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MlssOcean 08-18-2010 07:14 AM
Crate or Xpen
 
We went away for about 2 weeks and my parents had Dharma. They have another dog so Dharma had a blast. She was the little queen of the house. Well now we have her home and she is thrown off sync. Before we left, she slept through the night. Now she wakes up at 2am, 5am.....very annoying! She also is still pooping in her crate when we leave. We don't leave her for more then an hour and she poops.

We are wondering if she would be better in an xpen. The crate can not be any smaller or she will be smushed!!! I'm worried that she will poop in the x crate also but I'm not sure. I don't know if giving her more room would make her more comfortable or make t worse. I would just like some opinions.

Thanks!

MlssOcean 08-18-2010 03:11 PM
Anyone? :-)

MI Yorkielover 08-18-2010 03:17 PM
Sorry I can't help you as I never had that problem with Sophie but if you post this in the training forum you may get more results :)

MlssOcean 08-18-2010 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MI Yorkielover (Post 3244017)
Sorry I can't help you as I never had that problem with Sophie but if you post this in the training forum you may get more results :)
This is the training forum, isn't it? :)

lil fu fu girl 08-18-2010 04:16 PM
X-pen all the way. Then she has place to play around, plus if you place the potty pads in there too, she might get the idea. I have never crated mine and always used x-pens, and used the washable potty pads with them in the pen. Maybe her using her crate as a bathroom is a commentary! :rolleyes::D They are unique little creatures!

JeanieK 08-18-2010 04:18 PM
I would try the x pen with a pee pad. I'm thinking that being in the crate might be stressing her and causing the pooping.

I would divide the xpen into 3 parts. Down the center making one 2x4 pen for play, then divide one side into a 2x3 area with the pee pad and a 1x2 area for sleeping.

This setup works well for my puppies starting at 3 weeks of age.

MlssOcean 08-18-2010 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3244062)
I would try the x pen with a pee pad. I'm thinking that being in the crate might be stressing her and causing the pooping.

I would divide the xpen into 3 parts. Down the center making one 2x4 pen for play, then divide one side into a 2x3 area with the pee pad and a 1x2 area for sleeping.

This setup works well for my puppies starting at 3 weeks of age.
She goes in and out of her crate by herself. She goes in there and sleeps by herself. She sleeps in her crate all night no problem....but when we leave that's when we have a problem. We are not using pee pads and do not want to. She is doing great with going outside and don't want to use the pee pads. That's why I don't know if the x pen is a good idea. She is in her crate curled up sleeping with her squirrel as we speak!

JeanieK 08-18-2010 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MlssOcean (Post 3244079)
She goes in and out of her crate by herself. She goes in there and sleeps by herself. She sleeps in her crate all night no problem....but when we leave that's when we have a problem. We are not using pee pads and do not want to. She is doing great with going outside and don't want to use the pee pads. That's why I don't know if the x pen is a good idea. She is in her crate curled up sleeping with her squirrel as we speak!
Then perhaps the stress of you leaving is causing her to poop. My thought is, if she is going to poop I'd rather she use a pee pad than to go in her crate.

I do not believe that dogs poop to be vendictive. That would indicate that they have the ability to reason and to know that pooping is going to make you mad, and to reason that even thgough they are going to get scolded, it is worth it just to make you clean it up.

So It has to be stress that is causing it.

MlssOcean 08-18-2010 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3244101)
Then perhaps the stress of you leaving is causing her to poop. My thought is, if she is going to poop I'd rather she use a pee pad than to go in her crate.

I do not believe that dogs poop to be vendictive. That would indicate that they have the ability to reason and to know that pooping is going to make you mad, and to reason that even thgough they are going to get scolded, it is worth it just to make you clean it up.

So It has to be stress that is causing it.
So you think an X pen would be a better idea? Either way I don't want to use a pee pad. I will clean up if she messes but i don't want to teach her that is where she needs to go, because she is doing so well outside.

RDB911 08-18-2010 05:03 PM
Hi Angela

give the xpen a shot and see if it makes a difference with her pooping. Start with a small space and go from there

Nancy1999 08-18-2010 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MlssOcean (Post 3244123)
So you think an X pen would be a better idea? Either way I don't want to use a pee pad. I will clean up if she messes but i don't want to teach her that is where she needs to go, because she is doing so well outside.
If you are training to go outside, a crate is better. If she's pooping in her crate, many experts believe the crate is too big, and/or you don't take her outside often enough. The crate should be big enough for her to stand up in and turn around in, and that all. This is only for housebreaking, not as a long-term environment. This website has some great advice on training, and helps you choose a crate of x-pen, and indoor or outside training, but the x-pen is usually used if you will be allowing them to use pee pads. Free House Training for Puppies and Adult Dogs - No More Accidents Starting Today!

RDB911 08-18-2010 05:10 PM
I remember Angela saying she made the crate as small as possible and Dharma is still pooping inside the crate. It only happens when they leave. I'm wondering if it a form of separation anxiety??

MlssOcean 08-18-2010 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3244133)
If you are training to go outside, a crate is better. If she's pooping in her crate, many experts believe the crate is too big, and/or you don't take her outside often enough. The crate should be big enough for her to stand up in and turn around in, and that all. This is only for housebreaking, not as a long-term environment. This website has some great advice on training, and helps you choose a crate of x-pen, and indoor or outside training, but the x-pen is usually used if you will be allowing them to use pee pads. Free House Training for Puppies and Adult Dogs - No More Accidents Starting Today!

Thank you! I have been doing a lot of research on this and we take her out constantly. She will poop and then we put her in her crate and let her settle down for about 20 minutes and then we leave. We will run to the food store for 40 minutes total and she will poop (even though she just went!) The crate is as small as it can be. She can only lay in it and turn around. We have been leaving in small increments too and increasing the time. That works some times and other times it doesn't. That's why we were thinking about an x-pen.

Nancy1999 08-18-2010 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RDB911 (Post 3244138)
I remember Angela saying she made the crate as small as possible and Dharma is still pooping inside the crate. It only happens when they leave. I'm wondering if it a form of separation anxiety??
It could be. Most dogs have to go within a half hour of eating, and if you can encourage them to walk after eating they will go at that time, it might be best to not to allow them in the crate until after their bowels are empty. I just figured in an x-pen there would be no chance of having her hold it.

Nancy1999 08-18-2010 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MlssOcean (Post 3244152)
Thank you! I have been doing a lot of research on this and we take her out constantly. She will poop and then we put her in her crate and let her settle down for about 20 minutes and then we leave. We will run to the food store for 40 minutes total and she will poop (even though she just went!) The crate is as small as it can be. She can only lay in it and turn around. We have been leaving in small increments too and increasing the time. That works some times and other times it doesn't. That's why we were thinking about an x-pen.
Well, you've tried everything I can think of, she's stubborn cuss ain't she?


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