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TxVicki 11-05-2013 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cesarthegreat (Post 4343324)
this isn't the place to get this kind of advice that you need. Cesar milan has been criticized for his use of choke collars, pinching, kicking, and shock collars - but his dogs are well behaved.

Keep in mind that what i'm suggesting is not violent or harmful to the dog, despite what these crazy dog ladies try to make it out to be. If they have well behaved dogs who had behavior issues by dressing them up in outfits and spoiling them with treats, that's great.

Those of us with dogs who have serious red zone type aggression - it's fix the issue by any means necessary or put the dog down - because even though it's a yorkie, if the dog bites a stranger you will get sued and the dog will get put down.

wow. Smh

lynzy420 11-05-2013 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CesarTheGreat (Post 4343270)
Sounds like a typical Yorkie to me. Welcome to the club!

All jokes aside, many yorkies are like that. They were bred to be killers and to me, they are some of the most difficult and aggressive dogs I've ever dealt with. I love my dog to death but he is by far the most aggressive dog I've ever dealt with.

The first thing I tried was the spray bottle. It worked for a while, but then it turned into a game where he would bite at the mist as I sprayed it at his face.

His behavior would get slightly better but still not good, so I tried the treat method. It worked wonderfully. He was the greatest dog in the world when he was getting a treat but then he started to pick up on the idea that "I am only going to do this for a treat and no other time." I couldn't even fake him out by pretending to have a treat because he knew when I did and did not have one - he's a clever bastard.

So then I tried the "slamming pots and pans" to get his attention. When there is behavior you don't want, you make a loud noise so he will correlate the bad behavior with the noise. It works but again it turned into a game and he would bark at the pots and pans - stubborn dude he is.

Turns out that the best method is a firm smack to the ass. Not too hard, just a quip equivalent to the nip of a mother to correct bad behavior, or how Cesar Milan pinches the skin to the point of a wimper.

Cesar is the most stubborn dog I've ever dealt with. The only thing that worked was the actual physical contact, whether it be a smack or a pinch.

I've seen some people who have had good results from actually biting the dog back to duplicate the reaction of a mother or other dog.

It's just a shame my Shepherd Chow died shortly after I got Cesar. He would have been a great role model for Cesar - that dog was wonderful in every way. He would give Cesar some gentle nips when he would act out. More time with Shemp would have done wonders for Cesar I'm sure.

Ok seriously? Really? I honestly wish you would send me your address, I will be happy to take that wretched little guy for you.

As far as really bad behaviors gooooooo, it means that you ARE NOT in control and that there could be something wrong or that you need to seek the guidance/services of a professional. It is not as expensive as you think....or turn the pup over to a rescue, they will make sure he goes to a home that can deal with his issues and get him the help he needs.

Violence, with any living, breathing feeling being IS NEVER THE ANSWER, NEVER. Spanking a Yorkie? omg this is ridiculous.....comparing any dog to another is also ridiculous...I've had 30 dogs, no two were ever the same....

I'm appalled!

lynzy420 11-05-2013 08:22 AM

OK, came back and read this whole thread cuz I thought I missed something....obvious, Cesarthegreat, you have a far right opinion, you think of dogs differently than the thousands of crazy dog ladies on here......Crazy dog ladies? really that's what you got for good people who give great advice all the time? Your methods are utterly ridiculous and so are your opinions, IMHO. People are not dogs and should never pretend they are especially when play biting.......uggghhhhhhhhhhhh

OP, stay the course, be persistent and routine this pup, stay steady on the course, after a couple weeks YOU will see improvement.

theporkieyorkie 11-05-2013 08:34 AM

Caesar Milan is very controversial in the dog training world. When I was growing up and enrolled in obedience with my dogs, we used choke chains, we forced our dogs butts down to get them to sit and applied pressure at their shoulder blades to teach them to lay down.

Since then, that style of training has totally went out of favor for a more humane style...I would say way more along the lines of Victoria Stillwell, than Ceasar Milan...and it works too. Both of my dogs have learned how to sit and lay down without me touching them or forcing them to do it. I've never used corporal punishment, despite people telling me I need to get after my dogs more to get them to behave.


I have a red zone yorkie. He's a fear biter, he's possessive aggressive and he also is gets aggressive from excited energy. Frankly, in my case, I don't think hitting my dog or turning it on it's side like Caesar does would do squat for my dog except for make it scared of me when i am probably the only one he fully trusts.

If it were me and my puppy and it were biting at my legs or getting rough, I would simply ignore it or put it away in it's pen until it calmed down. If you put him on your lap and he starts biting at your hands, squeal "ouch" really loud in a high pitched voice and put him down on the ground and ignore him....If he's biting at your legs, say "ouch" and pick him up and put him in his crate until he settles down. He is used to playing roughly with his siblings the way he is playing with you....and if he gets too rough with his brothers or sisters, they squeal in a similar manner so he should understand what a high pitched "ouch" means. Ultimately, the pup wants your attention and affection and if he learns that biting gets him none, the hope is that he will stop doing it.

I've watched a lot of Ceasars shows and I've never seen him spank a dog. Keep in mind, she is also dealing with a 10 week old yorkie puppy. I can't imagine how little that is....but I am guessing it pretty much would be like the equivalent of spanking a newborn baby.

impish 11-05-2013 10:19 AM

Good post! And people this is a PUPPY, not a red zone dog FFS.

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Originally Posted by theporkieyorkie (Post 4343539)
Caesar Milan is very controversial in the dog training world. When I was growing up and enrolled in obedience with my dogs, we used choke chains, we forced our dogs butts down to get them to sit and applied pressure at their shoulder blades to teach them to lay down.

Since then, that style of training has totally went out of favor for a more humane style...I would say way more along the lines of Victoria Stillwell, than Ceasar Milan...and it works too. Both of my dogs have learned how to sit and lay down without me touching them or forcing them to do it. I've never used corporal punishment, despite people telling me I need to get after my dogs more to get them to behave.


I have a red zone yorkie. He's a fear biter, he's possessive aggressive and he also is gets aggressive from excited energy. Frankly, in my case, I don't think hitting my dog or turning it on it's side like Caesar does would do squat for my dog except for make it scared of me when i am probably the only one he fully trusts.

If it were me and my puppy and it were biting at my legs or getting rough, I would simply ignore it or put it away in it's pen until it calmed down. If you put him on your lap and he starts biting at your hands, squeal "ouch" really loud in a high pitched voice and put him down on the ground and ignore him....If he's biting at your legs, say "ouch" and pick him up and put him in his crate until he settles down. He is used to playing roughly with his siblings the way he is playing with you....and if he gets too rough with his brothers or sisters, they squeal in a similar manner so he should understand what a high pitched "ouch" means. Ultimately, the pup wants your attention and affection and if he learns that biting gets him none, the hope is that he will stop doing it.

I've watched a lot of Ceasars shows and I've never seen him spank a dog. Keep in mind, she is also dealing with a 10 week old yorkie puppy. I can't imagine how little that is....but I am guessing it pretty much would be like the equivalent of spanking a newborn baby.


FryFry 11-05-2013 01:56 PM

I'm not going to give him to a rescue group or SPCA. I understand he is a puppy, that is why I'm asking for advice to help control his behavior now while he is a puppy. It is getting better, but he still gets in these moods where he bites REALLY hard and leaves bite marks and cuts on my hands.

Buster Brown 11-05-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CesarTheGreat (Post 4343324)
This isn't the place to get this kind of advice that you need. Cesar Milan has been criticized for his use of choke collars, pinching, kicking, and shock collars - but his dogs are well behaved.

Keep in mind that what I'm suggesting is not violent or harmful to the dog, despite what these crazy dog ladies try to make it out to be. If they have well behaved dogs who had behavior issues by dressing them up in outfits and spoiling them with treats, that's great.

Those of us with dogs who have serious red zone type aggression - it's fix the issue by any means necessary or put the dog down - because even though it's a yorkie, if the dog bites a stranger you will get sued and the dog will get put down.

It's a TV SHOW of course his dogs act okay the editor's make sure the outcome is what the producers want it to be. Seriously he puts pressure on the carotid artery in order to get dogs to submit.Dog passing out = less aggression, that is not training. Pinching to the point of a whimper. Do you choke children to get them to do their chores? NO there are better ways.
Buster was having issues after coming home from a three day hospital stay and I had a TRAINED Behaviorist come in to work with him. This behaviorist deals with dogs that kill and NEVER advocated any sort of abusive, corrective training EVER! Los Angeles Dog Trainer - Dog Behavior Specialist in Los Angeles FRYFry please consider an animal behaviorist before using such aggressive measures to train a puppy. Find a Board Certified Veterinary Behaviorist ACVB
Best wishes with Leo.

Rhetts_mama 11-05-2013 02:18 PM

Rhett went through a period where he earned the nickname "Attila" due to the biting. We did what was advised above. Redirection (giving him something it was ok to chew on) and removal; when he bit, I walked away. He quickly learned that biting left him alone and he much preferred to be with me.

Hitting or biting leads to fear and more aggression. IMO, it's also admitting that you aren't smart enough to control yourself, let alone train your dog.

Lovetodream88 11-05-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FryFry (Post 4343729)
I'm not going to give him to a rescue group or SPCA. I understand he is a puppy, that is why I'm asking for advice to help control his behavior now while he is a puppy. It is getting better, but he still gets in these moods where he bites REALLY hard and leaves bite marks and cuts on my hands.

I think the post was directed at the person who hits and bites there dog to give them up not you.

ChibiLuv 11-06-2013 01:03 PM

This is normal puppy behavior, I see pups of all breeds biting pant legs and nipping so hard they even break the skin. Some dogs are just very mouthy and it has nothing to do with breed but rather just that dogs personality. I myself went through a very hard puppy stage with my girl Molli. You might be in for a long haul, my girl is still mouthy at 2 years old but has gotten to the point where we can control it to appropriate toys. Exercise is the key, the pup has lots of pent up energy and is taking it out on everything it can. Some indoor puppy classes will start at 10 or 12 weeks, I recommend enrolling. In the mean time try and teach some tricks yourself. Start with something simple like 'sit'. When the pup bites you hard yelp like your really hurt and get up and ignore the pup for at least a minute. Re direct with toys and if the pup plays with the toy instead of your hand praise it with kind words and maybe even a little treat. Hang in there, the puppy stage can be challenging.
On a side not weather you are pro Ceasar Milan or against I think we can all agree his methods are way too stern for a puppy this age. You want to try and use positive reinforcement, making the puppy want to do what you want him to do.

pdtalker 11-06-2013 02:17 PM

how do you do a puppy time out? thank you for the help..

kimp5 11-07-2013 01:04 PM

put them in a place where they cant see you or hear you for 10 minutes. Be it a bathroom (safe one) or a bedroom or pen. just like with kids..lol


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