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Murmer My son has a murmer and a problem w/ his QT (heart wave problem) It affects nothing about his daily life. Now, if they said a "hole in his heart" that is a bigger deal than a murmer (even though essentially they are same things just a worse grade). With murmers, not all vets catch them just as not all docs catch them. I wouldn't go ballistic on this lady before you talk to her. It is very common for breeders to do their own vaccinations (especially one that has been doing it for an extended period of time). Emeraldshowqueen is right, taking to the vets early before shots risks many things. Before you freak out (I know w/ many docs can have a terrible bedside manner and scare you out of your mind instead of informing you appropriately), talk to her, tell her how you feel. My guess is she will work it out with you if she is a good person. Give her a chance BEFORE you threaten her. If you threaten first, you will get her hackles up and if she feels you are calling her a bad breeder and she isn't really, she will be less likely to work something out to your satisfaction. It will be more trouble for you in the end. Remember, people and pets w/ heart murmers live long full lives w/o additional high medical bills. |
Sorry, to hear about your little one. I hope he is okay. |
I don't know if it will help you feel any better, but my first Yorkie had a slight heart murmur. It never created any issues and did go away when he got older. He was almost 12 when he passed away -- and not because of his heart. My vet just monitored it during his regular visits, but it was never, ever an issue. |
problem The breeder and vet tech did nothing illegal, but certainly acted unethical. You should have gotten a vet check record even if the breeder gave the shots as many do..the murmur should have been listed...but slight murmurs tend to diappear..but you should have been given the option to decline the puppy. I would certainly contact the vet who emplys the so called "vet tech" and tell them exactly what was said..and the fact she gave the vaccines...the vet will most likely take action if nothing else it cuts his bottom line of profits. Good Luck |
just wanted you to know I'm praying for you as you go about dealing with the breeder. Give Capone a snuggle from me -- I'll pray this heals and goes away. |
I'm so sorry Capone is facing this. I know you're already in love with him. I hope you can at least get some help with his vet bills. |
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I will say that if the guarantee only covers until the last set of shots, I don't think much of that guarantee. Definitely bring this up before then. The receipts should be plenty as far as getting the guarantee to stick; the health certificate really doesn't have anything to do with that, unless it's in some way worked into her guarantee. And if so, she would be in violation of her own contract for not getting it. Regarding the health certificate, unless Florida law is different than Oklahoma (which I realize is possible) the health certificate is not required for the sale of a puppy. It is required to ship the puppy. I often make vet trips for my parents, who breed Yorkies, and if we are not shipping the puppy we don't pay extra for the health certificate. All the certificate says is that they are fit to travel and not have a contagious disease. We DO, however, get the vet check and a letter on vet stationary stating the results. Regarding the heart murmur itself, I don't have a lot of experience with it....only one puppy ever had one, we kept him and he is now 9 months old and it has disappeared. It is my understanding that they do often go away as the pup grows up. I will be thinking of you; I hope this is resolved well and soon. As some have pointed out, although it sounds bad now, it may never actually be that much of a problem. |
Christina, I hope Capone's health is okay besides the murmur. I also hope that goes away. Please keep us informed on the situation with the breeder, I wish you the best of luck!' HUGS, Stacy |
I'm so sorry to hear that Capone is not perfectly healthy for you (and for HIM!). That really sucks ... As your vet probably told you, in FL it's illegal to sell puppies less than 8 weeks old, and they have to have a health certificate (they're good for 30 days from the date of issuance). Shots can be given at home by the breeder. Tail docking and dew claw removal can ALSO be done by the breeder if s/he so chooses, although they're usually done by the professionals. However, I'm not sure if the same rules apply in the case of a pet owner who happens to breed their dogs, versus the "professional" who (at least tries to) make their living from breeding dogs. It becomes a "grey zone" once they start charging for the pups. I hope she will at least refund part of your payment. My understanding is that they (the breeders) are not legally responsible for vet bills incurred by "defective" pups; they can be compelled to return the fee, but then you must return the pup. You cannot have both the money and the goods. What they do with it then .... :confused: :( But the damage is usually done the minute you set eyes on the pup. He's yours, and you'll do what you can to make him well. It's like a human child - no guarantees. I just hope that the "breeder" checks her parent stock to ensure that they're not passing on a genetic problem to their offspring. I hope everything goes will for Capone. |
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828.29. Dogs and cats transported or offered for sale; health requirements; consumer guarantee (1) (b) For each dog offered for sale within the state, the tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics required by this section must be administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian, licensed by the state and accredited by the United States Department of Agriculture, who issues the official certificate of veterinary inspection. The tests, vaccines, and anthelmintics must be administered before the dog is offered for sale in the state, unless the licensed, accredited veterinarian certifies on the official certificate of veterinary inspection that to inoculate or deworm the dog is not in the best medical interest of the dog, in which case the vaccine or anthelmintic may not be administered to that particular dog. Each dog must receive vaccines and anthelmintics against the following diseases and internal parasites: |
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If so, that would be a good protection for Buyers....Surely any breeder or vet tech should know this????? Although I guess I can see how an individual might not be aware of it....still, the vet tech should have known. |
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Puppies can have what they call an innocent flow murmur If you really want to get a good check for your pup take it to a Vet Cardiologist they can tell you right off if it is innocent or not. Which I would think if your vet truly that it was not an innocent murmur he would have advised you to go to a Vet Cardiologist. I dealt with this before in the Cavalier Breed. Also my son had a murmur but grew out of it. As for reporting your breeder, I do not know the laws in Florida but it sounds as if she is trying to work with you. Doing their own vaccines is a very normal thing not a neglectful situation. Ask yourself why do most dogs visit vets? Because they are sick. Germs are not something you want pups to be around so you try to avoid such situations. It sounds if this breeder is trying to work with you. I do think she should have had the vet check done before the pup being sold but as far as being neglectful in the puppy care it doesn't sound like she was other than not getting the actual vet check before leaving. Best wishes Deana Prestigeous Yorkies |
I'm sorry to read that he has a heart murmur. I hope it does go away with age. Miko had a heart murmur when we got him...He was around 13 weeks old, I think, and his heart murmur went away!! Thank goodness...Two different vets heard the heart murmur and were somewhat concerned, but it went away. Miko is almost 4 yrs old now, and I still have them check for that heart murmur when we goto the vet, but it's gone!! :) |
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In fact who could she sell the baby too if you took him back.. no one if she was honest and said what was wrong with him.. you would win.. fight for capone on this one.. I feel so bad for you your bf and both mr. biggs and capone.. hugs to you all and keep us informed of how things are going.. |
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