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klogan 04-28-2005 12:14 PM

He typically holds it until I take him out. If not, he goes on his pad.

skimandfrank 04-28-2005 01:31 PM

I feel your pain
 
Skittles has been home for 2 wks tomorrow (she's 9 wks old tomorrow). She gets up every 2-3 hrs. & cries. Most of the time (3 out of 4 times) she has to use the bathroom - but I, like you, am starting to feel the wear & tear of no sleep. My other Yorkie Pebbles was 10 wks when I brought her home & she whined all night the 1st night & that was it.

My doggies sleep together & I put a shirt that I've worn to bed the night before in the bed w/them - that seems to help quiet things down some.

Anyway, please know that I'm wishing you a restful sleep! Please wish the same for me. I love Skittles very much & I'll keep this up as long as I must!!

Kim :aimeeyork

mamaboy 04-28-2005 04:38 PM

Hello, Colby's dad here, What I like to do with Colby is take him for a walk at about 8 P.M. for about a half hour. This gets the last of his energy out so he can have a good nights sleep. Most of the times he will fall asleep on the couch at 9:30 and sleeps the whole night.Perhaps running around the house before bed time may just get your Yorkie all fired up and wants to keep playing. Good Luck Mamaboy :thumbup:

DanteCarbajal 05-02-2005 11:08 PM

Here's a proven training method that WORKS for Yapping!
 
Okay, I had this sam problem and this is what I did. I had to pay $3,00 in dog training to find it out, though! My Yorkie was on her way out at that time, becasue she yapped and barked all night and anytime she was in her crate!!

Here's what we did:

1) we covered her crate with a blanket to keep it dark, THEN
2) I put her crate right next to me so I could reach it from bed (do this after the crate is covered s her/she can't see what you are doing. If she knows she is by your bed, she will cry to be IN the bed with you!).
3) EVERY time she whines or hollars, I would PICK UP the crate and shake it (not so much to hurt him/her, just to startle them. Since the crate is covered, they won't know it is you and they think "Everytime I make noises, the forces of GOD shake my crate!!!) or I would bang my hand on the crate LOUDLY and just as obnoxiously as she was being.
4) Immediately after I did #3, I would say (VERY CALMLY) "QUIET!" You have to say it in a deep, manly voice, Yorkies don't listen to screechy women voices!
5) Make sure that AS SOON as he/she quiets down, you say "Good boy/girl! Good Quiet!!" Say it in a really encouraging/praising voice!
6) The more obnoxious she would continue to be, the more I reciprocated that behavior by shaking her crate. Again, you don't want her to know you are doing it, so keep the crate covered or they will just be afraid of you.. Also, don't Scream at them.


Now, if he starts up immediately after or you praise him, shake that crate again or bang loudly on the top. MAKE SURE YOU DO THIS IMMEDIATELY (AS SOON AS HE WHIMPERS OR BARKS,ETC), NOT A MINUTE LATER OR HE WON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS HAPPENING!! Also, you cannot even let him/her get away with whimpering. I thought if I let Daisy cry, but not yelp, that we'd be "fair" to her. The trainer sid that the whining is what gets worked up to the barking and yapping, so don't ven allow that! You can tailor your response to the degree of the noise he/she is making (ie; not shaking it so hard unless she is being highly obnoxious, so he knows the difference).

Another key is to NEVER take your pup out when he/she is whining. NEVER! Once you do this once or twice, he/she will learn to whine until they get what they want becasue it worked that ONE time! Be persistant! This method works with all of my puppies, also! With them, I use a shaker can and either a) bang it against their crate or b) Throw it against their crate or on the floor (both get results!). Before you take your pup out, get it to be quiet for a moment, then say "Good Girl/Boy! That's a good quiet!" Then you can take him/her out.

You always want to use the same word "Quiet!" or whatever you will use. With my puppies, I say "NO! Quiet!" They know I mean business; but I love them to death!! I just don't allow ANY yapping in my house - ever!! I allow barking only if they are playing or if someone comes to the door, but even that, they can only bark one minute, then that is it!! I say "that's enough, thank you!" They know and will stop or I'll take the fly swatter and smack it on the counter (I don't know why my Yorkies are deathly afraid of the fly swatter!!). The reason I am so strict with my Yorkies is becasue I could probably tolerate a lot more, but not everyone else will, so if something ever happened to me, I odn't want my Yorkies being bounced from home to home, just becasue I was too lazy or lax to discipline them. They are just like babies/kids, so don't let them get away with it or they'll only get worse!

Anove all , be careful and please use my system it works, I have 3 Yorkies and 5-7 puppies at all times; it works.

I do have one adult Yorkie that I just bought who is TERRIBLE and he screetches and yelps all night! I bought him a static collar receiver. Everytime he yelps, whimpers, etc, I give one audible beep warning, then if he does it again, i let him know he should not be doing that by pressing the static button an dit gives him a little static shock (it doesn't hurt, but it really gets his attention). Then I say "NO, Quiet!" I love, it; I keep the receiver remote by my bed and I have learned to even press it in my sleep without waking up!! Haha! He knows; Mommy loves you, but she means BUSINESS! His yelping has decreased by 50% alrady and we have been doing this for only a week.

My first Yorkie kept us up so much that we put her crate in the garage! She eventually learned to yelp loud enough that I could hear her in my master bedroom, with the door closed and all other doors between us closed! I thought I WAS GOING TO ACCIDENTALLY murder HER BECAUSE I WASN'T SLEEPING at all and I HATE barking (because I worry about my neighbors, plus it is highly irritating)!! She never stopped yapping! Ever! I finally put her in "doggie boot camp" training for 4 weeks! That is how I learned all of these techniques and they work, so use them and email me with any questions! I am at: info@YorkieCouture.com

Reese 05-03-2005 08:02 AM

Thank you all for all your help!!!
I actually went away for the weekend and my boyfriend was with her and she slept all night. She did wake up this morning at about 6AM (which is not all that bad) and he just said "Shhh" and she was quiet for a few minutes then cried a little bit and he just said "Quiet" and she was quiet until I took her out a little before 7AM. It was amazing. I think she just hears my voice and wants to play but when she hears his voice she knows he mean business??? I guess I will have to try to practice my deeper voice, lol. :)

I will see how she does for the rest of the week since he is going on business for two nights, if I am not able to get anywhere I will give all of your suggestions a shot. I actually thought about the blanket technique but I was not sure if I was going to suffocate her. Thanks again everyone! :)

Bodhi'sMom 05-03-2005 10:32 AM

Just read this thread. I am sooo sorry for all those who aren't sleeping their needed hours. I have a few ideas from having my 6 mo old Bodhi and from working in a family practice. (As a receptionist, not a practitioner. Please no PMing me for med advice, ha ha! :) )

We live in a studio. I have always had a dog share the bed since I was a kid. Since Bodhi's arrival at 12 weeks he was welcome to sleep with us. See my earlier post: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...6824#post26824

At 5 months we put the lid on the crate with a pillow on top and one on the floor next to it. Bodhi quickly learned that he didn't have to do his low rumbly bark to wake us up to let him go to his wee pad. He could go down the new "stairs".

Afterwards, he would usually just fall back asleep on the bottom pillow. It's also funny to note that he slept between my hubby and me in the beginning. Later, my tossing chased him to the foot of the bed. Now, it's mostly on the floor. He still has the "stair" access to grant us visits.

We used to have the problem of "Oh goody! Everyone's on the bed! Must be time to play and lick Dad's face continuously!" at bedtime. Turning off the lights and leaving a nightlight on usually gives him the signal to lie down. Poor hubby still has to put on a bandana and pillow over his face, but not as often now. We joke about his "Anti-Bodhi" gear.

The wee pad situation has worked super for us. If we don't notice Bodhi using the pad, he makes sure to get our attention. He gets all perky and taps us with his nose.
We make a huge deal of it every time. Stop what we're doing and have a "party" in the bathroom. Both of us praising him and rewarding him by playing with him and giving him the tiniest treat that we can get away with. We also blot him with a warm, wet tissue after a #1 saying "Let's wipe the belly!" and do any necessary cleaning.

Since housebreaking is an issue with the Yorkie breed, I would suggest the "Potty Party" every chance you are home. At the correct location (indoors or out). If neighbors notice, you're just setting a good example, huh? :)

I would suggest asking your doctor for a temporary non-addictive sleeping aid at a low dose.
Note: Please get your own prescription. A drug for your mom, however well intended, could have an adverse reaction on you. This would only compound your situation, wouldn’t it?

I'm sure you all know that a lack of required sleep has a negative impact on the brain. One symptom is irritability, which affects the ones you love. Not good in a new puppy household.

:tinyheart Please take care of yourselves and try to do what Reese did in getting away for the weekend. Find a Doggie Daycare that you trust and get a massage! :tinyheart

Gosh, I hope I don't read this tomorrow and see grammar mistakes.
You know how it is when you keep editing, lol!

bkessler 05-04-2005 04:07 PM

Sleep Deprived
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Reese
Reese is 10 weeks old and will not stay asleep past 4AM. She wakes up and cries in her crate and also barks a little bit. She will not stop until I let her out of her crate (which is at the head of my bed) and let her run around. After she is done playing for a bit she wants to climb into my bed, where she chews on my hand for about 15 minutes, then wants me to put her down on the floor again and stays awake until about 8AM when I am leaving for work. Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can get her to adjust to my sleep schedule. I am at work right now and I have been awake since 4AM, I will not be able to function like this much longer. Help!!!

P.S. I live in an apartment and can not just let her bark which is what I would love to do. Also, no matter which room I put her crate in to sleep, I would still hear her barking and would be woken up.

I am in the same boat you are... Mocha constantly is barking and whining and I live in an apartment and I am worried my neighbors will say something.. She barks all night long and early in the morning around 5:15.. When i get up to take her out, i see she went to be potty already.. SHe barks to tell me she went, not that she has to go.. Is that strange?? Anyway, I am so sleep deprived and its making me sick.. I have to drag myself to work everyday and i am getting tired of it.. Anyway, Reese, I am glad someone else is in the same situation that I am in.. I mean not glad but happy that we can related to one another

Reese 05-05-2005 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkessler
I am in the same boat you are... Mocha constantly is barking and whining and I live in an apartment and I am worried my neighbors will say something.. She barks all night long and early in the morning around 5:15.. When i get up to take her out, i see she went to be potty already.. SHe barks to tell me she went, not that she has to go.. Is that strange?? Anyway, I am so sleep deprived and its making me sick.. I have to drag myself to work everyday and i am getting tired of it.. Anyway, Reese, I am glad someone else is in the same situation that I am in.. I mean not glad but happy that we can related to one another

Yeah I agree. How old id your little one? Reese is not 13 weeks and has gotten much better. She does however regress at times and go back to waking up in the middle of the night. The thing I have noticed is that if I take her outside when I get home form work and run her around a lot she seems to sleep through the night. You should give that a try?

Bart's Mom 05-05-2005 08:24 AM

My cure for all-night cries
 
My Bart cried and cried his first night. NO sleep for anyone - including our two other dogs who looked at me with such pleading eyes at 3 a.m. ("Get rid of him!") I knew something had to be done, so I tried this - and it has worked like a charm from Day 2...

I put old towels over the top, back and two sides and only half-way down the front (for air) of his crate. This makes the crate quiet, dark and cozy. I put the crate next to our bed (with the opening facing the bed so he can see me) and then...put a wee-wee pad down right in front of the crate and then enclosed the crate and pad with a collapsible exercise pen (that can be folded down to a small size.) Then, I kept the door open all night so he didn't feel trapped. Not having that door locked made a huge difference for him, even though he was still confined by the doggie pen. (And you have to make sure that the pen fits snugly around the crate so that your dog only has access to their crate and the wee-wee pad.) In the middle of the night, when he has to pee, Bart just steps out of the crate, does his business on the pad, and then climbs right back into bed. I also add a hot water bottle, wrapped in an old sweater, and a ticking clock (this supposedly imitates his mommy's heart beat.) We've only had him 11 days, and from day 2, he's been sleeping 6-7 hours each night. Last night, he slept 8 hours - from 11 p.m. till 7 a.m. He cries for about 30 seconds and then goes into the crate and falls right asleep. In fact, last night when he saw me get his hot water bottle ready, he did a little dance, so hopefully soon, he'll look forward to going to bed. We got our collapsible pen at PetSmart or some other pet place. We've been using it for years now with our other dogs. They're a little price-y (about $50-70), but you can make the pen several different sizes - from a big pen or fold it down to something smaller. Here's a link at PetCo so you can see what I'm talking about. I'm sure you can get something like this at any pet store.

http://www.petco.com/product_info.as...cise+Pens&ct3=

Reese 05-05-2005 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart's Mom
My Bart cried and cried his first night. NO sleep for anyone - including our two other dogs who looked at me with such pleading eyes at 3 a.m. ("Get rid of him!") I knew something had to be done, so I tried this - and it has worked like a charm from Day 2...

I put old towels over the top, back and two sides and only half-way down the front (for air) of his crate. This makes the crate quiet, dark and cozy. I put the crate next to our bed (with the opening facing the bed so he can see me) and then...put a wee-wee pad down right in front of the crate and then enclosed the crate and pad with a collapsible exercise pen (that can be folded down to a small size.) Then, I kept the door open all night so he didn't feel trapped. Not having that door locked made a huge difference for him, even though he was still confined by the doggie pen. (And you have to make sure that the pen fits snugly around the crate so that your dog only has access to their crate and the wee-wee pad.) In the middle of the night, when he has to pee, Bart just steps out of the crate, does his business on the pad, and then climbs right back into bed. I also add a hot water bottle, wrapped in an old sweater, and a ticking clock (this supposedly imitates his mommy's heart beat.) We've only had him 11 days, and from day 2, he's been sleeping 6-7 hours each night. Last night, he slept 8 hours - from 11 p.m. till 7 a.m. He cries for about 30 seconds and then goes into the crate and falls right asleep. In fact, last night when he saw me get his hot water bottle ready, he did a little dance, so hopefully soon, he'll look forward to going to bed. We got our collapsible pen at PetSmart or some other pet place. We've been using it for years now with our other dogs. They're a little price-y (about $50-70), but you can make the pen several different sizes - from a big pen or fold it down to something smaller. Here's a link at PetCo so you can see what I'm talking about. I'm sure you can get something like this at any pet store.

http://www.petco.com/product_info.as...cise+Pens&ct3=

That is actually a really good idea. She does have an exercise pen which she stays in during the day and I wish that it fit in my bedroom b/c I would leave it in there for her. She has been good for the past few says so I will leave her alone and see if she starts acting up again. I like the water bottle idea though. She does have a toy that has a pad inside that goes into the microwave to be warmed up. I started to give her that warmed up at night but I have not done that for couple of months now. She is funny b/c she does great for while but then regresses. Hopefully she will be fine from here on out!! Thanks for your advice! :)

moonvalley 05-05-2005 12:56 PM

Everytime you get up and take her out you are rewarding her and training her to do this.

1. Put something calming in her water, a little chamomile tea for instance.
2. Keep her up and moving until you goto bed, then put her in the crate.
3. Put a towel or blanket over the crate door so she can not see out.
4. Make sure she learns the word "quiet".
5. $39 at sharper image is a silent dog barker breaker, just plug it in near her crate.

First however, you need to break #1- That is going to take a few days. You may want to call the sharper image near you and see if they have it in stock. Put the crate in a different room until she learns not to do this anymore.

Goodluck.

Deborah

MyTyYorkie 05-05-2005 01:58 PM

OMG I know the feeling with the I am not sleeping anymore I have a 8 wk old little guy that is driving me nuts on the sleeping thing, I put him in his crate and he does the same thing I only can handle it for so long then I get him out and put him to bed with me but then I can't sleep because I don't want him to fall off my tall water bed either, I would love to crate train him since I didn't do it with my other male but I did do it with my female but she was so good never cried. so i'm lost on what to do I just woke up from a nap now I will be a night owl again tonight. :)

bkessler 05-05-2005 03:12 PM

I am going banannas.. My neighbors said something to be this afternoon about her barking how it is all day constantly.. I feel really bad and they are like it really needs to stop (they have a boston terrier and I have NEVER heard it bark).. I made her sleep in her crate last night (because she got out of the kitchen) but tonight. i will keep her in the crate, in my room.. maybe that will work

midwestgirl 05-07-2005 10:58 AM

Gizmo sleeps in bed with me and is usually good. He really likes to sleep by my head, but the last couple of nights I put his little fleece bed by my feet and he has stayed there most of the night. He does wake up around 4:30am and 6:30am, licking my face. I learned the hard way that means he has to go out. After going out he is wound up, but I tell him to go to bed and he does or he'll go chew on a toy.

Stitches29 05-08-2005 06:09 AM

I keep hearing that things get better. I hope soon, because this retired granny is exhausted. We started crate training Maggie when we got her. Took her outside every two hours AROUND THE CLOCK. One night after we took her out, she just cried and cried in her crate. We ignored her because she was just outside. Well, when I checked on her at the next winkle shift, she had pooed and peed in her crate. Her area in the crate is very tiny. Barely enough room to poot. I felt so bad. Now I leave the crate door open. She doesn't cry anymore, sleeps all night. I put a winkle pad down just in case. Sometimes she uses it and other times she hold it until 6am when I get up. I don't know if this was the right thing to do or not. Washing little butts and bodies in the middle of the night wasn't the greatest either. When wake up in the middle of the night to use the restroom, I always make sure that she gets to take a middle of the night trip outside to wee too. So far that is the best thing I have come up with. Good Luck to all TIRED MOMMIES AND DADDYS.

Stitches29 05-08-2005 06:13 AM

MidwestGirl, how old is Gizmo now? I am looking forward to Maggie sleeping with me too, but I'm afraid she is too little right now. Our bed is pretty high. My fears are rolling over on her; her falling off; her using the bathroom on the bed. So, when is the best age to allow them to sleep with you?

Mya's_Mom 05-10-2005 01:46 PM

You can try playing with Reese for an hour before bed time. We do this with Mya and she has always slept through the night. We also have given our yorkie a large baccon flavored chew bone in her cage. Some mornings when I wake up she is busy chewing on her bone. I also put at least one stuffed toy in cage to play with.
Respectfully,
Cyn
Driving the grammatically correct insane, one posting at a time.

Reese 05-11-2005 06:32 AM

I have been very lucky lately!! She has been perfect all this week and last week. I think that she still wakes up at 5:50 but then she does not make a peep until we let her out of her crate. She has been doing fabulous and the potty training is going pretty well too!

Thank you everyone for all your suggestions. They will certainly come in handy in case she relapses again. :D :littleang :yorkietal

Kathy 05-12-2005 08:05 PM

training, need sleep!
 
HI everyone,
I have been enjoying reading this post. I have a 2 lb 6 month old. I put her into her crate around 11:30 pm. She goes in pretty quietly but then she cries around 3 am. She whines until I hear her (she is in the basement) and come down to take her outside. She practically runs for the grass and then goes potty. After that she runs upstairs to be picked up to cloimb into my bed. I give in and she then sleeps with me until about 5:50 am when she starts moving all around to indicate that she has to go out. I need help on figuring out how to get her to sleep past 3 am. If I ignore her then she will mess the crate..never fails. She seems to not be able to hold it past 4-5 hours. Early on I did try pens with pad, kitchen with the pad. leaving her out in a room. All of the above was not effective to me. I found that she would use the pad, however, when she moved her bowels some would get on the pad and some did not. She traveles it if I am not watching. Even now, she mostly goes on the pad (if not outside) but seems to move her bowels not always on the pad (especially if it is not spotless). She even actually wen to the bathroom at the bottom of my bed one time ( so I am still fearful that she could repeat that). I find that if I leave her in the crate for more than 4-5 hours she will mess it with out fail. Occasionally she will surprise me. I think that she doesn't want to go in it but can't hold it. She is so sweet and really only wants to sleep on or next to me. Ok...I am talking in circles but you can see that I have a few issues and need guidance. the first being the need for sleep. Do I just ignore her and hope that she will catch on. Just realize that I will come down to many days of messes and that eventually she will catch on? Do I put her in my room and do that shaking method? Do I let her out at 3 am on a pee pad inhopes that she will eventually get trained to keep doing that only when I let her out (but I would love to see her hold it from 11-6am). Is this possible? Will spaying help any? Thanks. I think, in the meantime, I will try and ignore her tonight until at least 5. I am sure it will be messed though. Oh well. thanks.- Kathy

Stitches29 05-13-2005 06:31 AM

Hi Kathy,
Some advice you may not agree with, but it works. Maggie is 11 weeks old and sleeps all night. Goes to bed at 8:30 and up at 6am. The way I did it was hell for a week but it's great now. I made the same mistake as you did. I put her crate in the kitchen with too much room for her to navigate in. She would mess in it. I then started leaving the crate door open. She couldn't hit a wee pad if the whole kitchen was covered in them. So, I finally gave myself an attitude adjustment. She is on a very strict feeding schedule. She gets NO FOOD, TREATS, OR WATER after 6pm. I moved her crate into my bedroom, right beside the bed. It has a movable grow wall inside the crate. I moved the wall to where she only has enough room to stand and turn around. I placed a baby blanket, small furry toy in there with her. I cover the entire crate so she can't see out. Make it as dark as possible. I use a quilt. Then on the outside of the crate I use a wind up clock that ticks it's little heart out. I sleep like a baby and so does she. I am elderly and don't get around as well as the younger days, but this method has sure worked for me. She is a very good baby. When she does her business outside I give her a tiny piece of cheese (about the 1/4" square when we go back inside). She can do her business in nothing flat. Stick with this for a week and you will be shocked. Your baby is 6 months old, Maggie is only 11 weeks. Oh, I have not allowed Maggie to sleep with me until I know that she is totally housetrained.
Good Luck. Holler back if I can help or hinder anymore. I don't put her in the crate until it's bedtime. Other times she is either with me, carefully supervised or in her exercise pen. When she is in her exercise pen with her toys, I take her outside to do her business every hour. There has not been one accident in the house for 3 weeks now.

Kathy 05-14-2005 01:12 PM

Training
 
Thank you so much for the reply. Is your yorkie as small as mine? FiFi will only get to be about 3lbs max. I neglected to mention a few other details. I have two kids (4 and 8) and another dog. The other dog is great and will sleep whereever. My kids on the other hand are not as good (laughin). My 8 year old tends to sleep walk and talk in his sleep while my 4 year old has a tendencey to call out for me at 3 or 4 am (to make sure I am there...probably because my mother died recently). At any rate, this is one reason why I keep her crate in the basement. I am afraid, and it has, the midnight walks (not all the time) startle her (my tiny watchdog) and I have to take her out then too. So, to being us up to date. On the weekends FiFi runs around all day in the house (with supervision) or is outside running and playing (whiloe the weather is nice anyway). If we are not home she goes into her crate. I take her to work with me and she is in a crate when no one is in my office,otherwise she is out and about. She uses a wee wee pad at work and both at home. The past two nights I put her into her crate in the downstairs room. I heard her cry at 3-4 and let her cry for 1/2 hour before I took her out. I took her out and then put her back into her crate (unlike before when I tookher into bed). She hasn't been crying when I put her in. She then whines around 5:30 or 6am (depending on when dad goes to work). I let her out and then feed them and let them out to run a bit. I did put the blanket over the crate as you suggested. At any rate, the crate has been dry, so far. I am still sure that if I ignore her 3am cry she will mess the crate. Ithink that she doesn't want to but I am sure that she will anyway. I also keep the crate downstairs in case she does mess it. The backdoor is right there. I can open the backdoor and take the tray right out. I am also able to pick her right up and take her out back too. Do you think the bedroom would still be better? I also know that if I come in late, and tip toe in upstairs, she hears me and has to be let out to go. She won't stop whining (occasionaly I waitress on weekends until 3am). That is partly why the 3 am thing continues. Problem is that during the week I have a regular job with regular hours and need regular sleep (laughin). Ok...if you can figure all of that out thenyou are real good (smilin). I guess my real questionis: Can this little girl hold it for more than 4 or 5 hours? She has been pretty good about going on the pad or outside )(occasionally she will go to poop where she shouldn't...which doesn't make me happy either). My other pup is also 5 1/2 months (cocker/bigon) and has been trained since 11 weeks too. Thanks for any and all help. - kathy

DanteCarbajal 05-14-2005 01:37 PM

Wow! Your are doing all of the wrong things here!
 
Hello, Kathy!
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
I cannot stress to you enough; if you take her out when she whines, you have taught her how to get out of her crate! She will begin tio whine anytime she want out ans will pretend she has to go potty when she is bored and wants out to play.

You CANNOT continue to do this or it will never change. Understand that 1 of 2 things are to happen in dog training. Either a) you train her, or b) she is training you. Right now, she is training you. You have given her 0 reasons to hold it in her crate; it's easier to whine and get out of her crate!

You need to shorten her crate with shoeboxes or buy a precision crate with a divider and make it so small that if she pees or poops, she will haev to lay in it. Point Blank! I train 6- 10 puppies per month and my method works EVERYTIME! I promise it works and there are no shortcuts.

When she whines, shake her crate (put it next to your bed with a blanket over it) and say "QUIET" in a stern, manly voice (even if you are female). Make sure you say quiet after you finishes shaking the crate. this works on even the nost resistant pups and you can do this while you are asleep!

Do not take her out. Who cares if she potties in there?? Make her sit in it until morning, when you a e good and ready to clean it up. She will learn; you are the master and you control when she gets out.

If you'd like help, I will help you, but you cannot make excuses, you just have to do it.
:confused:
When I first enrolled my dogs in training, I made lots of excuses and the trainers had to make me be quiet and listen like a little child. Now I know; no excuses! Trust me, this method works. Also, one other Yorkie mom had a good method that was similar with the clock and the cover over it. i suspect your puppy needs a deterrent, though. So shake the crate or hit the top of it while the crate is covered by a blanket. She will learn to love her crate becasue it is keeping her safe form the "force" that is shaking and hitting her crate (which she won't know is you). It always works, unless it is a grown dog, which may need a training collar.

I have 3 Yorkies and none cry or bark in their crate anymore. I have 6- 10 puppies per month and none are allowed to cry or whine in their crates. The longest it took to break one pup was 2 weeks. So you are two weeks away from a good night's rest if you heed this advice1 :aimeeyork :animal-sm :aimeeyork

jminelli@comcas 05-14-2005 02:34 PM

new member
 
arial
Hi all, I'm sure enjoying reading your posts. I have 3 yorkies that sleep with me in my bed. They're pretty good, except for one female, Isabelle. If she hears anything outside, she wants to go out. (we have raccoons sometimes) which happens at least once every night! I wish she wouldn't, but if I refuse, she sometimes poops on the floor. I got a digital camera for xmas, but I haven't figured out how to put pict. on line.

Stitches29 05-14-2005 02:44 PM

Kathy, I read every word and then read it again. I can see where the problems are, but they are not problems at all. My training is very gentle and kind. When you use violence or yelling, then the baby fears you. Fear is something you don't want. Respect is what you are looking for. Fear causes a dog to bite others. You do not want that. I'm going through hell with menopause, so I'm up several times a night. I couldn't hold my pp if I wanted to, so how can I expect a baby to. Did your children hold their pp all night when they were only babies. I didn't think so. I wouldn't allow my child, two legged or 4 legged to waller in their own waste. That makes me furious. How would you like to lay in your own waste. I'm a retired Health Official, and believe I have seen enough of that to last a lifetime. Anytime you are up, either coming in from work or seeing to the children==you are already up, so take the baby out of the crate to pp. Most of the time they sleep walk pp, but still they are doing their business. You and all your children will thank you. Remember each time you are awake during the night for any reason, don't forget the four legged baby. Also, take the crate to your bedroom. They know when their master is around. They feel you, hear and smell you. It is a natural calming thing for them. Right now, you are their mother and protector. In the basement, they feel like they have been abandoned. Yorkies have a problem with seperation anxiety. Keep the crate covered, small area, toy. Take baby to potty right before bedtime. You will probably have to take baby outside to PP once during the night, but you're up anyway. Baby will probably whimper for a few minutes at first, but will settle down. If they cry longer than 15 minutes, then they didn't get to finish their bathroom duties. Without saying a word, very gently take them back outside. If they still don't potty, that means that was a "Cry Wolf" whimper. Take them back to the crate without saying a word. That is when you ignore them, until you think it's the real thing. Only praise them if they do good. Normally my nighttime trips are without words. It's business and straight back to bed. Soon they learn not to cry wolf. Sorry about being so long winded, but only wanted to stress that love will prevail in the end without violence.

Stitches29 05-14-2005 02:48 PM

Welcome to YT. You will learn a lot here. Your little Isabell needs to be assured that all is okay. Only let her bark if you are not sure. As far as her pooping on the floor, that is not part of the barking. You may have to pick up the food and water at 6pm. Take them outside to potty right before bedtime. No food or treats after 6. Works here. Just a suggestion. Everybody raises their babies different.

jminelli@comcas 05-14-2005 06:11 PM

Isabelle
 
Thanks for the hint about Isabelle. I'll try it. My other Yorkie, Rufus curls up by my head and sleeps all night, but he is a fear biter and will only let 2 people even come near him. me and my girlfriend. Isabelle's puppy, who is called Sarafina, (Seri for short) curls up too, but when Isabelle wakes up, Seri goes into the living room and curls up on her bed in there! So then I have to go get her and bring her back to bed. Aren't they funny? I just love Yorkies. I help my friend with her breeding business, and all the dogs are like our children, we love them so much. I'm going over there now, to take care of the kennel while my friend and her husband go on vacation for a month! Talk to all of you later..........Joan :p

midwestgirl 05-15-2005 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stitches29
MidwestGirl, how old is Gizmo now? I am looking forward to Maggie sleeping with me too, but I'm afraid she is too little right now. Our bed is pretty high. My fears are rolling over on her; her falling off; her using the bathroom on the bed. So, when is the best age to allow them to sleep with you?

Gizmo is 13 weeks. He has a little oval shaped fleece pet that he sleeps in and it stays by my feet. He has learned MY sleep routine and pretty much sleeps through the night now. Around 4 or 5 a.m. he might crawl out of it and sleep on my feet.

Kathy 05-16-2005 08:20 PM

Training reply
 
Thank you to all that made comments and suggestions on training FiFi. I need to first clarify that when Isaid basement, I did not mean basement in the normal sense. The first floor has an outside door (yard) and my son's bedroom. It also has a den type room there as well. FiFi (yorkie) is in a crate next to our other dog (6 month old bigon mix). This crate is in the den area and next to my son't room. Neither dog whines when they are placed in their crate. In fact, FiFi doesn't whine in at all unless she has to go to the bathroom. I even put her in it at my work and she doesn't whine when she goes in or when I come into the room to take her out (unless she has to go to the bathroom). For whatever reason, the past few nights she seems to be holding it longer (I think). I fell asleep on the sofa last night at 9:00 pm. She was asleep in her little chair bed. I was awaken by a kid at 11:00 and noticed that she went on her pad at some point. I fell back to sleep and woke at 1:30am. I again noticed that the pad was wet (in fact, pooped on). I let her outside and then put her into her crate. She went in quietly and stayed quiet until about 6 am. I probably should have came down to let her out before she whined but I was actually enjoying sleeping a little past her normal 4 am or 5 am whine. I have been trying to let her whine, ignore it and then let her out a bit after. Knock wood, but the crate has been dry for a few days. One reader posted that I mentioned that I get home late anyway. Correction: Only on the weekends do I get in at 3:00 am (part-time night club job). The rest of the week I would love to sleep a normal night schedule. The crate is divided into a smalll area. When she had messed the crate she seemed to sit in it with no problem. Tonight I am going to try and go to sleep soon (midnight now) and ignore her until 6 am. Hope it works. There was one person who posted something about shaking the crate if she cries before that. I think, for tonight, I will keep it covered (I have done this the past few nights) and ignore her until about 6 am. If she whines before that I will make sure that I do not take her out while she is doing that. I will try and get her before, or after, her morning " I got to go out whine." I hope this works. Ok....off to sleep. Well, first I have to wake them up and take them outside and then put them into their crate. Ok.done. Into the crate for her. Good luck to me. By the way, for those you you with the techniques: DId your puppies when this amount (1 1/2 lbs)? I am going to try it this way for a night or two (I figure). If this doesn't work then I will sleep down there on the sofa and either try the "no" technique or take her up to the room and try it (Oh, I don't know...laughin). Actually, she is doing better but I should stop there before I jink myself ( :) . Night...I hope. - Kathy

Stitches29 05-16-2005 10:40 PM

Oh Kathy, you sound so much better. Whichever way you go on your training, i'm sure it will be fine. I only have Maggie in the room with me because they can sense a human close by and it gives them security.

Kathy 05-17-2005 08:06 AM

training: Slept, but woke to a poop
 
Hi- Well, I put FiFi in about midnight. She did not whine or cry (she rarely does). I heard her whine around 5 but I ignored her. She stopped. I came down to her and found a poop in her crate. She then went outside and finished her business. She must have just done it. She doesn't eat or drink late bt she seems to always have to make a late or real early poop. Why is that? Anyway,....since it ws still earlier than i wanted to get up, I decided to just lay on the sofa in the room where the 2 pups are. They ate and played. At one point, I heard a scratch at the backdoor and it was her scratching to go ou. Yea! Usually, I just take her out. I was surprised because usually she will just go to her pad. So....as for tonight,..hmm....i guess i should try and repeat again last night and hope that she doesn't go in it. What hours should i be starting with here? What is a good time to put her in and then take her out? Should Ijust be putting her in now for the full hours that I want or just give her a condensed version for now? I know that she can hold it. Afterall, she has not gone to the bathroom since about 7 this morning and it is now noon. She doens't look like she needs to go yet either. thanks. - kath


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