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BamaFan121s 11-16-2007 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by lidarose (Post 1524883)
How are akc registries compromised by this? When most people get a ckc dog they realize their chances of having a mix are increased, that's why they are less costly, but they know they can trace their dog somewhat. When people pay high dollars for an akc dog they expect a better quality dog and they expect papers to prove it.
AKC (or any registry) compromised by dishonest info being turned in on registrations...not compromised by this particular situation. And why is it exactly that people have an increased chace of having a mix? Oh yeah, because people reg their dogs as purebred willy nilly without any proof of them being such.:thumbdown

lidarose 11-16-2007 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1524909)
AKC (or any registry) compromised by dishonest info being turned in on registrations...not compromised by this particular situation. And why is it exactly that people have an increased chace of having a mix? Oh yeah, because people reg their dogs as purebred willy nilly without any proof of them being such.:thumbdown
So, an akc registration is PROOF that your dog is a purebred? Because we all know that akc dogs are just registered as such. If a breeder has an akc yorkie and it gets pregnant by an akc maltese, how many times do you think that litter is registered as pure? They sure look like purebred yorkies and there's a male registered yorkie on the premises and they are worthless without their akc papers. I know there are honest breeders out there, but there are also dishonest ones and there's no way to know that somewhere along the line your akc dog hasn't been prey to this. It's just a peice of paper, talk about your crayons, you can have a breed standard and strive to achieve it, but a PURE breed dog? IMO there's no such animal.

hha 11-16-2007 09:22 AM
I'm sorry, but AKC papers mean NOTHING to me..I had an akc registerd pom..was it a real pom??? NO! Don't think there aren't dishonest people out there registering with AKC...it happens! Then when I got ahold of akc, and sent them pictures of this so called pom, hummm, they lost the pictures..
this is what dna testing is going to prove..and I think a lot of breeders, that have sold akc, ckc, or whatever else they're registered with, are going to find themselves in some trouble..

yougetthesmiles 11-16-2007 09:24 AM
What bloodlines were used to establish the Yorkshire Terrier is subject to much speculation, due to the fact that the breeders of these dogs did not write down who was bred to whom. If they liked the spirit and looks of the dogs, they mated them. It was chancey at best.
It is guessed that the Yorkshire county miners crossed the Black and Tan English Terrier, this dog was rough-coated, and the long-coated, blue-gray Waterside Terrier breeds were infused in the Scottish Terriers. The Maltese and Skye Terrier are also possibilities.

I agree, no dog is pure bred, they were crossed with other breeds to get what breed they wanted.

roosmom 11-16-2007 09:31 AM
Not to be off subject but IMO it would be better if there was more mixing and less pure breeding...pure pred dogs have so many genetic defects it's ridiculous and my pure bred yorkie has had so many health problems! I love her to death but can't help but think that she would be so much better if she had a little maltese or poodle or whatever in her! Healthy dogs are so much more important to me than a "pure" one. (I understand the issue with the unethicality though and that's wrong/dishonest but if they were never mixed would the breed survive ultimately anyway? Haven't yorkie's been bred down from what they were originally?)

BamaFan121s 11-16-2007 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by lidarose (Post 1524955)
So, an akc registration is PROOF that your dog is a purebred? Because we all know that akc dogs are just registered as such. If a breeder has an akc yorkie and it gets pregnant by an akc maltese, how many times do you think that litter is registered as pure? They sure look like purebred yorkies and there's a male registered yorkie on the premises and they are worthless without their akc papers.
You are missing the point...I AGREE with you. ANY one of ANY registry can lie and therefore the papers are worthless. I have been saying that for a looooonggg time.

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Originally Posted by lidarose (Post 1524955)
I know there are honest breeders out there, but there are also dishonest ones and there's no way to know that somewhere along the line your akc dog hasn't been prey to this. It's just a peice of paper, talk about your crayons, you can have a breed standard and strive to achieve it, but a PURE breed dog? IMO there's no such animal.
You are right...you really have no idea if one of the AKC dogs in the line somewhere wasn't prey to this, but that doesn't justify reg a dog that you have NO background info on right off the bat. I understand you point about there being 'no such animal.' If that is the case, why reg them at all?

hha 11-16-2007 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by yougetthesmiles (Post 1524968)
What bloodlines were used to establish the Yorkshire Terrier is subject to much speculation, due to the fact that the breeders of these dogs did not write down who was bred to whom. If they liked the spirit and looks of the dogs, they mated them. It was chancey at best.
It is guessed that the Yorkshire county miners crossed the Black and Tan English Terrier, this dog was rough-coated, and the long-coated, blue-gray Waterside Terrier breeds were infused in the Scottish Terriers. The Maltese and Skye Terrier are also possibilities.

I agree, no dog is pure bred, they were crossed with other breeds to get what breed they wanted.
Actually, there is one purebred that was never crossed with anytning(just read up on that awhile back), and it's the maltese...every other dog has been mixed along the way with another breed..

RandomHeart 11-16-2007 09:53 AM
that's a sad story, I have no advice, b/c i have never been in this situation, but i wish you good luck ...

hha 11-16-2007 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by roosmom (Post 1524995)
Not to be off subject but IMO it would be better if there was more mixing and less pure breeding...pure pred dogs have so many genetic defects it's ridiculous and my pure bred yorkie has had so many health problems! I love her to death but can't help but think that she would be so much better if she had a little maltese or poodle or whatever in her! Healthy dogs are so much more important to me than a "pure" one. (I understand the issue with the unethicality though and that's wrong/dishonest but if they were never mixed would the breed survive ultimately anyway? Haven't yorkie's been bred down from what they were originally?)
I whole heartedly agree with you..this is why my sister used to breed the morkies..of course, she has been cut down by a lot of people for doing this, there was a high demand for them where she is in Illinois, and those babies always went quick!

BamaFan121s 11-16-2007 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by roosmom (Post 1524995)
Not to be off subject but IMO it would be better if there was more mixing and less pure breeding...pure pred dogs have so many genetic defects it's ridiculous and my pure bred yorkie has had so many health problems!
But at least with a purebred, you know what genetic defects the dog is at risk for. These issues are (ideally) emiminated by very careful breeding--any dogs with this issues are eliminated from breeding stock. Every breed is subject to breed specific ailments. If you combine them, you've done nothing but double the offsprings chance of having them passed on. And just because the illness didn't present itself in the first generation doesn't mean it won't show up down the line. Purebreds with lots of health problems are more commonly the result of irresponsible, poor breeding, not because the dog was a purebred.

Breny 11-16-2007 10:01 AM
:wavey: hi !!!

Missy, whats Baby's temp this afternoon? :p

roosmom 11-16-2007 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1525077)
But at least with a purebred, you know what genetic defects the dog is at risk for. These issues are (ideally) emiminated by very careful breeding--any dogs with this issues are eliminated from breeding stock. Every breed is subject to breed specific ailments. If you combine them, you've done nothing but double the offsprings chance of having them passed on. And just because the illness didn't present itself in the first generation doesn't mean it won't show up down the line. Purebreds with lots of health problems are more commonly the result of irresponsible, poor breeding, not because the dog was a purebred.
That's not true that it would double the risk because most genetic illnesses are recessive meaning that two dogs that both have the genetic recessive mating would be more likely to get it than one dog that has the recessive and one that doesn't have the gene. Now I'm not saying this is true for all genetic diseases but cross breeding does cut down on the risk for example- my yorkipoo puppy is still at risk for knee displasia so that must be dominant but it is very unlikely that she will get liver shunts. Now if you take my spaniel/rottweiller/??? mutt she has ZERO defects- 100% healthy dog- it's just a fact that pure breds tend to have more genetic problems- whether you try to breed them out or not!

BamaFan121s 11-16-2007 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by roosmom (Post 1525118)
That's not true that it would double the risk because most genetic illnesses are recessive meaning that two dogs that both have the genetic recessive mating would be more likely to get it than one dog that has the recessive and one that doesn't have the gene. Now I'm not saying this is true for all genetic diseases but cross breeding does cut down on the risk for example- my yorkipoo puppy is still at risk for knee displasia so that must be dominant but it is very unlikely that she will get liver shunts. Now if you take my spaniel/rottweiller/??? mutt she has ZERO defects- 100% healthy dog- it's just a fact that pure breds tend to have more genetic problems- whether you try to breed them out or not!

No, it is not fact, it's an opinion.:rolleyes: And let me assure you, I am fully aware of what recessive and dominant are. ;) I didn't study genetics and take cellular and reproductive biology for nothing. :P
Comparing the health of your own dogs does provide enough info for you to claim that to be a 'fact.' Are there additional sources of your claim? I would suggest reading 'Contol of Canine Genetic Diseases' by Dr. George Padgett who has done lots of extensive research on the subject. IMO, it is like the bible for any breeder striving to produce healthy generations. There are some very eye opening, FACTS that are explained. The offspring of cross bred dogs ARE capable of contracting the same diseases. In addition, there is conclusive evidence that there are additional conditions (try 102) likely to occur in the offspring of cross bred dogs that are not prevalent in purebreds. So I guess technically, it doesn't double the risk, it triples it.

roosmom 11-16-2007 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1525163)
No, it is not fact, it's an opinion.:rolleyes: And let me assure you, I am fully aware of what recessive and dominant are. ;)
Comparing the health of your own dogs does provide enough info for you to claim that to be a 'fact.' I would suggest reading 'Contol of Canine Genetic Diseases' by Dr. George Padgett who has done lots of extensive research on the subject. There are some very eye opening, FACTS that are explained. The offspring of cross bred dogs ARE capable of contracting the same diseases. In addition, there is conclusive evidence that there are additional conditions (try 102) likely to occur in the offspring of cross bred dogs that are not prevalent in purebreds.
That may be true and my yorkipoo that's only been cross bred once may not be a good example however- "purebred" MUTTS who are crossed and crossed and crossed so much you have no idea what they really are do not have the problems pure breds do and while that may not be a "fact" as far as I don't have an article in a veterinarian journal (though if you'd like me to write a term paper about it I'm sure I could- though I may be a little rusty lol) to back it up- they are much less likely to have problems than a pure bred dog (and I think- definitely don't quote me on this one though- that probably the toy pure bred dogs are even worse with having problems but I'm not an expert and I certainly haven't studied up on it enough to know for sure).

lidarose 11-16-2007 10:25 AM
Too bad breeders weren't more concerned with health issues than with breed standards, if that were the case and the majority of breeders actually were more concerned about the health of their 'purebreds' than acheiving some 'standard' or 'smaller size' of the breed, then we would have healthier, if sub-standard yorkies. And if breeders know there is a genetic problem in the family of their akc dog, why are they breeding them and why is it allowed?

BamaFan121s 11-16-2007 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lidarose (Post 1525182)
Too bad breeders weren't more concerned with health issues than with breed standards, if that were the case and the majority of breeders actually were more concerned about the health of their 'purebreds' than acheiving some 'standard' or 'smaller size' of the breed, then we would have healthier, if sub-standard yorkies. And if breeders know there is a genetic problem in the family of their akc dog, why are they breeding them and why is it allowed?
You are absolutely correct! :thumbup: BOTH should be major concerns. And that's not to say that there aren't breeders out there that do...because there are...many are members here...they are just outnumbered by those trying to make a quick buck by meeting the current demand.:(

BamaFan121s 11-16-2007 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by roosmom (Post 1525180)
That may be true and my yorkipoo that's only been cross bred once may not be a good example however- "purebred" MUTTS who are crossed and crossed and crossed so much you have no idea what they really are do not have the problems pure breds do and while that may not be a "fact" as far as I don't have an article in a veterinarian journal (though if you'd like me to write a term paper about it I'm sure I could- though I may be a little rusty lol) to back it up- they are much less likely to have problems than a pure bred dog (and I think- definitely don't quote me on this one though- that probably the toy pure bred dogs are even worse with having problems but I'm not an expert and I certainly haven't studied up on it enough to know for sure).
Could very well be. Most genetic disorders exist because of the breeding (over 100s yrs time) the same traits to create a breed. With dogs that are mutts by many generations, I'm sure those have become so diluted that they are a minimal threat. Don't know if there have been any long term studies to examine the fact...never had a reason for needing to know. I won't argue with you on that one because I don't care...never had the need to research that in depth. (yay...no term paper needed for you!) But I don't think that means we should all strive to have a world full of all mutts. Poor mutts...no one loves them.:p ;)
And I'm sure toys are more likely to contract one as the current demand for toy dogs is causing them to be mass produced by people who don't really give a crap.

roosmom 11-16-2007 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1525207)
Poor mutts...no one loves them.:p ;)
Heeeeey!!! I love my little mutt dog just as much as my designer and pure bred yorkies! Now if only I could teach her to quit eating the frozen chicken breasts from the counter...I suppose there are some benefits to having my little pure bred toy pups that can barely climb the stairs...much less reach the counter =)

lidarose 11-16-2007 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1525194)
You are absolutely correct! :thumbup: BOTH should be major concerns. And that's not to say that there aren't breeders out there that do...because there are...many are members here...they are just outnumbered by those trying to make a quick buck by meeting the current demand.:(
:cheer: At least we agree on somethings! What I don't understand is why akc is so lax about this and how come so many people can breed this way through akc? I would think that they would have higher standards and check up on breeders more, especially the ones that are purposely downsizing the breed. You hardly ever see someone advertising a teeny tiny yorkie with ckc papers, I guess I just don't have the respect for akc that I use to and I KNOW that there are fabulous breeders out there, it's not the registry that impresses me - it's the breeder.

lidarose 11-16-2007 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by roosmom (Post 1525228)
Heeeeey!!! I love my little mutt dog just as much as my designer and pure bred yorkies! Now if only I could teach her to quit eating the frozen chicken breasts from the counter...I suppose there are some benefits to having my little pure bred toy pups that can barely climb the stairs...much less reach the counter =)
Did you say 'little mutt dog'?:yelrotflm

BamaFan121s 11-16-2007 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by lidarose (Post 1525229)
:cheer: At least we agree on somethings! What I don't understand is why akc is so lax about this and how come so many people can breed this way through akc? I would think that they would have higher standards and check up on breeders more, especially the ones that are purposely downsizing the breed. You hardly ever see someone advertising a teeny tiny yorkie with ckc papers, I guess I just don't have the respect for akc that I use to and I KNOW that there are fabulous breeders out there, it's not the registry that impresses me - it's the breeder.
Looks like we argree on several things. :)

BamaFan121s 11-16-2007 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by roosmom (Post 1525228)
Heeeeey!!! I love my little mutt dog just as much as my designer and pure bred yorkies! Now if only I could teach her to quit eating the frozen chicken breasts from the counter...I suppose there are some benefits to having my little pure bred toy pups that can barely climb the stairs...much less reach the counter =)
Blech...raw chicken. :confuse2: No part in that equations sounds good to me. I was joking about the loving your mutt thing! Best dog I EVER had was a mutt named Rocky Noodle.:D

Superstarkba 11-16-2007 10:52 AM
I never got a copy of Dakotas papers, and I still paid 850 for her.

lidarose 11-16-2007 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1525248)
Blech...raw chicken. :confuse2: No part in that equations sounds good to me. I was joking about the loving your mutt thing! Best dog I EVER had was a mutt named Rocky Noodle.:D
Knew you were joking, they are all mutts at heart! My best dog right now is a rescue 'mutt' I know he's part poodle but the rest - ?. Poor old fella, he'd spent so much of his life in a cage that he didn't know to go to the food and water bowls, for months we had to take them to him, inching him closer and closer. He came from an akc breeder of poodles but he's a mutt!

hha 11-16-2007 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lidarose (Post 1525229)
:cheer: At least we agree on somethings! What I don't understand is why akc is so lax about this and how come so many people can breed this way through akc? I would think that they would have higher standards and check up on breeders more, especially the ones that are purposely downsizing the breed. You hardly ever see someone advertising a teeny tiny yorkie with ckc papers, I guess I just don't have the respect for akc that I use to and I KNOW that there are fabulous breeders out there, it's not the registry that impresses me - it's the breeder.
Because AKC loves the money!

yougetthesmiles 11-16-2007 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Breny (Post 1525105)
:wavey: hi !!!

Missy, whats Baby's temp this afternoon? :p
I just took it at 2pm and it was 99.1 prior to that it was 97.5, I wish I knew why it goes up and down :confused:

roosmom 11-16-2007 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lidarose (Post 1525236)
Did you say 'little mutt dog'?:yelrotflm
Why yes I did- and I call them all that even the purebred =)

roosmom 11-16-2007 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1525248)
Blech...raw chicken. :confuse2: No part in that equations sounds good to me. I was joking about the loving your mutt thing! Best dog I EVER had was a mutt named Rocky Noodle.:D
I know! And FROZEN raw chicken at that....so gross- and not a trace of it to be found only a littl while later....you wouldn't believe the things she's eaten and lived to do it again! little monster!

lidarose 11-16-2007 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by roosmom (Post 1525741)
Why yes I did- and I call them all that even the purebred =)
I was being sarcastic about the 'little' mutt getting on the counter. I call all mine mutts too!

roosmom 11-16-2007 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lidarose (Post 1525811)
I was being sarcastic about the 'little' mutt getting on the counter. I call all mine mutts too!
oh lol yeah...well I always thought her 35 lbs was on the smaller side until I ended up with a 2 1/4 lb yorkie =)


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