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Jezebel Dutches 02-14-2008 08:18 AM
HELP!! Have I been scammed??
 
I have a problem. I purchased a female yorkie December 12 under contract. The contract stated that I had 48 hours to have her checked by a vet and that she came with a limited AKC registration (NO breeding or showing rights). Well the vet said she was in great health, but at the time I purchased her the AKC papers were not ready?? The lady I got her from said she was not the puppies breeder, but that she had received the puppy as pick of the litter for payoff for a stud service. The day I bought her the lady told me she was in contact with her breeder and that she would mail me the form for her AKC registration in a few days. Well that was 2 months ago. I have emailed the lady a billion times...at first she said she could not get in touch with the breeder. About a month ago she said she finally talked the the breeder and they had sent the litter registration in to the AKC. Don't most people do this as soon as the litter is born?? What do I do? I want my babies papers! I think four months is ample time to register a litter!

BamaFan121s 02-14-2008 08:23 AM
Yep...sounds like you are being given the run around. Sadly, this happens quite often. You have to be SOOOOOO careful regarding paperwork. A hard lesson learned by many that you should never trust the ole "I dont' have them yet but I'll get them to you" routine.:(

bjh 02-14-2008 08:41 AM
Some breeders send in the litter registration right away and some don't. It is possible they sent the litter registration in and then found out AKC needed a DNA test done on the male if he had sired more than 3 litters in one year or 5 lifetime. The person you bought the puppy from should have kept you better informed. I know some people that sell with limited registration do not provide the papers until proof is provided that the dog has been neutered. I hope you get it resolved.

patty58 02-14-2008 08:55 AM
I don't know the answers to your questions but wanted to welcome you to yt.

TammyJM 02-14-2008 08:56 AM
I wish that I could be of more help to you. I just wanted to ask if that is her in your avatar? She is sooooooooooo cute!!!! She looks like she already has a nice coat as well.

I hope that this gets straightened out for you.

Tammy

qraven 02-14-2008 09:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jezebel Dutches (Post 1762787)
I have a problem. I purchased a female yorkie December 12 under contract. The contract stated that I had 48 hours to have her checked by a vet and that she came with a limited AKC registration (NO breeding or showing rights). Well the vet said she was in great health, but at the time I purchased her the AKC papers were not ready?? The lady I got her from said she was not the puppies breeder, but that she had received the puppy as pick of the litter for payoff for a stud service. The day I bought her the lady told me she was in contact with her breeder and that she would mail me the form for her AKC registration in a few days. Well that was 2 months ago. I have emailed the lady a billion times...at first she said she could not get in touch with the breeder. About a month ago she said she finally talked the the breeder and they had sent the litter registration in to the AKC. Don't most people do this as soon as the litter is born?? What do I do? I want my babies papers! I think four months is ample time to register a litter!
I do not send them in until the babies are 10 weeks old. If it is in your contract that the dog is Reg then you do not have a problem as she has to honor it.

Jezebel Dutches 02-14-2008 09:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1762897)
I wish that I could be of more help to you. I just wanted to ask if that is her in your avatar? She is sooooooooooo cute!!!! She looks like she already has a nice coat as well.

I hope that this gets straightened out for you.

Tammy
Yes, that's my baby! Thanks for the compliment. I broke down last night and bought a CC brush and comb! I also purchased Pest Silk for her. I can not wait to see the results!

Jezebel Dutches 02-14-2008 09:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1762897)
I wish that I could be of more help to you. I just wanted to ask if that is her in your avatar? She is sooooooooooo cute!!!! She looks like she already has a nice coat as well.

I hope that this gets straightened out for you.

Tammy
Yes, that's my baby! Thanks for the compliment. I broke down last night and bought a CC brush and comb! I also purchased Pet Silk for her. I can not wait to see the results!

hha 02-14-2008 09:28 AM
When I got my last puppy, she was 11 weeks and the papers were sent with her, but, since I'm not showing or breeding, I just throw the papers in the drawer..I'm not crazy about AKC, and so, i don't give them the money just for mine to have their AKC papers..

Jezebel Dutches 02-14-2008 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hha (Post 1763025)
When I got my last puppy, she was 11 weeks and the papers were sent with her, but, since I'm not showing or breeding, I just throw the papers in the drawer..I'm not crazy about AKC, and so, i don't give them the money just for mine to have their AKC papers..
All of my dogs are registered. Not for the fact of having papers but for the support of the AKC.

Gazou 02-14-2008 09:41 AM
Here breeders have up to 6 months before sending registration papers .

Tiramisu 02-14-2008 09:43 AM
I support AKC also, just wish they'd be more helpful in these scamming cases..

Tiramisu 02-14-2008 09:45 AM
I hope you get your papers soon. I usually send my puppy litter registration papers in at 4 weeks and love being able to register the litter online.

txshopper73 02-14-2008 10:41 AM
I have been through this before. I was promised papers but the lady kept putting me off. I finally got all the paperwork to file in small claims court, let her know what my plans were and she called me the next day with papers in hand.

red98vett 02-14-2008 10:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jezebel Dutches (Post 1762787)
I have a problem. I purchased a female yorkie December 12 under contract. The contract stated that I had 48 hours to have her checked by a vet and that she came with a limited AKC registration (NO breeding or showing rights). Well the vet said she was in great health, but at the time I purchased her the AKC papers were not ready?? The lady I got her from said she was not the puppies breeder, but that she had received the puppy as pick of the litter for payoff for a stud service. The day I bought her the lady told me she was in contact with her breeder and that she would mail me the form for her AKC registration in a few days. Well that was 2 months ago. I have emailed the lady a billion times...at first she said she could not get in touch with the breeder. About a month ago she said she finally talked the the breeder and they had sent the litter registration in to the AKC. Don't most people do this as soon as the litter is born?? What do I do? I want my babies papers! I think four months is ample time to register a litter!
There's too many people out there mis-representing themselves.
you dealt with a broker (a middle man) which is why it's always good to check things out VERY carefully before you put down money on a puppy. Buying from a broker is something most of us advise AGAINST.
Good luck getting your papers.

Jezebel Dutches 02-14-2008 11:00 AM
I realize that she is in breach of our contract, but she lives in a different state, do I have to file court papers there?

ladilea2169 02-14-2008 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jezebel Dutches (Post 1762787)
I have a problem. I purchased a female yorkie December 12 under contract. The contract stated that I had 48 hours to have her checked by a vet and that she came with a limited AKC registration (NO breeding or showing rights). Well the vet said she was in great health, but at the time I purchased her the AKC papers were not ready?? The lady I got her from said she was not the puppies breeder, but that she had received the puppy as pick of the litter for payoff for a stud service. The day I bought her the lady told me she was in contact with her breeder and that she would mail me the form for her AKC registration in a few days. Well that was 2 months ago. I have emailed the lady a billion times...at first she said she could not get in touch with the breeder. About a month ago she said she finally talked the the breeder and they had sent the litter registration in to the AKC. Don't most people do this as soon as the litter is born?? What do I do? I want my babies papers! I think four months is ample time to register a litter!
K THAT HAPPEN 2 ME WHEN I BOUGHT MY 1ST SAINT BERNARD, WHO BTW WAS SICK WITH PARVO....

I WENT ON THE AKC REGISTRATION SITE AND PUT IN THE NUMBERS THAT WERE GIVEN TO ME ON THE COPIES AND BOTH PARENTS WERE SUPPOSE TO REGISTERED BUT ONLY THE DAD CAME UP AND I NEVER GOT THE PAPERS, AND MY POOR LITTLE SAINT HAD TO BE PUT DOWN 10 DAYS AFTER I BOUGHT HIM, THE BREEDER DECIDED NOT TO HELP ME WITH THE VET BILLS, OR REIMBURME ANYTHING, SO I SUED HERE AND WON ALL MY MONEY BACK...

SORRY SO LONG BUT THERE IS A POINT, WE AS BUYERS HAVE RIGHTS ITS CALLED THE PUPPY LEMON LAW, IN CALIFORNIA THE BREEDER HAS TO BE LINCENSED AND OR BE A HOBBY BREEDER, AND THEY HAVE AROUND 60 DAYS I THINK TO GIVE U THE PAPERS PROMISED OR THEY ARE IN BREECH OF CONTRAT SO THEY EITHER HAVE TO GIVE U 75% OF WHAT U PAID FOR THE DOG IF U WANT TO KEEP IT OR REIMBURSE U THE WHOLE AMOUNT, IF U SURRENDER IT, WELL WE ALL KNOW THERE OUR BABIES SO THEY CANT HAVE THEM BACK... THERE ARE RIGHTS FOR US..

WWW.PUPPYLEMONLAW.COM

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT...

hha 02-14-2008 12:30 PM
I have no use for AKC after they put me through pure he double hockey stick a few years back..

ladilea2169 02-14-2008 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jezebel Dutches (Post 1763291)
I realize that she is in breach of our contract, but she lives in a different state, do I have to file court papers there?
UM IDK THE LAWS THERE... IM FROM CALI I FILED HERE SHE WAS IN A DIFFERENT COUNTY... BUT WE BOTH LIVE IN CALIFORNIA...

ladilea2169 02-14-2008 12:56 PM
http://www.malteseonly.com/lemon.html

HERE IS THE LAWS READ ON YOUR STATE AND THE BREEDERS STATE

Sassysmama 02-14-2008 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jezebel Dutches (Post 1762787)
I have a problem. I purchased a female yorkie December 12 under contract. The contract stated that I had 48 hours to have her checked by a vet and that she came with a limited AKC registration (NO breeding or showing rights). Well the vet said she was in great health, but at the time I purchased her the AKC papers were not ready?? The lady I got her from said she was not the puppies breeder, but that she had received the puppy as pick of the litter for payoff for a stud service. The day I bought her the lady told me she was in contact with her breeder and that she would mail me the form for her AKC registration in a few days. Well that was 2 months ago. I have emailed the lady a billion times...at first she said she could not get in touch with the breeder. About a month ago she said she finally talked the the breeder and they had sent the litter registration in to the AKC. Don't most people do this as soon as the litter is born?? What do I do? I want my babies papers! I think four months is ample time to register a litter!
I would ask the lady for the breeder's phone number and threaten to take her to court. Give her a date that you want the papers by and tell her if you don't receive them by that date that you will be forced to take legal action...what a pain in the ass! Always have the papers in hand before buying a pup....there's a lot of shady breeders out there! Good luck to you! :)

meglaulanmar 02-14-2008 04:04 PM
Wait
 
Wait a minute. you could have been scammed but you can contact the AKC and they should tell you (if they are honest) they are WAY behind on the dna testing (you have to do this after a certain number of litters from the male) anyway... they are way behind on a lot of paperwork. I am still waiting on some myself and the dna test just came in so now we have sent in the litter information. They are behind more than they have ever been according to a few breeders. So, you could be getting the run around but it also could be that.

Ladymom 02-14-2008 04:48 PM
The puppy you got is called a "breeder back" puppy, I believe. It's fairly common to get a puppy from a litter instead of a stud fee.

Since your puppy came with limited registration, I assume there was also a spay/neuter agreement. Most reputable breeders will hold the papers until receiving proof of the spay or neuter.

If you dealt with a reputable breeder, all this is routine and you shouldn't have any problem getting the papers. It does sound like you've been getting the runaround, though, so this breeder may not be on the up and up.

Did you request to see the AKC papers and pedigrees of the parents before you purchased your puppy? This should always be done as part of the screening process when looking for a breeder, along with asking for proof of health testing. If all this is done before, there are no surprises or disappointments afterwards.

oopsmyhalofello 02-14-2008 08:26 PM
I just went through this type of think with my youngest puppy Coco. She was also from a different state (Its takes me a lot to learn I guess since I made mistakes picking both my yorkies). Anyway, the woman I was dealing with told me she was the breeder and had the female, her best friend had the male. She was sold to me with full rights AKC registration. (I'm not breeding her btw) I got her on 12/1, the papers didn't come.. I tried to contact the "breeder" and she never responded back to me. I filed a dispute with paypal and she actually lied about talking to me on the phone and said that she told me there was a hold up with the papers, she had never given me the micro chip information either. I was able to get the litter number and micro chip number from her through there. When I moved it to a claim paypal closed it right down so I figured I would never see the papers. Well low and behold I got them in the mail today.. shocker!

Incidently, i'm pretty sure I was unknowingly dealing with a broker as well since the breeders name on the paperwork is not who I dealt with and is from a different state even.

Ladymom 02-14-2008 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by oopsmyhalofello (Post 1765064)
I just went through this type of think with my youngest puppy Coco. She was also from a different state (Its takes me a lot to learn I guess since I made mistakes picking both my yorkies). Anyway, the woman I was dealing with told me she was the breeder and had the female, her best friend had the male. She was sold to me with full rights AKC registration. (I'm not breeding her btw) I got her on 12/1, the papers didn't come.. I tried to contact the "breeder" and she never responded back to me. I filed a dispute with paypal and she actually lied about talking to me on the phone and said that she told me there was a hold up with the papers, she had never given me the micro chip information either. I was able to get the litter number and micro chip number from her through there. When I moved it to a claim paypal closed it right down so I figured I would never see the papers. Well low and behold I got them in the mail today.. shocker!

Incidently, i'm pretty sure I was unknowingly dealing with a broker as well since the breeders name on the paperwork is not who I dealt with and is from a different state even.
I'm not sure how you found your puppy, but a lot of the so-called breeders on internet websites are really just brokers for byb's and puppy mills. People don't realize it until they get the papers and see a different name listed as the breeder.

It really is buyer beware when looking for a puppy.

Jezebel Dutches 02-15-2008 03:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oopsmyhalofello (Post 1765064)
I just went through this type of think with my youngest puppy Coco. She was also from a different state (Its takes me a lot to learn I guess since I made mistakes picking both my yorkies). Anyway, the woman I was dealing with told me she was the breeder and had the female, her best friend had the male. She was sold to me with full rights AKC registration. (I'm not breeding her btw) I got her on 12/1, the papers didn't come.. I tried to contact the "breeder" and she never responded back to me. I filed a dispute with paypal and she actually lied about talking to me on the phone and said that she told me there was a hold up with the papers, she had never given me the micro chip information either. I was able to get the litter number and micro chip number from her through there. When I moved it to a claim paypal closed it right down so I figured I would never see the papers. Well low and behold I got them in the mail today.. shocker!

Incidently, i'm pretty sure I was unknowingly dealing with a broker as well since the breeders name on the paperwork is not who I dealt with and is from a different state even.
I love the color of your Yorkie!

Jezebel Dutches 02-15-2008 03:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladilea2169 (Post 1763692)
http://www.malteseonly.com/lemon.html

HERE IS THE LAWS READ ON YOUR STATE AND THE BREEDERS STATE
You have been so helpful, thanks for caring! :)

tammy8833 02-15-2008 05:08 AM
hi im in va too and the first yorkie i got was from a broker..can you tell me where you got the baby? or who she/he was?

Jezebel Dutches 02-15-2008 07:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 1765417)
hi im in va too and the first yorkie i got was from a broker..can you tell me where you got the baby? or who she/he was?
I purchased her from a lady in Lexington, NC. She has her own website. I don't want to say her name just yet, until I get my papers. But u can google "puppies for sale in Lexinton NC"

Ladymom 02-15-2008 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jezebel Dutches (Post 1763291)
I realize that she is in breach of our contract, but she lives in a different state, do I have to file court papers there?
Yes, you have to file with the court where she lives which would be Davidson County. I assume the price was less than $5,000 so you can file in small claims court.

Here's a great guide to the process:

http://www.legalaidnc.org/Public/Lea...t/default.aspx


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