YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community

YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/index.php)
-   General Training Questions (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/general-training-questions/)
-   -   Does anyone have any experience with remote training collars? (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/general-training-questions/132432-does-anyone-have-any-experience-remote-training-collars.html)

mypreciouspups 06-02-2008 07:12 PM

I have nothing to say but to wish you luck in the training methods that I have read here and found interesting...anne

cesar49 06-02-2008 07:22 PM

[QUOTE=punkie;2026322]Guys, I realize that some of you may disagree with the use of these collars, but I'm really just looking for suggestions and feedback from people who have used them in the past. I'm not looking for someone to call me cruel, misinformed or a sadist.
So if there are any owners out there who have used these collars in the past, I would greatly appreciate the feedback.
Having said that, I hope anyone who is against these collars is a vegan. Otherwise they're just being hypocritical.[/QUO

it appears you dont care enough to even consider reading a book....you should not even own a dog:(

punkie 06-02-2008 07:47 PM

[quote=cesar49;2027009]
Quote:

Originally Posted by punkie (Post 2026322)
Guys, I realize that some of you may disagree with the use of these collars, but I'm really just looking for suggestions and feedback from people who have used them in the past. I'm not looking for someone to call me cruel, misinformed or a sadist.
So if there are any owners out there who have used these collars in the past, I would greatly appreciate the feedback.
Having said that, I hope anyone who is against these collars is a vegan. Otherwise they're just being hypocritical.[/QUO

it appears you dont care enough to even consider reading a book....you should not even own a dog:(

It appears you don't care enough to even consider reading previous posts (to see that I have changed my mind) before putting your two cents in... you should not even post in a forum :(

punkie 06-02-2008 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups (Post 2026992)
I have nothing to say but to wish you luck in the training methods that I have read here and found interesting...anne

Thank you! :)

punkie 06-02-2008 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 2026972)
I think you've gotten a lot of great advice :) I don't really have anything to add except that consistency is the most important thing when trying to train a dog. Consistency will keep the dog from getting mixed signals. Good luck!

Thanks!

RawfedYorkieLuv 06-02-2008 08:00 PM

I find it ironic that my posts are being regarded by you as hostile when you were the one firing off remarks about hypocrisy and making a jab at vegans! I doesn't matter that I don't know you or your dog but any good dog trainer will tell you that a dog's behavior is a direct link to the owner and never the dog's fault and you clearly have no clue yet about dog rearing or you would look to yourself to correct the problem and not try to force your dog into submission! By entertaining the idea of shocking him every time he does something that displeases you is truly what is repulsive here! The use of shock collars is frowned upon and regarded as inhumane by the sources I named. I do not recall getting into a debate wether or not we should share PETA's views on animals as pets so I don't know what you're talking about or why you're even bringing this up! You clearly have a lot to learn still and hopefully somebody can help your dog! I wish you and especially him good luck for the future!


Quote:

Originally Posted by punkie (Post 2026740)
First of all, what repulses me is the fact that you're trying to jump down my throat for not sharing your views. You have no idea what places I have been to for research or what methods I have tried and on top of it all, you have never met my dog. Perhaps you should try to keep more of an open mind, instead of being so judgmental and telling me that my dog's behaviour is my fault.
Also for your information, PETA is against the keeping of animals as pets. Maybe you're the one who needs to do some research!


punkie 06-02-2008 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawfedYorkieLuv (Post 2027075)
I find it ironic that my posts are being regarded by you as hostile when you were the one firing off remarks about hypocrisy and making a jab at vegans! I doesn't matter that I don't know you or your dog but any good dog trainer will tell you that a dog's behavior is a direct link to the owner and never the dog's fault and you clearly have no clue yet about dog rearing or you would look to yourself to correct the problem and not try to force your dog into submission! By entertaining the idea of shocking him every time he does something that displeases you is truly what is repulsive here! The use of shock collars is frowned upon and regarded as inhumane by the sources I named. I do not recall getting into a debate wether or not we should share PETA's views on animals as pets so I don't know what you're talking about or why you're even bringing this up! You clearly have a lot to learn still and hopefully somebody can help your dog! I wish you and especially him good luck for the future!

LOL, I did not make a jab at vegans. I AM a vegan (for my own reasons entirely). I meant that if you're against animal cruelty and want to speak out about it, you really have no credibility unless you're a vegan. Does that make sense? I think so.
Also, I did not bring up PETA, you did. You said that I should consider PETA as a source for humane training. So, I wanted to let you know that according to PETA, there is no such thing!
Anyway, I'm not here to debate you and I couldn't care less about what you think about me or my dog. Clearly, you're not someone who can help me. So, let's just agree to to disagree and leave it at that.

ScootieBootie 06-03-2008 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScootieBootie (Post 2026849)
Here is what to do about your issues:

1. Chewing: Get a spray bottle and fill with distilled white vinegar. When your dog goes to chew something, say "no chew" and spray the object of his interest.

2. Wear your dog. Attach his leash to your belt loop and you will know what he is doing and when.

3. If you can't watch your dog, crate him.

4. If your dog barks when you are not home, read this: Separation Anxiety and Destructive Dogs

5. If your dog barks excessively at everyone and everything, he does not see you as the pack leader and is confused about his place.

-Revoke furniture priveleges.
-Eat before he does and let him see you eat.
-Mix his food in his bowl with your hands to put your scent on it.
-Make him sit and stay before you let him eat.
-If he goes to bark or starts to bark, say "Ah Ah" in a sharp tone of voice. (Think Victoria Stillwell on "It's Me or the Dog."
-Praise him when he does well. This will enforce the good behavior.
-If your dog barks, whines, jumps or vies for your attention, ignore him. Do not give him attention until he is calm.

Invest in a good behaviorist to come out to your home and work with you on what you want to get fixed. Petsmart teaches basic obedience...it does not teach you how to deal with "problem behaviors." Also, not all trainers are behaviorists and therefore are NOT qualified to work with you and your dog on problem behaviors.

I know you did not intend to put this post up to get slammed, but I was in total shock when I read that you are even considering this type of collar for your yorkshire terrier! If any trainer or behaviorist even suggests this to you, get your money back and find someone qualified!

Walk your dog! Several times a day, if you must! Get a friend/neighbor/family member/professoinal dog walker if you must. Exercise is key to a well behaved dog as well. Some people mistakenly think that a small dog does not need good exercise or mental stimulation from a controlled walk, but they do.

Shock collars should ONLY be used by someone who knows what they are doing with them. The average dog owner does NOT know how to properly use them, therefore abuses it without even knowing it.

PM me if I can be of any more help to you. I wish I lived closer to you (I'm in NC!) because I'd love to help you one on one. However, I have had extensive experience with these issues, and these techniques have worked for my clients.

You do need to take into account that change will not happen overnight. It takes patience and consistency. Your dog needs to see you as the pack leader. Fear is NOT the way to get yourself that status.

Good luck and I hope you put these techniques into play!

Monique (The Dog Nanny in Fayetteville NC)
Owner of Liberty Dog Training


I am positive you have not tried the above all together. I assure you, if you follow this advice, you will see improvement. Your success depends on your consistency.

This also means that anyone who comes to your door also must ignore the nips, whines and barks and walk away. If he goes to jump on you or company, turn your back and walk away WITHOUT saying a word!!!!

This dog, based on several of your posts, in insecure and needs guidance and direction!

Your dog only has behavior issues because he has no idea what is expected of him. And if some people laugh and giggle (which there always is someone who does) when he behaves this way, he will get mixed signals and continue the unwanted behavior.

Put a "Please Ignore the Dog...In Training" sign on your door for company to see.

Put it all together. Do it all for a couple of weeks. It seems like a lot, but when you do it, it doesn't seem like that much at all.

You are NOT going to find a miracle. It will take hard work, patience, and consistency on your part to make a change.

If you are unable or unwilling to follow FREE advise from a professional behaviorist, I suggest you rehome your dog before you become overly frustrated with him.

FYI if I go to an in home consult to observe the dog and give advice, it costs between $75 - $100!

Please, take my advice, put it into effect, and stay consistent!!!! I would be shocked if you honestly put 100% effort into these techniques and are consistent and don't get any good results.

C'mon! You have nothing to lose! A squirt bottle and distilled white vinegar together cost less than $5 and you didn't even have to pay for a behaviorist!!!

Just remember: He didn't become this way over night, so he will not become the "perfect dog" over night either!

ARCHIE 06-03-2008 07:09 AM

Yorkies are not dumb dogs ,just very smart. I say that because it's true.
Belive me not ALL Yorkies require intensive training and I have no idea why
some do and some don't. I can tell you that consistency is key.
I did not know about YT when I purchased my Yorkie. I just assumed
all were the same. Small, adorable, playfull and loving. I was shocked
to find out, in months to come, that this Yorkie had a mind of it's own and wanted to do what it wanted and that was that. I had dog's my whole
life but never a Yorkie. I will say that I have given Buddy more training than
I ever thought possible. He went threw toy aggression, food aggression,
bed aggression etc. I thought he was just plain nuts to be honest with you.
With each new challenge I read up on and learned how to turn the
problem around. It took time, patience and stress but today he is a loving
beautiful campanion and I wonder what he would have been like if he went
into someone's else's home. Probably turned in at the pound I"m sure.
I had to learn how to be the Alpha and take charge of his life. I had no idea
a dog can get stressed thinking no one is in charge. Who ever thought dogs
even could think? Yorkies can and do and demand to be cared for.
Listen to people here on YT. I wish I had found them that first year.
With all that I went through I never even thought about such a collar.
I was looking to have that sweet little dog love me not fear me.
Well anyhow we have been through lot's of training and believe me today
he is worth it. He's friendly, loves children, shares toys, allows meto touch
his food and sleeps in bed with me. All because I ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.
Please re-think this over. Take charge of your Yorkie. Be his trainer. He
will love you for it and as long as he knows your in charge of everything
he will relax and enjoy his training and you. Don't be stressed be in charge.
Good luck,

punkie 06-03-2008 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScootieBootie (Post 2027507)
I am positive you have not tried the above all together. I assure you, if you follow this advice, you will see improvement. Your success depends on your consistency.

This also means that anyone who comes to your door also must ignore the nips, whines and barks and walk away. If he goes to jump on you or company, turn your back and walk away WITHOUT saying a word!!!!

This dog, based on several of your posts, in insecure and needs guidance and direction!

Your dog only has behavior issues because he has no idea what is expected of him. And if some people laugh and giggle (which there always is someone who does) when he behaves this way, he will get mixed signals and continue the unwanted behavior.

Put a "Please Ignore the Dog...In Training" sign on your door for company to see.

Put it all together. Do it all for a couple of weeks. It seems like a lot, but when you do it, it doesn't seem like that much at all.

You are NOT going to find a miracle. It will take hard work, patience, and consistency on your part to make a change.

If you are unable or unwilling to follow FREE advise from a professional behaviorist, I suggest you rehome your dog before you become overly frustrated with him.

FYI if I go to an in home consult to observe the dog and give advice, it costs between $75 - $100!

Please, take my advice, put it into effect, and stay consistent!!!! I would be shocked if you honestly put 100% effort into these techniques and are consistent and don't get any good results.

C'mon! You have nothing to lose! A squirt bottle and distilled white vinegar together cost less than $5 and you didn't even have to pay for a behaviorist!!!

Just remember: He didn't become this way over night, so he will not become the "perfect dog" over night either!

Thanks for all the valuable advice. I returned the remote collar today and would like to start trying to calm Milo down and teach him to obey.

But one of the biggest problems I have is this. You had said to walk him several times a day. But when I take him out, he acts completely freaked out. He's friendly enough with other people and other dogs when they come close to him and try to touch him. He's actually over-friendly with people. But he barks at absolutely everyone and everything and won't stop. It's really humiliating. Because of this, I don't really walk him anymore.

Another problem I have with walking him is, if he doesn't feel like going where I want to take him or if he just doesn't feel like walking for whatever reason, he'll just stop. I tell him to come, I pull on the leash and nothing. Then I'll just have to pick him up and carry him. I even try bribing him with his favourite treat and he won't even look at it as long as we're outside.

I don't know what to do about that. Any suggestions?

ScootieBootie 06-04-2008 07:29 PM

When you say he doesn't walk, can you explain the circumstances? Does he just sit, lie down? Or does the try to back away?

Does this behavior seem to be triggered by storm drains, passing cars, or any other environmental factor? (Does it happen when you try to pass a particular house, etc?)

When you implement these tactics, the barking should begin to subside. If you are walking, and your pup decides to bark excessively, make a sharp sound with your voice to get your dog's attention, and then praise and pet! Also, deem a spot (open field, small wooded area, etc) as a reward area. If your dog walks with you, then allow your dog to sniff/paw/play at the designated "potty/play" area as a reward!

I need more info on the walking issue to help you through that...

punkie 06-04-2008 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScootieBootie (Post 2031389)
When you say he doesn't walk, can you explain the circumstances? Does he just sit, lie down? Or does the try to back away?

Does this behavior seem to be triggered by storm drains, passing cars, or any other environmental factor? (Does it happen when you try to pass a particular house, etc?)

When you implement these tactics, the barking should begin to subside. If you are walking, and your pup decides to bark excessively, make a sharp sound with your voice to get your dog's attention, and then praise and pet! Also, deem a spot (open field, small wooded area, etc) as a reward area. If your dog walks with you, then allow your dog to sniff/paw/play at the designated "potty/play" area as a reward!

I need more info on the walking issue to help you through that...

It doesn't seem like it's triggered by anything most of the time. When he realizes that he's going to go in the car, he immediately refuses to go any further and just lies down. But he also does it outside on grass, on pavement, when there are people, when there are no people, around cars and when there are no cars, etc... So, it's really random. I don't know why he does this.
Sometimes I think it might be because he wants to spend more time sniffing in a particular area and other times I think it might just be that he's nervous. Sometimes he he might not like being outside if it's a bit chilly I think, but I really have no idea. He also shakes like crazy whenever we go out, so he's pretty much nervous all the time. I don't know why this is. I was taking him to the pet food store the other day. Every time I put him down on the sidewalk, he refused to walk. So I had to carry him the whole time. It's really annoying and makes me not want to take him anywhere.

We went to PetSmart today as I'm looking for a carrier for him to go in the plane and he barked non stop the entire time we were there. If I pick him up, he stops, but as soon as I put him down again, he barks like crazy and won't stop. It was really embarrassing. I hate taking him out in public.

sheshark 06-07-2008 03:16 PM

I'm glad that i found your post! I've been having similar issues with my Mister (the barking, but not so badly, and not wanting to walk or wants to go his way) and also have toyed with the idea of looking for a remote collar for his barking at the neighbors when they move around their own yard or at kids on the street. and i'd like so say, quickly, that while i have considered the idea, i haven't gotten one, yet.

What I have done for barking and furniture issues is the squirt bottle. I bought an industrial/cleaning solution type bottle instead of something small and cute, with an adjustable nozzle (light spray to high powered stream, its never left the stream) and i use them on both of our dogs when they bark or climb on the couch. Just a couple of quick squirts along with a nice deep "NO". Its helped a bit, but there are places in the yard that its impossible to get their attention with a spray bottle and often i'm not right there with them (the point of having a yard for the dogs) and can't correct them quickly enough. I'd bet my neighbors probably think i'm horrible, because at that point i have to "verbally reprimand" the barking, or yell "NO BARKING" at the top of my voice from various parts of the house. We're getting closer, but Mister has come to recognize that i can't do much to reprimand him if i'm not in sight, and will continue barking like a wind-up toy. I'm stuck for what to do there, because i don't want him to think that he can bark like a nut to get attention or be let back in the house. I'm hoping that a strong "No" and going back into the house with out giving in to demanding barking will sink in, but that's still attention and i don't want to upset the neighbors (who've been saints, firstly with an excitable lab jumping all over them, and now with a loud-mouthed Yorkie) by just ignoring his barking.

As for the walking, or not wanting to walk, I walk both dogs at the same time and can't stop for just one, so when Mister stops, he's ignored and tugged along with the "pack". I did have his leash attached to Shadow's at first but she is much more powerful and faster than he is and he was dragged once or twice, so that stopped. :) But my advice with that would be to just ignore him and keep walking. Go for a walk for yourself and have him attached to your hip if possible, ignore him and just walk. He'll eventually learn that the walk is about what YOU want and not what HE wants.

And the barking on walks... a leash correction and a "leave" command helped me with both dogs (of course more gentle correction with Mister ;) ) every time, and often. Now we just have issues with Mister being startled by quiet, quick moving objects, like kids on bikes or dogs that he doesn't see right away. But we're working on it!

As far as "shock" collar training and those who've poo-pooed it, it sometimes is a necessary tool. Its not fear that drives the training, those collars are designed to be a long-distance leash correction, or similar to a nip from a pack leader. If the instructions are followed and the collar is used correctly, there is no issue. Admittedly Yorkies are a small breed, and not that i've looked very hard, but I've not even seen any small enough to be used on Yorkies. All of the training issues that we've had with Mister, we also had with Shadow (the lab) and we did end up using a collar in her training. That worked very well, i'm glad to report, with barking at inappropriate times and with her running off when she gets excited. She was so focused on what she saw that excited her, that she was deaf to any and all commands. She's also a fairly large dog and would jump excitedly (much like a Yorkie) on people and scratch them with her claws unknowingly, all while my boyfriend and i are trying to call her back and get her under control. But she is a large dog; 50 lbs at least, and that behavior needed to be halted immediately, before she jumped on and injured a not-so-understanding friend or stranger. The collar worked, though she still runs AT people, she now just licks once and runs back. Point being, the collar helped with training the lab, but a Yorkie is smaller and easier to control/dominate. It has been longer and harder training with Mister, but we're still getting positive results with out the use of a shock collar.

And crating for a "time-out" as has been discussed in other threads, is not punishment, in my opinion. Its a loss of privileges: time with me, the privilege to roam, loss of decision-making on their part. It doesn't have to be long, ten to fifteen at the most depending on the offence. Mister was crated almost all the time at his first home (their solution to potty training) and so was put off from it a bit when i got him, but we've worked together and he understands that it's his bed, his "safe place", and his "time-out" area, as does Shadow. They will both lay in their kennels just as a place to lay down, and neither fears time in the kennel.

Sorry for the long post, i hope this helps. Most of all I wish you luck in training, you'll get it!



PS. Both dogs are kenneled when there's nobody home, also. Still no fear or weariness of kennel time.

mavalos 06-09-2008 09:40 AM

Hi! Don't worry your baby is still young. You definetely need to enroll in puppy class. I just enroll my baby. But please don;t use those shock collars! What you will be amazed how well behave he will be!:animal36

Franceen 06-09-2008 04:34 PM

I have just put a post on Yorkie products in error. I meant to put it here, Anyway, I am having trouble with my Yorkie being animal aggressive and wanted to know about remote control collars, BUT the ones I am interested in are the water ones. They spray a jet of water at the dogs neck to stop the behavior. I wouldn't use one that shocked my dog - too awful to contemplate! (But, I don't know anything about them so I shouldn't comment - it just sounds dreadful.) I thought the water spray one may be the answer, but I don't know of anyone who has used one. I was hoping someone on the forum might have tried one?

After reading all the posts here perhaps I will try the water bottle first and see if that helps. I am just a little concerned about the use of white vinegar, is it absolutely safe to spray at your dog and what mixture of vinegar and water do I use? Would it hurt if it got in her eyes?

Luv
Franceen

punkie 06-09-2008 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franceen (Post 2040515)
I have just put a post on Yorkie products in error. I meant to put it here, Anyway, I am having trouble with my Yorkie being animal aggressive and wanted to know about remote control collars, BUT the ones I am interested in are the water ones. They spray a jet of water at the dogs neck to stop the behavior. I wouldn't use one that shocked my dog - too awful to contemplate! (But, I don't know anything about them so I shouldn't comment - it just sounds dreadful.) I thought the water spray one may be the answer, but I don't know of anyone who has used one. I was hoping someone on the forum might have tried one?

After reading all the posts here perhaps I will try the water bottle first and see if that helps. I am just a little concerned about the use of white vinegar, is it absolutely safe to spray at your dog and what mixture of vinegar and water do I use? Would it hurt if it got in her eyes?

Luv
Franceen

I have been using the water bottle like "sheshark" said for my dog's barking for the last week and rewarding him when he settles down. There's actually been significant improvement! Not so much when we're outside and he's around other animals, but definitely at home.

I just bought a bunch of squirt guns today so I can take them with me when we go out as well, since the bottle is big and awkward to carry. I do worry about the stream from the toy squirt gun being a little too strong though, in case it gets him in the eyes or something. Does anyone have any experience with squirt guns?

I think the vinegar solution is suggested only for for spraying on things that you don't want them to chew. But not actually squirting on the dog. It could definitely get in their eyes and hurt them or cause harm.

punkie 06-09-2008 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheshark (Post 2036721)
I'm glad that i found your post! I've been having similar issues with my Mister (the barking, but not so badly, and not wanting to walk or wants to go his way) and also have toyed with the idea of looking for a remote collar for his barking at the neighbors when they move around their own yard or at kids on the street. and i'd like so say, quickly, that while i have considered the idea, i haven't gotten one, yet.

What I have done for barking and furniture issues is the squirt bottle. I bought an industrial/cleaning solution type bottle instead of something small and cute, with an adjustable nozzle (light spray to high powered stream, its never left the stream) and i use them on both of our dogs when they bark or climb on the couch. Just a couple of quick squirts along with a nice deep "NO". Its helped a bit, but there are places in the yard that its impossible to get their attention with a spray bottle and often i'm not right there with them (the point of having a yard for the dogs) and can't correct them quickly enough. I'd bet my neighbors probably think i'm horrible, because at that point i have to "verbally reprimand" the barking, or yell "NO BARKING" at the top of my voice from various parts of the house. We're getting closer, but Mister has come to recognize that i can't do much to reprimand him if i'm not in sight, and will continue barking like a wind-up toy. I'm stuck for what to do there, because i don't want him to think that he can bark like a nut to get attention or be let back in the house. I'm hoping that a strong "No" and going back into the house with out giving in to demanding barking will sink in, but that's still attention and i don't want to upset the neighbors (who've been saints, firstly with an excitable lab jumping all over them, and now with a loud-mouthed Yorkie) by just ignoring his barking.

As for the walking, or not wanting to walk, I walk both dogs at the same time and can't stop for just one, so when Mister stops, he's ignored and tugged along with the "pack". I did have his leash attached to Shadow's at first but she is much more powerful and faster than he is and he was dragged once or twice, so that stopped. :) But my advice with that would be to just ignore him and keep walking. Go for a walk for yourself and have him attached to your hip if possible, ignore him and just walk. He'll eventually learn that the walk is about what YOU want and not what HE wants.

And the barking on walks... a leash correction and a "leave" command helped me with both dogs (of course more gentle correction with Mister ;) ) every time, and often. Now we just have issues with Mister being startled by quiet, quick moving objects, like kids on bikes or dogs that he doesn't see right away. But we're working on it!

As far as "shock" collar training and those who've poo-pooed it, it sometimes is a necessary tool. Its not fear that drives the training, those collars are designed to be a long-distance leash correction, or similar to a nip from a pack leader. If the instructions are followed and the collar is used correctly, there is no issue. Admittedly Yorkies are a small breed, and not that i've looked very hard, but I've not even seen any small enough to be used on Yorkies. All of the training issues that we've had with Mister, we also had with Shadow (the lab) and we did end up using a collar in her training. That worked very well, i'm glad to report, with barking at inappropriate times and with her running off when she gets excited. She was so focused on what she saw that excited her, that she was deaf to any and all commands. She's also a fairly large dog and would jump excitedly (much like a Yorkie) on people and scratch them with her claws unknowingly, all while my boyfriend and i are trying to call her back and get her under control. But she is a large dog; 50 lbs at least, and that behavior needed to be halted immediately, before she jumped on and injured a not-so-understanding friend or stranger. The collar worked, though she still runs AT people, she now just licks once and runs back. Point being, the collar helped with training the lab, but a Yorkie is smaller and easier to control/dominate. It has been longer and harder training with Mister, but we're still getting positive results with out the use of a shock collar.

And crating for a "time-out" as has been discussed in other threads, is not punishment, in my opinion. Its a loss of privileges: time with me, the privilege to roam, loss of decision-making on their part. It doesn't have to be long, ten to fifteen at the most depending on the offence. Mister was crated almost all the time at his first home (their solution to potty training) and so was put off from it a bit when i got him, but we've worked together and he understands that it's his bed, his "safe place", and his "time-out" area, as does Shadow. They will both lay in their kennels just as a place to lay down, and neither fears time in the kennel.

Sorry for the long post, i hope this helps. Most of all I wish you luck in training, you'll get it!



PS. Both dogs are kenneled when there's nobody home, also. Still no fear or weariness of kennel time.

Thanks for this detailed post.

I have been using a similar type of bottle used for spraying plants and we're definitely making some improvement. His barking has gotten much better at home and he's learned "off" and "play nice". Still a work in progress though.

I bought some squirt guns today to take with us when we go out, because he still barks continuously at people and other dogs until they start paying attention to him. The stream on the guns might be a little too strong, though. I don't want to poke his eye out with a jet stream. Do you have any experience with these guns?

He also doesn't mind his kennel. He knows that it's a place to sleep and now that he's finally completely pee pad trained *knock on wood* I can leave him roaming free on his own when I'm out. But at night, he sleeps in his kennel. He's quiet when he goes in and I think he understands that it's his bed and quiet place.

I'm going to try attaching him to my hip like you said when we go for walks and see what happens. He still drags, so we need a solution for that.

Thank you again for this post. It's very helpful information :)

JessicaB 06-10-2008 09:24 AM

I am right there with you "Punkie"!
 
I have a Yorkie, Bailey, who is 2.5 years old and absolutely the most annoying dog! For the first year or so of her life, she always became overly submissive, rolled on her back, and peed when someone even looked like they might interact with her. She seems to have grown out of that, but has a million other issues. Mot of the time, she is ridiculously submissive to people and other animals. But, there are occassions where she is the complete oppositie and viciously dominant to other dogs. My aunt also has a Yorkie, Elvis, who is very well behaved. I took Bailey over there to stay the weekend. She pounced on Elvis, knocked him on his back, held him down, and snarled so vicously I thought she might try to kill him. I had never seen her do that before.

When it's just me and my husband at home, she is sweet as can be, and calm.

I made the mistake of initially training her as a puppy with pee pads. Now she thinks that any sort of rug, carpet, or mat is a pad to be peed on. I luckily have hard wood floors. Otherwise, I am certain she would pee all over carpet. I had to block off the basement because there IS carpet down there and she keeps going potty down there. How do I break her of thinking she can pee on carpets and mats??

On top of that, there is one spot behind my couch where she keeps going potty. Over and over, no matter what I do. It's ruining my wood floors. I have tried making sure to get the smell out of the wood, but that's hard to do. Tried using repellant. Tried blocking off the area, but it's impractical and she just goes as close as she can get to that spot. Tried discipline with a firm voice and holding her there in front of it.

I have a doggy door which she does use quite regulary, but she almost refuses to go out if it's raining or dark out. Some times even during a bright sunny day she won't go out, but will go in the house.

So I try crating her at night and she makes this high pitched screetching noise ALL NIGHT long. She sounds like some sort of loud bird. And she wines and barks. My husband and I can't stand it. I have tried using a water spray bottle when she does that, but it does no good. She just keeps doing it.

She is also psycho like Punkie's dog. If she even thinks for one second that there is someone at the door, she runs to it, jumps all around, scratches at the door, wiggles uncontrollably, barks, yips, screetches, cries. And let me tell you, not that I would, but I seriously think you could kick her across the room and she would come right back and keep doing it. I try to be nice about it, I try yelling, I try a spray bottle, try rolled up newspaper, I try having people ignore her when they come in, even try treats, she just won't stop no matter what. And she absolutely ignores me. It's like I am not even there.

I take her roller blading in hopes that it will help calm her down. The whole way she scretches and freaks out about people and dogs.

She goes crazy in the car. She cries and cries and cries. Tried crating her in the car, holding her, letting her look out the window, treats, and it doesn't stop. My family and I go camping a lot and we can't take her. My parents can't stand her.

Now let me tell you this. I have worked with dog trainers. I used to work for the humane society and I still volunteer there. I used to have a 145lb mastiff that was so well behaved and trained. I could roller blade with him without worrying about the fact that he weighed more then I do. He knew hand commands, voice commands, and implied commands. I crate trained him too.

I have also read Ceasar's Way (very good book by the way).

So, I do have experience and have successfully trained other dogs. I can completely understand Punkie's feeling of last resort. I do not believe in shock collars, but when you get to the point that you feel there is no hope, you have tried everything that is in your power, and the only alternative is getting rid of her or trying a shock collar... the shock collar looks like a much better alternative then getting rid of her. I would love to hire a private trainer, but it's expensive and I can't afford it right now. Bailey is the same way, you take her to a training class and she will just act like a crazy dog. You can't get her to focus AT ALL.

She used to be allowed on the furniture, but I have been making her stay down. Trying to change her habits. But she just keeps getting back up there. I must make her get down 100 times a day.

The other thing I don't get is that she knows peeing in the house is bad. As soon as she does it, she cowers and avoids me, before I even notice it. She will run and hide under the couch. She recently started this thing where if I ask her nicely to come out from under the couch, she wont. If I kneel down to look under the couch she growls at me. If I reach in there, she tries to mangle my hand. She has never done this before and it's terrible. I have NEVER had an aggressive dog so I don't know what to do about this.

I'm at at my wits end too. I have looked at the shock collars. I feel like she is far too little, but at the same time... I see collars for small dogs with pictures of little rat terriers on them. I have never agreed with them, but I feel like "What else can I do that I haven't already done?":confused: My father-in-law uses a remote shock collar on his black lab puppy and it's working extremely well. She used to be a wild dog too, but she listens now and does everything he tells her to.

I had also looked at those citranella spray collars and wondered if they work, but it sounds like they don't. They also have sonic (sound wave) collars and I am wondering if those work. I thought about trying those first. Petsmart will let you return them before 30 days if you see no improvement.

So tell me, is there something I am missing here?? I have been so close to giving her up for adoption and I don't believe in that either. I belive you get an animal for life. Not for as long as it's convenient. So that should tell you how far she has pushed me.

Maybe it IS my fault... something I am doing wrong. I have tried to analyze what I am doing and can't figure out what else to change. Ugh. :(

punkie 06-10-2008 01:01 PM

Wow, it sounds like you have your hands full too. Milo used to be the exact same way for the first 8-9 months of his life. Just incredibly submissive and would roll over for anyone and dogs and he'd pee himself if someone even looked at him. That passed, although he is still submissive with other dogs and he's pretty friendly all around except for the barking. He barks to get attention. If there's a new person or a dog around and they're not paying attention to him, he'll bark uncontrollably. I think this is my fault entirely though, for not teaching him that this is wrong when he was a puppy. I'm especially beginning to realize that now that I have been spending a lot of time with him and really trying to train him.

Thankfully he's never been aggressive, but he does like to play-bite. I'm trying really hard to get him out of that habit. When he puts his teeth on my skin, I make a loud noise to get his attention and tell him "play nice." If he stops, then I give him lots of praise, tell him he's a good boy and keep playing. If he continues, I stop playing with him and ignore him for a little while. This seems to be working. I think he's really beginning to understand and now stops most of the time when I say "play nice."

Milo is pee pad trained too and I had the same problems as you do. I had to block off my bedroom with a puppy gate because it has carpet and he kept going on it. He also kept going on the kitchen rug until I removed it. He was also peeing on the legs of the couch and the TV stand. My hard wood is pretty much wrecked because of him. So, I'll tell you what I did. The repellent did nothing for me. I ended up cleaning the wood and then spraying lots and lots of this vinegar, alcohol and lemon juice mixture I made on it and he hasn't gone in those areas since. Just make sure she can't smell the pee on the wood. When I saw him go on his pee pad, he got tons of praise and his favourite treats. If I saw him go anywhere else, I held him to show him what he did and scared him as much as I could and he'd run away. I also crated him at night and as soon as I let him out in the morning, I would take him to the pee pad and say "go pee pee" over and over again. If he left the pee pad, I'd put him back on it and repeat "go pee pee." After a while he eventually went and when he did he got tons of praise again (I'd tell him "good boy, pee pee," lol) and his favourite treats. After a while of repeating this over and over ever day, now I put him on the pad and say "go pee pee" and he goes right away. He hasn't had accidents in almost a month, which makes me just ecstatic! It also means that I don't have to crate or x-pen him when I'm out of the house. The last "accident" was when I stayed over at a friend's place and when I came back in the morning, he had gone on the kitchen tile, but I think that was out of spite for leaving him alone all night. :p

I tried something new with him today. I was playing with him on the couch this morning and I put him on the ground and said "go pee pee" so he ran to the laundry room where his pee pad is and went pee. That's my biggest accomplishment with him so far, but it took a long time. But I still don't let him into the bedroom where there's carpet and I haven't put the kitchen rug back down. When he was little, he didn't realize he could go to the bathroom outside, so I'd have to put napkins down on the ground to make him realize it was the bathroom. Now when I take him out, he goes pee, but won't go poo. He'll wait until he gets home and then does it on his pee pad. That doesn't really bother me though. As long as he's not doing it where he isn't supposed to, I'm good to go.

When Bailey screams in the crate at night, do you guys give her attention? Milo used to do that when he was a puppy and it was so loud! There was no way we could sleep like that. So I'd take his crate into the bathroom and close the door (so I couldn't hear him) and turn the lights off and go to bed. Eventually he realized that the screaming wouldn't get him attention and now he's quiet in his crate.

Milo still barks when he hears someone at the door. We live in a condo, so he hears people getting on and off the elevator or something. I can't even hear it, but he does and he starts barking. So, I spray him with water and that helps, but at first he'd run away when I sprayed him and then I'd chase him around trying to get him and he'd hide under furniture and not come out, etc... He thought it was a game. So I took the advice of ScootieBootie on here, who told me to "wear my dog" which meant attaching him to me at all times, so he couldn't run away from me. I used one of those flexi leads and put it on my belt: Flexi Elegance Belt Leash - Collars, Leads & Tags - PetSmart

I don't use those outside because they don't give me a lot of control but for this purpose, it was perfect! After getting the squirt and realizing that he couldn't get away, he's starting to run away much less now and the barking at home has improved significantly. Outside is another story since he barks at everything that moves. I just bought some squirt guns to take them on walks with me now that the weather is nice and he'll dry quickly. But I haven't used them yet. Hopefully they'll work.

Milo also HATES the car! When he realizes he's going int he car, he stops walking and I can drag him all I want or bribe him with treats, he won't even see them. He just doesn't know what to do with himself. He's quiet but shakes constantly and looks like he's having a heart attack. When I take him in his hard crate, he throws up. If I take him without the crate, he freaks out and tries to jump all over the place. I just got him a Sherpa bag because we're going to be travelling soon and he does better in that one. But still the car is a challenge. I don't really know what to do about it either.

I used to have a great dane and just like your mastiff, he was the most well behaved dog ever. I think it's something about the terrier personality that makes them hard to train. They're like little dogs from hell. I should pick up Ceasar's Way. Thanks for mentioning that.

It sounds like she's got you pretty frustrated. I decided to return my shock collar before using it because it seemed a bit harsh when I tried it on my skin and the suggestions that were made on here started to work, but you know your dog best. You decide whatever you think is best for you and her. It doesn't matter if people tell you that you're mean or it's wrong. They're not the ones dealing with a crazy dog day and night.

It really does take a long time and a whole lot of patience to try and break their habits though. It's like trying to teach them that everything they have come to know as acceptable behaviour is now wrong. The "wearing the dog" thing really does help though. That way you can catch them right away whether they're doing something right or wrong and act accordingly. Don't give up hope, it'll work out in the end. I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide. Let us know how it works out. :)

cesar49 06-10-2008 06:38 PM

good book on training called.....LET THE DOG DECIDE:):)

Marc 06-11-2008 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by punkie (Post 2028939)
Thanks for all the valuable advice. I returned the remote collar today and would like to start trying to calm Milo down and teach him to obey.

But one of the biggest problems I have is this. You had said to walk him several times a day. But when I take him out, he acts completely freaked out. He's friendly enough with other people and other dogs when they come close to him and try to touch him. He's actually over-friendly with people. But he barks at absolutely everyone and everything and won't stop. It's really humiliating. Because of this, I don't really walk him anymore.

Another problem I have with walking him is, if he doesn't feel like going where I want to take him or if he just doesn't feel like walking for whatever reason, he'll just stop. I tell him to come, I pull on the leash and nothing. Then I'll just have to pick him up and carry him. I even try bribing him with his favourite treat and he won't even look at it as long as we're outside.

I don't know what to do about that. Any suggestions?


Hey there! Yikers, lol. You are having issues with your little one, eh?

Ok, as far as the walking goes....drag him/her. I know it sounds bad....but they are going for a walk with YOU and YOU are leading the way. If my pup ever just up and lay down or whatever....I don't even turn around...I just keep walkin' along and he/she will have to pick up the pace. It won't take long and the little one will catch on that it is YOUR pace..not his/hers.

Marc 06-11-2008 11:29 AM

Oh...the barking at people/things outside. Mine doesn't do this much but I imagine what I would do is stop....get down to her level and hold her straight to my face and say NO NO NO very fimrly.....then keep on going...drag her if you must. Do this for the entire walk. I know it will feel embarrassing....but you need to show her that YOU are the boss...not her/him.

These little buggers are diffictult, eh?

mavalos 06-11-2008 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2044460)
Hey there! Yikers, lol. You are having issues with your little one, eh?

Ok, as far as the walking goes....drag him/her. I know it sounds bad....but they are going for a walk with YOU and YOU are leading the way. If my pup ever just up and lay down or whatever....I don't even turn around...I just keep walkin' along and he/she will have to pick up the pace. It won't take long and the little one will catch on that it is YOUR pace..not his/hers.


OMG, you are funny!!!!! I need to try this with my babie, she HATES to walk she just sits there or lays down until I have to pick her up....Ummm she is such a stubborn little one too!!!!

Marc 06-11-2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavalos (Post 2044480)
OMG, you are funny!!!!! I need to try this with my babie, she HATES to walk she just sits there or lays down until I have to pick her up....Ummm she is such a stubborn little one too!!!!

Ha. Well, I know it will look terrible....but I can honestly say that in the beginning of having her and taking her for walks...I did this and we can now go walking with NO issues. Even my kids did it and it doesn't take long and the pup just gives up on having their way and being dragged and picks up the pace.

Mine is having house potty issues and I will be tying her to my belt for a week or two straight and I will use the same mentality....my pace...my direction....keep up or be dragged. Lol.

I know it "sounds" mean but really it is showing them who is the boss. I'm not "pissin'" around smelling ever blinkin' blade of grass while I am out for a walk...I'll allow a couple of stops if I believe she needs to potty. If I do stop and she is smelling and clearly not doing her business....I start walking and she will now hop along rather than be dragged. She learnt and all is good. Ha.

annabelle's mom 06-11-2008 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by punkie (Post 2025995)
My dog is so badly behaved and the most stubborn dog I have ever met. He barks, chews on things, digs in the house and does not listen. I've tried a citronella bark collar on him, but it was too big for him and did not fit properly so it didn't work.

I'm thinking about getting a remote controlled static collar, but I'm worried about getting the wrong kind. He's only 4.5 lb. and I don't want to hurt him. I just want to startle him when he's doing something wrong and doesn't listen to "no". I'm looking for a collar that will pick up the signal from a distance and is small enough to fit his tiny neck.

If anyone has had any positive experience with a particular kind, I would very much appreciate the advice.

I wouldn't want to be shocked whenever I do something that displeases someone, would you?? I have always had dogs to love, and shocking them, to me isn't love. Patience and perserverance on the part of the owner is key to the dog's behaviour. I have a very
headstrong and at times, wild female Yorkie. BUT at three years old, she is beginning to
listen and obey. She has also become more loving than ever since she has calmed down.
One thing we did to give her an outlet for her energy is create a fenced yard inside our big fenced yard just for her to run free...chase lizards and birds and squirrels. Its helped
immensely.

lstrobee 06-11-2008 12:21 PM

Wow, I have read every single post regarding the training issues that people have been experiencing. I just want to thank everyone for sharing their knowledge and expertise. I have also been experiencing problems with Abbey.......although, thankfully, not to the extent that some have been having. I do spend quite a bit of time with her trying to be patient and consistant as she can be really sassy and stubborn. I know that I'm not alone and that I can come here for advice. Everyone here should be commended for taking the time and for playing such an important role in this forum! You all are very much appreciated! Thank you!

punkie 06-11-2008 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2044475)
Oh...the barking at people/things outside. Mine doesn't do this much but I imagine what I would do is stop....get down to her level and hold her straight to my face and say NO NO NO very fimrly.....then keep on going...drag her if you must. Do this for the entire walk. I know it will feel embarrassing....but you need to show her that YOU are the boss...not her/him.

These little buggers are diffictult, eh?

LOL, that will be embarrassing as hell, but I will try it. The thing that worries me is dragging him when he doesn't walk and hurting him or scraping his paws on pavement or something. But I will try it anyway and see what happens.
I started using a squirt gun at home when he barks and he is much better now. I'm going to try taking it out on walks as well now that the weather is nice and hopefully that will help too.
Thanks for the advice!

Marc 06-11-2008 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by punkie (Post 2044852)
LOL, that will be embarrassing as hell, but I will try it. The thing that worries me is dragging him when he doesn't walk and hurting him or scraping his paws on pavement or something. But I will try it anyway and see what happens.
I started using a squirt gun at home when he barks and he is much better now. I'm going to try taking it out on walks as well now that the weather is nice and hopefully that will help too.
Thanks for the advice!

Yes, that worried me as well...but no problems at all....cause they don't like it and soon just start jogging, lol. It won't take much of it.

Yup, the "scolding" in public will be a little embarrassing for the first bit....try just going around your own block using that tactic the first few times...then venture further away.

MIZBROWN 06-11-2008 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by punkie (Post 2026124)
My problem exactly! I'm not too keen on the idea of the collar either, but nothing else has worked so far. He's been to puppy classes, I've tried positive reinforcement, time out in his crate, scolding him, treats, you name it. My vet said he'd get better if I had him neutered and it made no difference. I know that people will give me all sorts of suggestions as to other means of training, but I really wouldn't be considering the collar if it weren't a last resort. I would never give up Milo, but my neighbours hate him (I live in a condo). He won't even stay quiet through the night. He's over a year old and should know better by now.

I just want to make sure that I find a collar that's safe and won't do any permanent physical harm. While I try to stay open to opinions, I'm just looking for some suggestions on collars.

I know you must be very :confused: right now... From what Ive read, you have been trying the best you know how. Some people make it seem so easy, but indeed it can be very hard. Its really easy for a person to say "read this book" or "read that book"... but, not everyones situation or dog temperment is the same. I really hope that you are able to find a solution that works best for you and your dog :)

Jeri Cunningham 06-11-2008 02:50 PM

OK I only got to page two on the responses to this. It is not torture to use a shock collar.

My Teddy the love of my life wears one all the time. He is just over three and if I take it off he barks even in his sleep. I do know how to train a dog and have been around dogs for over 50 years including breeding. Some times there is no other choice.


Teddy doesn't bark with the collar on with it off he will bark non stop.

I would not use it on a Yorkie under 8 LBS as it would be to strong for them Teddy is around 16 lbs and it is fine.

My little Chelsey at just over 5 lbs barks alot but her bark is nothing like Teddys barking I can live with it. And it is not constant.

I really hate when people are way to opinionated and say things like it is torture, I find this offensive!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:51 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2003 - 2018 YorkieTalk.com
Privacy Policy - Terms of Use


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168