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jonathon087 05-05-2010 08:41 AM
I started using the harness again today when I took her out. It definitely gave me more control over her and she would constantly look up at me as if wondering why I wouldn't let her walk a bit further away. So far so good, but there weren't any people at... So we'll see what happens after that. Now onto the down command

jonathon087 05-05-2010 07:22 PM
Yeah, I just really need to get that down... She just seems too exciteful around others and I'm afraid she'll end up hurting herself

DvlshAngel985 05-05-2010 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jonathon087 (Post 3116590)
Yeah, I just really need to get that down... She just seems too exciteful around others and I'm afraid she'll end up hurting herself
If stopping doesn't help have you tried walking in the opposite direction? As in, you're walking with her and when she see's something excitable she'll try to pull you forward right? Well, you start walking in the opposite direction keeping her close. For this there is short leash only. The good thing is yorkies aren't big enough to over power us. :D After a few steps turn around again and keep walking. If she gets excited again you turn around again. The whole point of this is to teach her that getting excited and lunging forward doesn't get her where she wants to go. When she behaves she gets to keep walking, which is the reward. Sorry if these techniques aren't working for you. This is what the spcaLA taught me and it works with the pitties at the shelter.

jonathon087 05-05-2010 10:07 PM
I'll have to give that a try then. I started working with the down command tonight... I think I may have gotten too far ahead for her, though... When I'd get her down, which I had to help her, I would give her a treat and then give the up command... Which she doesn't know. Up worked a lot better than down, but it still wasn't a success. The only way she would get up was when I would get more excitement in my voice, but then she would lose control and try bouncing all over the place like she always does... The down command just frustrates me... There was actually one time where my wife grabbed the treat and set it down and she actually went to the ground and was preparing to lay down, but then she said down and she hesitated before sitting back up. Bleh... So many problems and I have no idea where I'm going wrong.

DvlshAngel985 05-05-2010 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jonathon087 (Post 3116838)
I'll have to give that a try then. I started working with the down command tonight... I think I may have gotten too far ahead for her, though... When I'd get her down, which I had to help her, I would give her a treat and then give the up command... Which she doesn't know. Up worked a lot better than down, but it still wasn't a success. The only way she would get up was when I would get more excitement in my voice, but then she would lose control and try bouncing all over the place like she always does... The down command just frustrates me... There was actually one time where my wife grabbed the treat and set it down and she actually went to the ground and was preparing to lay down, but then she said down and she hesitated before sitting back up. Bleh... So many problems and I have no idea where I'm going wrong.
They're just easily excitable. You should see Kaji when I have a yummy treat he wants. I'll say down and he does: dance, beg, down, roll over and for a big finish he plays dead. :rolleyes: he's just trying to please so he can get the treat. It cracks me up! It takes him a moment to compose himself and then he's my little performer.

jonathon087 05-05-2010 10:23 PM
That's my problem, though... It's like she's not interested in pleasing us. I think we spoil her a little too much, she knows when she'll get a treat and where to get it and such. When it comes to pleasing us by performing, she can do well with sit and shake... That's it. When I was working with the down command and helping her down by lifting her front legs up and letting her slide down, she didn't even seem to grasp what I was trying to get her to do... She just seemed oblivious to the idea of what I was trying to get her to do.

DvlshAngel985 05-05-2010 10:31 PM
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That's my problem, though... It's like she's not interested in pleasing us. I think we spoil her a little too much, she knows when she'll get a treat and where to get it and such. When it comes to pleasing us by performing, she can do well with sit and shake... That's it. When I was working with the down command and helping her down by lifting her front legs up and letting her slide down, she didn't even seem to grasp what I was trying to get her to do... She just seemed oblivious to the idea of what I was trying to get her to do.
Don't worry and don't stress yourself out. Remember that every yorkie is different, and that not all of them get everything the first time. Did I mention that Kaji recently learned the concept of playing with toys? He's almost two and just started to play fetch 4 months ago. When I started the down command and slid him into position, he didn't know what the heck was going on. With repetition, and about the time I was going to give up with down all together, he got it. Just keep at it, eventually it will click in her head what it is you want her to do.

Edited to add: these little ones are very perceptive. If she feels you're getting upset, she will be less willing to cooperate. If you feel you're getting too stressed, it's best you take a break otherwise you'll just be a bad teacher for her.

jonathon087 05-05-2010 10:42 PM
I just feel like maybe I'm not the one to train her... She seems scared of me for some odd reason... I've never hit at her and never really yelled at her. I might say 'Daisy, bad!'... Nothing worse. It's just after a while of working with her she'll get like an ashamed look where she'll not look at me and look towards the ground instead...

capt_noonie 05-05-2010 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jonathon087 (Post 3116850)
I just feel like maybe I'm not the one to train her... She seems scared of me for some odd reason... I've never hit at her and never really yelled at her. I might say 'Daisy, bad!'... Nothing worse. It's just after a while of working with her she'll get like an ashamed look where she'll not look at me and look towards the ground instead...
You know what? Uni learned all those tricks from my bf and he is not one who is against the spanking. She learned the majority of the tricks from him, and I taught her some after the fact. Your baby is still young, you have to see what works for her. For some, the guilt trip works. for others the scolding, for others only positive, others still something else. Just don't give up and give a part of EVERY DAY for training. Don't get lazy. I think that's the most important. They are full of crazy energy, you have to be up there with them.

DvlshAngel985 05-05-2010 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jonathon087 (Post 3116850)
I just feel like maybe I'm not the one to train her... She seems scared of me for some odd reason... I've never hit at her and never really yelled at her. I might say 'Daisy, bad!'... Nothing worse. It's just after a while of working with her she'll get like an ashamed look where she'll not look at me and look towards the ground instead...
I know what you're talking about. I got that look today. I'm working on crawl, and I thought Kaji had the hang of it and was doing this cute "elbow up" army crawl. But... I forgot to add it to our list of tricks we work on every day (Yes, like Capt Noonie says EVERY DAY) so crawl went out the window. I'm starting all over again and when he pounces on the treat instead of following it, or when he plays dead when I try to put my hand on his bum to keep it down as he crawls, I say "no" and I've caught myself saying "NO!" (mean frustrated tone) instead of a more playful "no." Kaji's ears immediately went back, he slumped down, and tail tucked. Not his best learning mentality.
Do you think your wife would be better at the trick/obedience training? I know Kaji won't learn from anyone else in the family, but he will from me. Once it's an established trick, I just show the others how to ask for it and for the most part Kaji does it for them. Try trick training everyday, including weekends, and if after a while you still feel she's not being receptive with you, let your wife take over.

jonathon087 05-05-2010 11:07 PM
Well, I was the one who showed her sit and shake... My wife just seems more interested in babying her and spoiling her. And she admits it, so who knows. I'll be doing a bit of training every day from here on out, so hopefully that helps.

Chevy2 05-06-2010 03:26 AM
That was one amazing video. I didn't realize exactly how much a dog can retain. I have underestimated these cute little fluffballs! Now off to train :)

ourfirstyorkie 05-06-2010 03:44 AM
Hi there! Thanks for posting this thread. My Farrah is 6 months old tomorrow and has the attention span of a rock! :) Not too funny when trying to train her of ANYTHING!

But we just started obedience training last Saturday. One of the first things we "learned" was to heel. The dog is placed on your left. Your arms are down at your sides and the leash is short. (Excess in your right hand.) Keep the dog at your side as you walk. If the dog lags, short quick tug to the front to get her to catch up and the reverse to slow down. Obviously a harness is key to walking.
Heel and the "come" command have been easy. The down (without a treat) a bit frustrating. I told the instructor that she has ADHD...:eek:

Good luck to you!

Britster 05-06-2010 05:16 AM
Wow, just seeing this thread! You have been given GREAT advice, I don't really know what else to add but just wanted to wish you luck. Training can sooo fun and form such a wonderful bond between you & your dog. :)

I, like Uni and Kaji's mommys, do trick training every single day. Even if it's only for 5 minutes. Jackson looks forward to it every night, he will literally come over to me, just sit and stare at me until I get down and train with him. I recently began clicker training and he sooo loves trying to figure out how to get a 'click' and seems to pick up things faster!

jonathon087 05-06-2010 09:02 AM
Story of the year... She wouldn't respond to me at all with down... Then my wife comes home today from school and I have her do the down command. After about five tries, Daisy is actually going down on her own! It's taking a bit of time, but she seems to finally grasp it a little more. Now if only she would do it for me... She seems scared of me for some odd reason.


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