Nature vs. Nurture
 

How much of a dog's temperament has to do with genes?:confused:

I'm beginning to give up on Thor. He was raised by myself and my family and was very socialized as a puppy. Why is he still terribly aggressive with some dogs, and children? He'll be just fine, and then snap! Or he'll just be aggressive from the start. We've done training at home, gotten professional help...He was doing MUCH better, but recently he's been terrible!!! He just bit my mom this evening. He's bitten about four children in the past, and I'm so fed up with him. (Our family has NEVER had a dog like him)

I am SO anti hitting (corporal punishment), but some people have suggested this, and I'm feeling like I have nothing left. I'm ready to give up. I'm feeling really down about him right now. I guess since getting Harry, and being confronted by such an obedient, wonderful, sweet, loving little doggie all the time Thor's bad behavior (aggression) has really been put in my face.

After he bit my mom today I spanked his butt a few times, but I just feel SOO horrible and sad about doing that. Right now he's moping in his bed with a muzzle on.

I'm just really sad about Thor, and wish he was a good dog...Like Harry.:cry8: :cry8:

Sorry so long.

I hate to say it and I wouldn't have a few months ago, but training is the best for them...I know that Max is a GSD but you need to get him in a obedience training course you wouldn't believe the difference..I know he is just a little furbaby but I am going to get Bear and Lexie in a course...:)

We just finished a six week course. He make a lot of progress and I was really proud. We worked really hard. Now this...He's upset me to tears.

A lot of it is genes, that's why you should ask to see the parents. I didn't know that when we got Loki. I knew you should ask to see mom and dad, but I thought it was for looks and size, not temperament. Now I know that. I also now know why pups should stay with mom and dad and siblings until 12 weeks, so they learn "manners". We got Loki after 12 weeks, but mom was not there and neither were litter mates. Even though we got him into classes right away and he has continued classes since (he's 2) we still have trouble with him, but it's manageable. He is a brat around big dogs and he's kind of possessive. But, through working with our trainer we have made a TON of progress. Some of his problem is temperament and some is fear/reactivity. We try to be very consistent and give him IMMEDIATE time outs if he acts up. He only gets attention when he is good or does what we ask. I don't think our trainer will ever understand how much she has helped us. Without her I would have a complete monster on my hands. Instead he is only about 5% monster :D

It's not necessary to revert to "old school" obedience. We use positive training (same as clicker). The problem with the old school punishment methods is actually 2 main things. First, a dog who is already fearful will become more fearful. Second, unless you are an expert/professional you won't have the timing to do the corrections. You'll end up punishing the dog for the wrong thing. And in addition to that, to do a correction you truly have to HURT the dog. The idea with old school corrections is you only have to do them once or twice because you hurt the dog and they won't do it again. Trust me, you really don't want to hurt your dog. You can potentially make the problem WORSE because now they are even more afraid and/or their fear is justified. As in - Birds are scary so he barks at them. (Leash Pop) OUCH! OK birds really are scary, when he sees them he feels pain.

Positive training is good for us because it helps us communicate. Loki would snap at us when we picked him up while he was lying down. Not only did the trainer give me some common sense advice like - would YOU like to be picked up while sleeping? But also had me teach him a "move" command so I just ask him to move over on the couch rather than just picking him up and moving him. He is always happy to move, especially when he gets a treat sometimes for doing what I told him!

Wow thanks for that. It sounds like you've done a fantastic job with your guy. When my fam. bought Thor for me, no of us knew "what not to do". I think he was from a broker. He was 8 weeks old when I got him. The last of the litter, and his parents were in the 'next town over' cause the guy was selling the pups for "his friend". Needless to say, no one saw the parents, and when I called him, he never answered my calls. SO...who know's Thor's past.

Did you work with a professional trainer? We just did six weeks in a small class which was great.

I'm just at my wits end. I know that spanking/hitting, using negative reinforcement on them is horrible, and only makes them scared of you, but I feel like nothing's gonna work! Especially if he goes to bite children. That's NOT okay!

I guess I just need to vent. I really appreciate you posting your story, for it's very inspirational.

Just a thought!
 

You mean why he's showing regression in his trainning? Maybe...

I am thinking the same too. Maybe he is jealous with Harry? And be careful of what you think of wanting to give up on him. They are very sensitive. He might have sensed it.

Jealousy
 

Itz something to consider ...

always ask... What changed recently to make his behaviour change???