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JeanieK 11-08-2008 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Xaleia (Post 2322387)
Well like I said, I don't think it is recommended but I am now treating him as a mother dog would and grabbing the scruff of his neck..pinching and shaking till it hurts. NOw I'm not shaking him hard..but enough to get his attention but more pinching that scruff. He yelps a little, but I swear there is a HUGE change in his attitude and now when he wants to bite he is not biting nearly as hard .... and not nearly as much.
I would of not recommended this..but dangit..like you..I was kind of at my wits end. I have much hope now..that we are going to be fine! It had been 14 years since I had a yorkie pup and I don't remember this before, but I think I had very submissive docile little girls. This boy is a firecracker......but I see a huge change.
You might give it a try..because I too was so weary and getting very emotional about the whole thing....

Treating him as his mother would is good. But is mother would not grab and shake him. She would snap at him and move away from him. His sibling would yelp and refuse to play with him.

Laying them on their side as Ceasar is for aggression. This is not aggression it is rough play.

My question is, why not let Corky deal with it? They have a way of dealing with each other, in a lauguage that the both understand?

This is an issue when they are taken from their mother and littermates before they have learned proper dog etiquette.

Xaleia 11-08-2008 04:34 PM
Well the reason I don't let Corkie deal with it is that she is nearly 14 years old and he has teeth like a land shark. He is hurting her and she can't play mama and put him in his place. She ends up running and then shaking she gets so upset.
I've been told the cesar method of laying on his side while I prove my alpha status does not really work with a young one and I can testify to this. All that did was make him madder and more aggressive.
I ended up resorting to the scruff pinch/shake.. in an attempt to get him to just be less aggressive and it has worked..
If Corkie could retalitate and make an impression on him... then I'd let them handle it. As it is..she does not deserve this terrorizing and I feel I must protect her until he mellows a bit..which he seems to be doing.
A long walk today really mellowed him out..hahah he's an angel sleeping now:-)

yorkietalker 11-08-2008 04:45 PM
Agreed!
 
I think we may have been separated at birth as well as our pups! I also lowered the boom this afternoon and there has been a very obvious decline in attitude out of my little fellow! I drove to a "boarding school" trainer to check it out in case I can't get past this. I'm not sure who was being asked about the trainer's advice - but it was also what I got from my vet - it is a puppy problem. But, as I said originally, I've never had a problem like this out of any of the several dogs I've owned - including the yorkies! Maybe I wasn't firm enough - and he is pretty darn cute!! But, I am going to stick to my guns and see what happends. The "scruffing" didn't work on Bennett - or pennies in a can - or anything traditional. But, when I introduced a spray bottle into the mix - I got his attention very quickly! I am also using a much firmer (not louder - firmer) voice. (I sorta sound like a 3 year old in my normal speaking voice!!)

Xaleia 11-08-2008 05:16 PM
LOL well at least we may have found an answer to each of the pups we have. They are so darn cute. I look at Marley and my heart just melts... then he bites me..haha
But it is much more controlled now...... he is doing much better. Corkie is even allowing him to get closer because he is licking her more ..instead of piercing her body parts:-) I forgot to mention in the previous post..that Corkie only has a couple teeth left..so she ends up gumming him when she is trying to straighten him out which only makes him go after her more.

yorkietalker 11-09-2008 05:43 AM
I have a cat - Crackerjack - as well as Bennett. There is the normal tussle between bow-wow and me-ow! But, when Bennett woke up this morning there was a sparkling, brand-new attitude! Do you think we just needed each other's stories to make us get tough! I agree completely with what you said about being strict with your other pets - so that wasn't the problem. Maybe it's like children. My older daughter was no trouble at all - in fact I wouldn't have known what parenthood was all about until my younger was born almost 7 years later! There is that same defiant look in Bennett's eyes as there was in my younger child's! Keep up the good work - and keep me posted. I promise I will be there for moral support if you need it! We can compare war stories!

Xaleia 11-09-2008 06:04 AM
You got a deal. And your right, Marley is a whole new man! I did not realize how much control he had till now. He is amazingly sweet now..even with Corkie..he's kissing her more...... I put a stop to it..when he bites..immediately...but now she is tolerating him more because he's not allowed to hurt her at all

Got a deal girl! Updates on progress!

JeanieK 11-09-2008 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Xaleia (Post 2322489)
Well the reason I don't let Corkie deal with it is that she is nearly 14 years old and he has teeth like a land shark. He is hurting her and she can't play mama and put him in his place. She ends up running and then shaking she gets so upset.
I've been told the cesar method of laying on his side while I prove my alpha status does not really work with a young one and I can testify to this. All that did was make him madder and more aggressive.
I ended up resorting to the scruff pinch/shake.. in an attempt to get him to just be less aggressive and it has worked..
If Corkie could retalitate and make an impression on him... then I'd let them handle it. As it is..she does not deserve this terrorizing and I feel I must protect her until he mellows a bit..which he seems to be doing.
A long walk today really mellowed him out..hahah he's an angel sleeping now:-)

I understand with her being elderly, I didn't know she was a senior dog.

I agree, putting them on their side is for agressive dogs. This is NOT aggression, it is just rough play because he never learned from his mother how to play nice. so Yes you now need to do that.

I have a 3 month old, and lately he has started to chew our hands, He does not chew hard, but it is annoying and I just don't want him to think it is OK. So last night I snapped at him, like his other would. using my hand to touch and making the "argh" snapping sound. He yelped once and stopped immediately. Then we went to my husbfand and started on him and my husband did the same thing. That was it, he went off to find a toy.

So I know it does work. The pinch and shake, I'm not sure about, it needs to just be a quick snap to startle them.

Xaleia 11-09-2008 08:17 AM
thanks for your response. Well it does not appear I have to really use that pinch/shake thing now. A sharp No and like you..a quick nip at the side of his neck with the No.. seems to be doing the trick now. He is a changed man I must say. He seems so much happier and less out of control once I established I was the big Kahuna. It may have been a bit aggressive of me..but I do have his attention and have established my words mean business so I don't regret the pinch/shake ( since he obviously was not harmed..hehe). But all is progressing more sanely now.... :-)

Thanks for responding and helping!

yorkietalker 11-09-2008 10:06 AM
On Our Way to Good Parenting!
 
I also took a tip from "It's Me or the Dog" - and used canned air. It gets Bennett's attention post haste! Not one bite so far today - a couple of attempts were stopped immediately - including a 2 mile walk without a squabble! Maybe we have ESP through our little dumplings - and they knew when we had enough!!

JeanieK 11-09-2008 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Xaleia (Post 2323267)
thanks for your response. Well it does not appear I have to really use that pinch/shake thing now. A sharp No and like you..a quick nip at the side of his neck with the No.. seems to be doing the trick now. He is a changed man I must say. He seems so much happier and less out of control once I established I was the big Kahuna. It may have been a bit aggressive of me..but I do have his attention and have established my words mean business so I don't regret the pinch/shake ( since he obviously was not harmed..hehe). But all is progressing more sanely now.... :-)

Thanks for responding and helping!
I don't consider it aggression, i consider it dominant, and if you aren't they will be.. I also believe they are happier when they know the rules. Just like children. when left to figure it out on their own they get nervous and fearful, and that leads to aggression.

Xaleia 11-09-2008 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalker (Post 2323382)
I also took a tip from "It's Me or the Dog" - and used canned air. It gets Bennett's attention post haste! Not one bite so far today - a couple of attempts were stopped immediately - including a 2 mile walk without a squabble! Maybe we have ESP through our little dumplings - and they knew when we had enough!!
I like the air idea too. That seems pretty tame but effective:-)

I think they did just need a little lesson in Kahunaism.......LOL

Good luck with Bennet and keep me posted!

JeanieK, you could be right in the difference of agression vs dominance, I just know it was painful and had to halt. It was a whole different episode than his normal rough and painful bites. He was frustrated and angry..or acted that way.... when he was being stopped or interfered with.
So this is why I labeled it aggression because if he'd of been a Newfoundland..I'd of been dead..haha

yorkietalker 11-10-2008 03:08 PM
Will do. This afternoon - when I came home at lunch and then just awhile ago after work - we had a brand new dog on our hands! Mr. Bennett is now compliant!

zekie's mom 11-15-2008 06:13 PM
Biting puppy
 
I have a 5 mo. old male Yorkie who behaves pretty much like yours. He is biting some less, but he is still biting and lunging. I think some puppies are just like this and need more dicipline than others.

I am not really having much trouble with potty training, so guess I need to be thankful for that.

I am going to try grabbging him by the scruff of his neck and pinching him as nothing else seems to work. He was an only child, so know that is part of the problem. I also acquired him when he was 8 weeks old. I think he was driving his mother nuts.

yorkietalker 11-16-2008 10:25 AM
Pinching? I'm Not So Sure!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zekie's mom (Post 2333142)
I have a 5 mo. old male Yorkie who behaves pretty much like yours. He is biting some less, but he is still biting and lunging. I think some puppies are just like this and need more dicipline than others.

I am not really having much trouble with potty training, so guess I need to be thankful for that.

I am going to try grabbging him by the scruff of his neck and pinching him as nothing else seems to work. He was an only child, so know that is part of the problem. I also acquired him when he was 8 weeks old. I think he was driving his mother nuts.
I'm not sure I would ever pinch a dog. I don't think aggression breeds anything but aggression - but I understand your frustration. I have said "no bites" until I am up the wall - but it is sinking in. Bennett was 1 of a litter of 6 - so being an only child was not his problem. Bennett is not biting - he is "mouthing" and lunging - but the end result is the same...unacceptable! Good luck and keep me posted. I always like to hear what has worked for someone else!

SherylSews 11-16-2008 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalker (Post 2333790)
I'm not sure I would ever pinch a dog. I don't think aggression breeds anything but aggression - but I understand your frustration. I have said "no bites" until I am up the wall - but it is sinking in. Bennett was 1 of a litter of 6 - so being an only child was not his problem. Bennett is not biting - he is "mouthing" and lunging - but the end result is the same...unacceptable! Good luck and keep me posted. I always like to hear what has worked for someone else!
I, too, get a lot from reading the posts of what people have tried to see what's worked for them. My 10 week old puppy, Sookie, has also been a handful when it comes to biting and trying to be dominant. We've been using the Cesar Milan "on her side" until she "submits" and it does work but often there's a squabble with her about it and she's just soooo tiny and fragile feeling I don't like doing it. I'm glad to have been reminded about the canned air method from . Stilwell - "It's me or the Dog" and think I'll try that before I head for the spray bottle. What about your puppy's reaction to grooming? Sookie gets literally vicious if I try to comb or brush her. Tips?


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