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Juliealfies mum 12-23-2005 08:12 AM
help with strangers
 
I am looking for help with Alfie he is very good and can sit wait fetch and do all sorts of commands on request but if we are out and he does not like a stranger he will run at their feet and growl and bark I have tried to get him to stay come sit etc but he seems to go selectivly deaf at this point and will do nothing you ask as he is so intent of getting this stranger away. Once he is ok with person he is fine until the next time he meets them. I was thinking of trying the disc training as well but not sure how its used best . Lottie on the other hand loves meeting everyone so dont want her to pick up bad habits. Alfie has been really well socialsied but starting doing this at about 12 months old and I have tried everything i can think of to stop this any sugestions?

FirstYorkie 12-23-2005 02:10 PM
I think the best thing would be for you to consult a positive dog trainer.

Erin 12-23-2005 08:05 PM
Get a copy of the book "The Other End of the Leash" by and also definately check into a positive trainer. Training is the best thing we could have done with Loki and we still attend classes (he's 1) because we have so much fun. I'm almost done with this book and it's really helping me to better understand how to communicate with Loki.

Also, my next door neighbor has a sweet dog that has some serious fear aggression issues. I carry treats with me and every time I see her I give her a treat. So she is learning that the "scary" neighbor gives treats and maybe isn't so scary. Definately talk to a trainer about the right approach to this (there are so many things, like no eye contact, how to have a stranger approach, etc.) but there is definately a solution to it. I hope that's encouraging!

Yorkie Mum 12-23-2005 08:36 PM
My girl does not like strangers at all. Mainly men
To the point the last guy that reached out for her just about lost a fingers.
No fooling.

What I like to do is accosted kind looking strangers and talk to them at a distance and if they agree to pass them a treat and just have them drop it.
No reaching for her, no touching, no petting and it be good if they not talk to but that is asking a little much.
Idea being that some strange people just may be fun and have nice treats if she acts kind to them or at least leave Thier figures on their hands.


Joy

reneernc 12-23-2005 09:47 PM
Good luck and let me know if you find a solution. My 2 yr old Scooby bit a coworker of mine twice yesterday before I could get to him. I don't know why he does that to some people and not others. He has also bit the fedex man. I have had to put up gates to guard the doors.

Yorkie Mum 12-23-2005 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by reneernc
Good luck and let me know if you find a solution. My 2 yr old Scooby bit a coworker of mine twice yesterday before I could get to him. I don't know why he does that to some people and not others. He has also bit the fedex man. I have had to put up gates to guard the doors.
How very scary for you and painful to the co worker.
How is Scooby any signs of continued stress or change in behavior? IE any shaking or hyperness?
It is fear aggression and needs to be handled by a trainer that was skill to guide you as you learn to manage Scobby.
By Manage I mean only that aggression in dogs is usually not curable only managed by us with training of them and understanding by us.
My girl is in the care of a behaviorist and aggression trainer was been for a while and will be for the rest of her life.
The attempt to bite by her was after an attack on her by a pit bull and was just a massive stress fall out and also fear related.

Joy

reneernc 12-23-2005 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkie Mum
How very scary for you and painful to the co worker.
How is Scooby any signs of continued stress or change in behavior? IE any shaking or hyperness?
It is fear aggression and needs to be handled by a trainer that was skill to guide you as you learn to manage Scobby.
By Manage I mean only that aggression in dogs is usually not curable only managed by us with training of them and understanding by us.
My girl is in the care of a behaviorist and aggression trainer was been for a while and will be for the rest of her life.
The attempt to bite by her was after an attack on her by a pit bull and was just a massive stress fall out and also fear related.

Joy
Thanks for responding, I sent you a PM...any info would be greatly appreciated! He really isn't a hethern (sp)!

Yorkie Mum 12-23-2005 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by reneernc
Thanks for responding, I sent you a PM...any info would be greatly appreciated! He really isn't a hethern (sp)!
Got the Pm info coming.
My girl is well trained and mannered but she does not do men nor many other dogs.

Joy

Juliealfies mum 12-24-2005 09:30 AM
I went to the vet today and they recommended the name of a trainer which I will look into as I said he is so good at everything except strangers which means dogs people children who he has never met, but loves all the neighbourhood kids who know him very well . He has his favourites and its very obvious who they are, kids he knows well can do anything with him and he is fine ,but he will not tolerate anyone new!

FirstYorkie 12-24-2005 09:55 AM
Excellent! I truly think that is the best way to go. :thumbup:

Be sure your trainer is using positive methods - encouraging and rewarding Alfie for appropriate behavior. A trainer who punishes your pup for fear-based behavior may well make the problem worse.

Let us know how it goes, okay?

Juliealfies mum 12-24-2005 10:03 AM
Thanks for all the advice I only believe in possitive training and will check out the trainer before letting them anywhere near my baby. He is such a good boy and so clever with all his tricks etc , but I think he is either guarding me or is a bit fearful of strangers he does not attempt to bite them just alot of aggressive noise making aand running at them , which i have tried to stop with clicker training methods . I got the book "clicker training for aggressive dogs" and tried a lot of different things but I will just have to keep going its just I dont want my new little baby Lottie learning bad habits as she just loves to meet everyone. Alfie was not as sociable as a pup and I did a lot of socialisation with him , thats why he gets on well with people he knows , I think if i had not done this he would be a nightmare. Sorry for this being so long but thanks again to everyone who replied .

Yorkie Mum 12-24-2005 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Juliealfies mum
I went to the vet today and they recommended the name of a trainer which I will look into as I said he is so good at everything except strangers which means dogs people children who he has never met, but loves all the neighbourhood kids who know him very well . He has his favourites and its very obvious who they are, kids he knows well can do anything with him and he is fine ,but he will not tolerate anyone new!
If you need to look else where for a trainer or maybe the one recommended is listed here. This is a good site to start looking for a positive trainer.
http://www.clickerteachers.net/

I also have more very good books on aggression if you are interested PM me and I will forward the list.

Joy


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