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MyTrixie143 01-28-2008 03:03 PM

TEACUPS, need your help!! Please!!
 
Alright so I am putting together a website and I will have a link on there with an explanation of what tea cups are (well really aren't) so buyers can know the facts. I think it is very important to try to educate others on this subject.

This is what I have so far:

There is no such thing as teacup yorkies, micro yorkies or miniature yorkies. The Yorkshire Terrier itself is of the toy group. The standard weight of the Yorkshire Terrier is “not to exceed 7 pounds". Many unreputable breeders use the word “teacup” as a ploy or other catchy phrases such as “micro tiny” to raise the sale price while taking advantage of those unfamiliar with the breed or the Yorkshire Terriers breed standard as stated by AKC. These breeders are salespeople convincing a buyer they're investing in something special. Reputable breeders occasionally will have smaller yorkies available although this is usually not what they breed for and they don’t advertise them as teacups so they can jack up the prices.

Dangers of owning a small yorkie:
What a lot of these so called “breeders” who sell “teacups” don’t tell you is the hardship in owning a smaller yorkie that is under 3 pounds. You have to extra careful with them as their bodies are more fragile then a standard size yorkie. One little bump on the head could end their life. When they get sick it is always serious because their bodies are so tiny that they can’t fight off infection very well. You also have to worry about their blood glucose and them having hypoglycemia attacks often if not fed every couple hours.
It is a lot of work and not everyone is cut out for owning a smaller yorkie.



I am just not sure about the wording, it seems a bit unorganized. I can be a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to this stuff so I would really like your help?

Any suggestions?

I just reread it and I think I should put something in there about the actual size of "teacups". Like "teacups" are considered yorkies that are under the three pound range?
I don't know what do you think?

grayxie 01-28-2008 03:10 PM

"teacups" are under the standard 4-7lb yorkie. or any other toy breed dog that is below the average standard weight. Although some may live very healthy and long lives, the chances of illness and injury are still possible.

You will also need to cite your references.

klassygirl 01-28-2008 03:41 PM

don't exsist
 
IMO, by saying they don't exsist you are losing credibility. Enough people have seen tiny babies to know they exsist, so by saying they don't people might ignore you. Maybe you can just say if someone is using that particular termonology they should be steered clear of, because they are out to rip people off.

hha 01-28-2008 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grayxie (Post 1709763)
"teacups" are under the standard 4-7lb yorkie. or any other toy breed dog that is below the average standard weight. Although some may live very healthy and long lives, the chances of illness and injury are still possible.

You will also need to cite your references.

The standard doesn't give a low weight, just up to 7 lbs

Mybabyboymax 01-28-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hha (Post 1710163)
The standard doesn't give a low weight, just up to 7 lbs

Does that mean that a 2 pound yorkie is within standards?

hha 01-28-2008 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mybabyboymax (Post 1710177)
Does that mean that a 2 pound yorkie is within standards?

Any yorkie under 7 lbs is standard..if you go to akc website
akc.org and look up yorkies it doesn't say 4-7 lbs. it says up to 7 lbs

Mybabyboymax 01-28-2008 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hha (Post 1710376)
Any yorkie under 7 lbs is standard..if you go to akc website
akc.org and look up yorkies it doesn't say 4-7 lbs. it says up to 7 lbs

ohhh ok thats good to know, thanks :-)

MyFairLacy 01-28-2008 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mybabyboymax (Post 1710177)
Does that mean that a 2 pound yorkie is within standards?

Yes, anything up to 7lbs is within the standard.

Here is what the YTCA says:
All breeders may occasionally have an unusually small Yorkie (hopefully healthy), though no responsible breeder breeds for this trait. Many breeders prefer a general weight range of 4-7 four pounds believing that size retains desired Toy qualities while maintaining optimum health. The Yorkie Standard states weight "must not exceed seven pounds" and as a prospective pet owner you should realize that even at 7 pounds, the Yorkie is still a small dog. (Females weighing less than 5 pounds are considered by most breeders to be unsuitable for breeding.)

love_me_cody 01-28-2008 08:14 PM

We need as many of these sites as we can get out there.


http://www.artesteacups.com/index.html

oopsmyhalofello 01-28-2008 08:22 PM

This is what I have so far:

There is no such thing as teacup yorkies, micro yorkies or miniature yorkies. The Yorkshire Terrier itself is of the toy group. The standard weight of the Yorkshire Terrier is “not to exceed 7 pounds". Many unreputable breeders use the word “teacup” as a ploy or other catchy phrases such as “micro tiny” to raise the sale price while taking advantage of those unfamiliar with the breed or the Yorkshire Terriers breed standard as stated by AKC. These breeders are salespeople convincing a buyer they're investing in something special. Reputable breeders occasionally will have smaller yorkies available although this is usually not what they breed for and they don’t advertise them as teacups so they can jack up the prices.

Dangers of owning a small yorkie:
What a lot of these so called “breeders” who sell “teacups” don’t tell you is the hardship in owning a smaller yorkie that is under 3 pounds. You have to extra careful with them as their bodies are more fragile then a standard size yorkie. One little bump on the head could end their life. When they get sick it is always serious because their bodies are so tiny that they can’t fight off infection very well. You also have to worry about their blood glucose and them having hypoglycemia attacks often if not fed every couple hours.
It is a lot of work and not everyone is cut out for owning a smaller yorkie.



I wouldn't use usually when talking about reputable breeders, otherwise it makes it sound that there are circumstances where it is ok to breed them.

yoyo27 01-28-2008 08:29 PM

Looks like you are taking a stand and doing your best to get the correct stuff out there.

MyTrixie143 01-28-2008 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klassygirl (Post 1709862)
IMO, by saying they don't exsist you are losing credibility. Enough people have seen tiny babies to know they exsist, so by saying they don't people might ignore you. Maybe you can just say if someone is using that particular termonology they should be steered clear of, because they are out to rip people off.

But in all reality they don't exist. When people hear the word teacup such as a teacup yorkie, they think it is a completely different breed of dog, not a size description. Most people don't know it is a size description, they really think it is another type of yorkie breed. I can't count how many times I have ran into someone who claimed to have a "teacup yorkie" and they really thought it was a different and better breed from the plain yorkie. I am not saying that smaller yorkies don't exist but rather that a "teacup yorkie" does not exist.


As for size the standard does say "must not exceed 7 pounds".

I have always thought of teacups to be considered under 3 pounds.
Brownie is 3.5 pounds and I never consider him to be a teacup size.

MyTrixie143 01-28-2008 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oopsmyhalofello (Post 1710733)
This is what I have so far:

There is no such thing as teacup yorkies, micro yorkies or miniature yorkies. The Yorkshire Terrier itself is of the toy group. The standard weight of the Yorkshire Terrier is “not to exceed 7 pounds". Many unreputable breeders use the word “teacup” as a ploy or other catchy phrases such as “micro tiny” to raise the sale price while taking advantage of those unfamiliar with the breed or the Yorkshire Terriers breed standard as stated by AKC. These breeders are salespeople convincing a buyer they're investing in something special. Reputable breeders occasionally will have smaller yorkies available although this is usually not what they breed for and they don’t advertise them as teacups so they can jack up the prices.

Dangers of owning a small yorkie:
What a lot of these so called “breeders” who sell “teacups” don’t tell you is the hardship in owning a smaller yorkie that is under 3 pounds. You have to extra careful with them as their bodies are more fragile then a standard size yorkie. One little bump on the head could end their life. When they get sick it is always serious because their bodies are so tiny that they can’t fight off infection very well. You also have to worry about their blood glucose and them having hypoglycemia attacks often if not fed every couple hours.
It is a lot of work and not everyone is cut out for owning a smaller yorkie.



I wouldn't use usually when talking about reputable breeders, otherwise it makes it sound that there are circumstances where it is ok to breed them.


Great point!! Thanks for pointing that out, I will make sure to delete that part.:thumbup:

MyTrixie143 01-28-2008 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1710720)
We need as many of these sites as we can get out there.


http://www.artesteacups.com/index.html

Wow that is a great site!! Thanks!!
I wonder if they will let me include their link on my site about teacups?

bbrewser 01-28-2008 09:32 PM

It's great that you are informing people about the issue of "teacup" yorkies, when you get it up please let us know, I'd like to check it out!:)

I found this website and was appalled at her definition of "teacup", it also says that her website is "the number one yorkie website in the world"...hmm

www.yorkiepup.com/teacupword.html

love_me_cody 01-28-2008 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyTrixie143 (Post 1710791)
Wow that is a great site!! Thanks!!
I wonder if they will let me include their link on my site about teacups?

I have no idea. It would be great if we can come up with new things that isn't on the site. Also mention that there is no such thing as imperials (shih tzus unless you just want to explain about yorkies) also.

LunasMomma 01-28-2008 09:42 PM

I think adding something about growth would be good too. As we've all seen, a tiny pup can become a teapot, and a larger puppy can turn out to be small as an adult. So if you pay extra for a "teacup", there's no guarantee that the pup will stay tiny.

Give me a 7lber anyday, I tell ya:laugh: MUCH less worrying;)

MyTrixie143 01-28-2008 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbrewser (Post 1710842)
It's great that you are informing people about the issue of "teacup" yorkies, when you get it up please let us know, I'd like to check it out!:)

I found this website and was appalled at her definition of "teacup", it also says that her website is "the number one yorkie website in the world"...hmm

www.yorkiepup.com/teacupword.html

That is Jeff Danes website. Sadly it is one of the biggest websites out there. He is a huge puppy miller so naturally you can't believe anything he says. It just irks me that he comes off as so misleading and knowledgeable to unsuspecting buyers.:mad:

Pinkluver 01-28-2008 10:31 PM

He actually Charges 10,000 For a Yorkie? HOLY CRAP, I know its wrong for him to take advantage of people, but if a person is seriously THAT stupid I think they might deserve to pay 10,000 for a dog. I can't imagine people being that dumb...It just amazes me! The whole website makes me SICK!

love_me_cody 01-28-2008 10:49 PM

yeah, some people has the money and likes to spend it. Some even think the more money, the better the quality which isn't true. Like Yorkymom from Youtube likes to chare $3000-$5000 per a dog because they are suppose to be the 'best lines' (Maxamillion?) and are micros? Talking about dragging a line into the ground!

SassyLikeMom 01-28-2008 10:50 PM

I don't understand why people make a big fuss about this, over and over.

Sorry, but right now the demand is for the little ones, and that makes the monetary value of the little ones much higher. How many reputable breeders out there do not charge more money if they have a little one??! I'd love to know one....that person would be getting a lot of business from me!!

The fact of the matter is that people will pay more money for a tiny baby. And using the term teacup is just using a descriptive adjective!! Get over it!

love_me_cody 01-28-2008 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SassyLikeMom (Post 1710933)
I don't understand why people make a big fuss about this, over and over.

Sorry, but right now the demand is for the little ones, and that makes the monetary value of the little ones much higher. How many reputable breeders out there do not charge more money if they have a little one??! I'd love to know one....that person would be getting a lot of business from me!!

The fact of the matter is that people will pay more money for a tiny baby. And using the term teacup is just using a descriptive adjective!! Get over it!

LOL..... We can do whatever we want. If she wants to create a site, she can. If WE have an opinion about something, OH WELL! It's our opinion...
Are you a breeder? if so...
Do you sell Teacups?

What's the point at getting mad because people want to get the word out about how people are lying?

Pinkluver 01-28-2008 10:58 PM

You know I agree to some extent the cost of a yorkie is about supply and demand, but lets get real, 1,000 - 2,000 is a good price for a yorkie in most areas but $10,000 thats seriously INSANE.
As far as the word teacup, it causes confusion, for instance my mother in law thought (because a friend of hers has 3 yorkies) that there were differant types of yorkies (standard, toy and Teacup) I had to explain to her that she was infact wrong and that a standard Yorkie is 7lbs or under. But that there is not a seperate breed that is Toy or Tea cup, it is all one breed, some are just smaller than others.

SassyLikeMom 01-28-2008 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1710936)
LOL..... We can do whatever we want. If she wants to create a site, she can. If WE have an opinion about something, OH WELL! It's our opinion...
Are you a breeder? if so...
Do you sell Teacups?

What's the point at getting mad because people want to get the word out about how people are lying?


I'm not mad, I just get annoyed at all the posts on here about teacups. I don't see many breeders posting ads saying we have standard, toy, and teacup yorkies, granted I do see some, but mostly I see them use the word teacup as a descriptive adjective. And really, why is it such a big deal if someone uses those terms in their advertising? It's just better enabling potential buyers to weed through ads and easily find what they are looking for. It's not necessarily lying, it's just being descriptive.

And no, I'm not a breeder, I'm mom to two very cute "TEACUP" babies!!

Pinkluver 01-28-2008 11:59 PM

It is a shame people do not educate themselves more. But a good breeder should explain what a TRUE yorkie to standard is, and that there isn't another 'type' of yorkie called a tea-cup. There are for instance differant types of Poodles (standard and toy...) and some people probably just assume its the same type of thing. I think its partly the responsibilty of a reputable breeder to educate the person buying their puppy. Almost even more so than the buyer. A good breeder only wants the best home for their puppies.

Itspuppyluv 01-29-2008 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SassyLikeMom (Post 1710954)
I'm not mad, I just get annoyed at all the posts on here about teacups. I don't see many breeders posting ads saying we have standard, toy, and teacup yorkies, granted I do see some, but mostly I see them use the word teacup as a descriptive adjective. And really, why is it such a big deal if someone uses those terms in their advertising? It's just better enabling potential buyers to weed through ads and easily find what they are looking for. It's not necessarily lying, it's just being descriptive.

And no, I'm not a breeder, I'm mom to two very cute "TEACUP" babies!!

It can get annoying when subjects are brought up over and over but that is because we already know this stuff. People will read this thread or go to MyTrixie's website that are still learning and will have never seen this information before.

There are people that think it is a different type of yorkie and people that do pay more for teacups that end up much larger than promised. We've seen many of them here on YT. There are breeders that lie about it. Warning people (even over and over ;) ) can't hurt and will help someone.

bjh 01-29-2008 05:32 AM

Personally, I think the focus should not be on the term 'teacup' because that just describes a very small Yorkie. We should focus on the ethics and dangers of breeding very tiny Yorkies and the health issues of tiny Yorkies. When I get calls asking if mine are teacups I don't go into a tirade about the term. I just explain to them what I think my puppies will weight and I tell them they need to be very careful about purchasing a very tiny Yorkie because they have a lot of health issues and are much more delicate.

MorkieAZ 01-29-2008 05:54 AM

I saw a website yesterday that used the treminology..."TEASPOON":eek: :eek: :eek:

Pinkluver 01-29-2008 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1711133)
Personally, I think the focus should not be on the term 'teacup' because that just describes a very small Yorkie. We should focus on the ethics and dangers of breeding very tiny Yorkies and the health issues of tiny Yorkies. When I get calls asking if mine are teacups I don't go into a tirade about the term. I just explain to them what I think my puppies will weight and I tell them they need to be very careful about purchasing a very tiny Yorkie because they have a lot of health issues and are much more delicate.

I agree, the word TEACUP itself isn't what causes tons of damage,it is the lack or explination behind using the word, its the bad things that come with trying to breed a 2lb yorkie by breeding tiny males and females, its the bad things that come when somebody purchases their cute TEACUP yorkie only for it to be sickly or be to hard for them to take care of. I do realize smaller yorkies are the 'cool' thing to have, and (some not all) breeders are going to take advantage of that.

bjh 01-29-2008 07:20 AM

I have a website called YorkieTips.com that I am just getting ready to start working on. I have got so many fabulous tips and ideas from YT. I hope I can use that website to help educate people on the important issues involved in owning, breeding and showing Yorkies. We all need to work together for the welfare of the breed and we don't always have to agree on technicalities (teacup) but focus on healthy, sound Yorkies.


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