorry.. but i was wondering whats all the hoopla about a dog being registered besides being able to breed and show? If I just want a puppy for a pet should I really look for a registered pup or is it ok for her to be unregistered? Thanks Courtney

01-11-2005, 05:10 AM	#5
Luvmypupster YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: tx Posts: 624	There really is no need to register if you plan on not breeding unless you just want to do it. I did register both my maltese and my yorkie, simply for fun and to get their papers ..sort of like their "birth certificate" for a scrap book I created. (It's thier baby book LOL). When I sent Mia's paper in they were offering free insurance coverage for a brief time frame. Thats kind of good because some people end up having health problems with their pups those first few weeks. It's not always a good indicator of the quality of the breeder of pup just becasue they are AKC. You can have unscrupulous breeders sell you a mixed breed pup with AKC papers that they claim as being a "purebred" example: It's as simple as the breeder having lets say a westie bitch and a maltese stud whom happened to get a hold of her westie. Well, both dogs are white, black points and why let that litter go to waste. Most unethical breeders know that most people may not know enough about a breed, haven't done research and they can sell a puppy whom someone will fall in love with . When they reach the age where the owner starts to realize that Fluffy doesn't look like a maltese it's too late to do anything about it because they are emotionally in love with this dog. But they start questioning, how come Fluffy's ears point intsead of drop like a malt, or how come Fluffy's hair isn't the correct texture of a maltese, why is Fluufy 12 pounds instead of the standard weight for a maltese? It happens every single day and is a common practice with mills, backyard breeders whom produce several differnent breeds. Sometimes its even done intentionaly becasue the risk factor and cost for a larger breed is usually not as huge a factor in letting these tiny breeds produce. As far as the pet quality or reputable breeders..sometimes it's a simple as maybe they have a slight overbite, their ears may not be postitioned just so..most of the time its something the pet owner can't even distinguish. Bottom line is to always research a breeder and always get references on a breeder. Good luck __________________ Emme & Faith R.I.P. Mia & Bentley

01-11-2005, 05:25 AM	#6
lucynfred Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tuscaloosa Posts: 199	registered vs. unregistered Luca Dean is an AKC registered babe, but I wanted a registered pup for the same reasons listed by Yorkiepower. Even with an AKC pup though, you are not guaranteed he/she will be within the AKC breed standard when grown. Yorkies can get bigger than 7 lbs if overfed or just b/c of genetics, they can end up having undershot or overshot teeth, or they may end up with what the AKC considers an incorrect coat type. These things do not affect the general health of the dog though, and the MOST important things are finding a puppy that suits your lifestyle AND is healthy. (Vet check within 48 hours of adoption is highly recommended). AKC/ACA breeders may also be more likely to sign a contract for a refund or return of your puppy should he be diagnosed with a congenital defect. Many people own yorkies that have wonderful yorkies with minor and major defects, and beyond having to spend more money to feed or care for the pup, are still quite satisfied with their purchase. Besides, as others have stated, "Yorkies ain't cheap." They have special needs, are finicky eaters, and as a toy breed, just need extra care in general. Dean was purchased as an unrestricted pup, so we also have the option to breed, but he may not be breed worthy -- that's yet to be seen. (IT is not my intention to breed -- we wanted a pet quality yorkie -- but JIK.) So, I guess as others have stated, it's really not an issue unless you are looking for a show yorkie or a yorkie you intend to breed. And there's the minor advantage, as far as the breeder's reputability, that can be, if nothing else, comforting. ANY yorkie, a 20 lb'er or a teeny 3 lb'er, a wooly or a silky coated, is sure to bring you joy with or without a piece of paper being attached. Good luck! And don't be overwhelmed! All this seems like a lot to take in, but you are doing the right thing -- researching the breed, seeking out other yorkie owners, and pre-planning ... good job! It will pay off tremendously in the long run.

01-10-2005, 05:21 PM	#2
orinskye YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,990	it is absolutly fine to be unregistered........... my toby has no papers whatsoever, but it doesnt really make him any less "pure bred" than any other yorkie...... you might even ask breeders if they have any "pet quality" yorkies....... these yorkies are usually the ones that are larger or smaller than teh standard and dont have the "right characteristics" to show....... unregistered puppies sell for cheaper too (from what ive noticed) ..... not having papers doesnt mean that it has defects.......

01-10-2005, 07:53 PM	#3
fasteddie *YT 6000 Club Member* Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,238	Yup, unregistered is fine, but be sure to have a dog tag made for her!