Training issues...help
 

Hi

Tia was 'familar' with going to the toilet on paper; she however made mistakes. Now she seems to be getting worse :cool:

She pees and poops whenever and wherever she feels the need; if its on the paper I feel that its only because that where she was at the time.

The thing is. Whenever I try and control the situation by taking her to go toilet after she has eaten, had a drink just waken up - she will not go. She likes to go in private :rolleyes: Which ultimately means I can not praise her when she goes on the paper. How do I get around this?

I have just started crating her but she hates it and whimpers and cries.

Today I brought the training spray but it doesn't seem to give her the urge to go, well thats what I thought it was intended for!?

help... please :confused:

Bumping this up so you get responses. I pee pad trained Lucy and until she was reliable she would just have to stay behind her gate after eating, waking up until she would go.

How old is Tia?

A lot of puppies have setbacks. We have always done pretty well, because they didn't get much freedom at all until they were trustworthy. Coby is 1 year old and still doesn't have free reign of the house. He has two huge rooms and two stairways. All other rooms are 100% supervised visits. But at the first sign of setbacks, we would simply back up in training.

There was a time for Coby that at potty time (when I "know" it's potty time - like just getting up in the mornng) we actually had to use a little pen around his potty pad. He wanted to play instead of potty. He HAD to stay there until he pottied. Then there was much hoopla and he got to get out. That was actually the time he learned the "go potty" command. ;)

I would suggest you just back up. Then as things start to get better start increasing the freedom again.

It takes a lot of patience. But if you can devote a few weeks/months to the process, you'll have years of stress free living!!

Good luck. And lets see if we can get you some more ideas!

I'm eagerly awaiting the replies to this one along with you. Maddie is doing the same thing, only not quite as much. We got her last month and because she wasn't used to a leash, for the most part, she wouln't go potty when we took her outside. And because it was so cold, I din't want her standing in snow for too long, or just being out in the cold at all without any protection. So I got her some pee pads. And she did well with them for awhile, but then she started missing sometimes... leaving tootsie rolls around almost like they fell while she walked, and wet spots on the carpet randomly. She does still use the pee pads regularly, but she still won't go outside, even though it has warmed up a bit. One good thing about it... we feed our fur-family Iams, which (I discovered this over 15 years ago), has something in it that causes the tootsie rolls to have little odor. Wish it would work like that for our bigger dog! LOL

IMO crate training is one of the most effective way of training a puppy when i comes to housebreaking. it is all about consistency and patiences on the owner part.

when you give a dog to much room at the beginning to do run around the house...then they will go where ever is convenient...so you have to slowly introduce them to more and more freedom.

yes they will cry and whimper inside the crate...but you can't give in...you have to teach them that unless they can quiet down then they can't come out...because if you bring them out each time they cry and scream...then they will associated that with their freedom and will do that each time...

hope that helps...

thanks for the replies guys

Tia is 9.5 weeks old.

I'm thinking her crate is maybe too small, she can JUST stand up and turn around in it - maybe I'll try something abit bigger

well you don't want to get one to big because that could form bad habits...you just want one big enough that she can stand, lay down and turn in...

To actually "crate train" as xxmxaxrxyxx said you need a small one. That way they won't potty inside the crate (because they don't want to potty where they have to sleep). It also creates the "cave" feeling of security for them. Coby's is just big enough for him to him to stand, turn, and lay. He LOVES his little crate. Now that he's trained pretty well to the freedom he's allowed, I will leave him in a pen if we're going to be gone an extra long time. But the small crate works great for training.

Okay I feel sooo much better after having read these posts. Rocco is almost 8 months old and since he was 9 weeks I have potty trained by taking him out on a leash at least every 30 min to an hour. HOWEVER, in the last couple of weeks he has totally regressed on me. He's being terrible peeing everywhere in the house. When I take him out now on the leash he will walk around for 45 minutes just sniffing but won't do anything. But the minute we walk back in the house he pees and poops. What is up with this? I have never had a puppy do this so I'm a little upset with him. The problem is he is so darn cute and I love him so much but I'm loosing patience with him. LOL

Rocco is a cutie :p

Tia is the same; I'm consoling myself on the fact that she's only like 9.5 weeks old.

I starting to think its impossible because; she will not go toilet whilst i'm waiting; no matter how long I wait or how long I crate her she will wait until the second I am gone.

I tried the spray to see whether she would go when I am not looking but that didn't work.

Anyone have any ideas to help motivate a pup to go in the right place by themselves?

Well, I have a 5.5month old little girl now and am also severely struggling with pad training. Some of you may remember from previous posts here back several months ago I sold a puppy here on YT because I wasn't able to train her and was *overwhelmed* by the demands of the pup and she was about the same age as my pup now and I thought that she should have been better trained by that age. Well, I felt very remorseful for selling the baby and didn't get over the guilt and after all she was just a BABY!!! So, I decided to make a FULL commmitment to another special little pup (we named her, accordingly, Gracie, that was our last one's name). I searched for weeks and found her, I wanted one to look the same and be similar in size because of other issues (my daughter who missed the dog terribly)- so in my daughter's eyes the dog is back from vacation. Well, essentially I got all I wished for because this puppy is not at ALL trained (the breeder claimed she was, but I know better!) just like the other one, and I think it is a bit of Karma :o) but I am fully committed and will make it work one way or another.

Let me tell you what I am now trying and I am confident it will work someday because it seems to be a good idea I think. I definitely gave her much too much space in the beginning, like an entire living room with 2 pads, and she hit them like 50/50 and then she hit every other square foot of flooring on the lower level too :o). So, I decided to take the aggressive approach and utilize kenneling. I put her in a small kennel where she has a tiny little bed, she cannot walk, just stand up, turn around, and lay down. Right outside the kennel door is her pee pad on a tray. I keep her in the kennel with the door closed. I try to keep an eye on when she eats and am learning her patterns (we've only had her over a month). When she has napped for a while and then wakes up, I open the door so she can access her pad. The pad is inside a man-made x-pen, there is NO other floor space than the pad, so she has no options on where to potty except her bed or the pad. I will stand and watch her until she goes, then praise the bugeezus out of her and then, and only then, let her out for supervised play, only about an hour and then I put her back in the kennel and close the door- so she has to learn to hold it that way. It's kinda working, but the MOMENT she has an urge to go, she will absolutely have an accident. I have nicknamed her "the excretor" because it seems like all she does is go potty! I am hoping that she is still too much of a baby yet and it will just take a few good months of this and she will get the hang. If I put her in an x-pen to play, she will still just pee and poop wherever, even if there are 2 pads in there. Again, I think this is karma biting me in the butt. Very funny thing, karma!! Press on, at least they are cute!!!

I'm also crate training Kramer. It's not easy, he is 6 mos. old and has also regressed. He was doing well going outside, now he sometimes does nothing outside, but the minute i bring him in he goes. So, now if he does nothing outside i put him back in the crate wait an hour and then take him out again, i also started using a belly band so he won't pee on the floor. He only has run of the kitchen when he is out of the crate. But the belly band prohibits him from urinating on the floor and repeatedly going to the same spot, no matter how much miracle spray i use. It does take patience and consitency, i don't see him having free run of the house for a very long time. When he does well i let him run around longer and if he goes on the floor we reverse back to the crate until next potty time. Good luck, it defenitely tests your patience, just like kids.:mad: :animal36

Crating During The Day
 

The problem I have with the crate is that my yorkie-poo who is right at 4 months old is that he will pee and poop in his crate...and he'll lay in it and wallow in it to where I have to immediately bath him when I get home. It's like he does it on purpose. He will go outside...but he does go right in front of me inside the house. I've tried the pee pee pads but he just chews them up and makes a horrible mess...any suggestions on help with house training him?

How long is he being left in the crate while you are gone? That might be contributing to the problem of peeing in the crate. Try using the washable pee-pads. They are great. I have found that Pooch-Pads are very absorbant and protect the flooring very well. They wash up great and hold their shape. Someone here also makes them (I haven't tried hers yet) but I hear that they work well too.

:thumbup: good post

This thread really helps alot. My pup, Cookie has the exact same problem. She was doing so well for 2 weeks peeing most of the time on her pads.. but now she has been going everywhere lately. I have a little area blocked off for her own living/sleeping space and when she sleeps there at night, she'll poo and pee on the pads in the right area. But in the mornings when I let her run around the house freely, she seems to go anywhere she likes. Now she barely goes on the pad at all and its frusterating me! I have just started crate training her again but not sure how to exactly do so. Should I just lock her up in there everytime she goes in the wrong area?

I don't know if this helps or not but Xavier had been doing really great with his pad training UNTIL we used a different brand of pads. He would only poo on the new pads and decided to start peeing all over the carpet. I couldn't figure out what happened at first and now since we've been using the same old pads he has only had maybe 4 accidents :)!

This is just how I do it. When puppies in training, I actually crate them during the night. I don't want them going "on their own". I want to control the times that they go, so that we can learn and train together. They can then learn the "Go Potty" command!

When I crate, it's easy to make sure pottying is the first thing that they have to do. Because they've been holding it, they do have to go. So they get out of the crate (I put on a leash even when pottying inside on pads just for the control), go potty, have a big party, get a great treat, THEN free play time. But Coby didn't get any free play time until he pottied in the morning.

And remember, that crating isn't punishment. Crating is training. Use the crate and supervision to AVOID any accidents. Make it as difficult for Cookie to fail as possible. Structure everything so that Cookie never has much chance to make a mistake. Good Luck!

Thank you SO much. That helps alot... The area that I block off for her own living space... she usually never goes potty in the middle of the night anymore. Usually by 2pm the next day, she is still sleeping and haven't even pottied yet! Yesterday I woke up and put her on the pad right when she woke up and she peed and pood on the pad :) I find that she always goes in the right area when it's in her little living space I made out for her. When I let her run freely around the house all day.... She goes anywhere she likes! :(

I am glad that Lola isnt the only one who regressed. My husband is running out of patience with her though and wants to sell her. i am determined to get her trained though. i think i will let him read this so he knows shes not the only one. she mad him really mad the other day, she peed on the floor so we put her in her kennel and left her there for about 2 hours. and we let her out and put her on her pad and i make her stay there till she goes. she went, i let her off. she went to play with my daughter came back to give my husband kisses and peed by his foot! :( she pees outside sometimes, mostly on my floor. i have peed pads everywhere!

A puppy is alot of responsibility. It only takes time and patience! Don't give her up just yet! There have been alot of times when I felt that she wasn't learning and I became very frusterated but a puppy is alot of work. Even some at the age of 8 or 9 months aren't fully toilet trained yet. Mine is about 4 months and she goes on the pad whenever she wants to... Last night my boyfriend came home and found a dried up pee spot from a few hours ago and it had dried up on our carpet.... not a good thing! But consistency will only help. My friend suggested just sectioning off a small area for the puppy to live/play/sleep/potty. They learn better when the area is small. When she starts to catch on the idea of going in the same area everytime... slowly start and give her more space in her area. I let my pup run freely around the house and it is so much space she never knows where to go! But when she's in her little confined play area.. she ALWAYS goes in the right area. Give it time! and good luck!