yorkie boy wanted
 

hi all i need to find a yorkie boy with all his bits and bobs intact it is for breeding purposes but all my dogs are loved and live indoors as pets can anyone help a loving home is waiting many thanks xx

I'd love to help but Tino doesnt have any papers, although he is a pedigree.

thanks for the response i would like to offer a home to an unwanted dog but if i do not find a fella soon i will have to consider a stud dog until i find one anyway the search continues!

Breeding
 

Hi, please don't think I mean to be bossy or interfering or anything...buuuuttt....didn't you have problems finding homes for two little boys you bred earlier in the year?

I just wondered why you want to breed again if you have problems finding homes?

I own and Show Yorkies, yet have only 'sired' one litter so far! Mine are well bred, have fantastic heritage and do well in shows...in fact my friend is Secretary of the Cheshire and North Wales breed club. We tend to have waiting lists for pups anyway, although they are a tad more expensive, they are in demandI'm just interested is all and quite nosey!

Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you and how you resolve finding homes...do you advertise on the Kennel Club website? I think a few people tend to go there to the Puppy list to see what is available?

All the best, Dawn

I see you also had another litter in Aug/Sept time?? Am I right or have I read it wrong? Seems maybe you shouldn't be breeding all these litters if you can't find hmes for them and even if you do eventually find homes I have to wonder at why you breed so much...do you Show and breed better quality pups to go on to be good representations of the Breed or are you motivated by something else? Mind you, the pups I Show and have a hand in breeding are more expensive?? Please don't think I'm having a go I'm not, just curious and nosey!!!

All the best, Dawn

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my girls have had 2 litters so far this year i had a littletrouble finding homes for pups during the holiday season this was my first experiance of breeding so i wondered if the holiday season was to blame i found these little fellas wonderful homes, i breed occasionly because i enjoy the whole experiance and love my dogs with all my heart , the pups nevergo to just anyone i do not allow people whole have small children large dogs or are not home all day to take one i do home checks and many of the new mums and dads have continued to speak with me on a regular basis i have many pics sent to me there is no other reason and quite frankly anyone who knows me from this site will tell you i love my dog and care dearly for there babies, quite frankly you a snob!

Everybody has to start somewhere and learn how to do things themselves!

It really annoys me cos when I was looking for a puppy I was ringing round breeders and I knew nothing, not a thing and I had never owned a dog before! And I had 2 breeders even hang up on me when I was asking them questions - just for the fact that I was asking questions! :mad:

When I did eventually find a normal human being who knew that not everyone knows everything straight away - she was happy to answer my questions and let me call round to visit the puppies several times before we picked one! Whilst in the meantime I was finding out/reading what info I could to help me - she even gave me a book about Yorkshire Terriers!

It sounds to me that Mrs H actually ensures her pups go to a good home.

Help
 

Hi Alona, I don't have a problem helping people...in fact if you look for my posts you will see I have offered good advice a couple of times...what I object to is people breeding willy nilly, without knowing what they are doing and in doing so increase health problems..i.e one testicle?? Luxating patellas, do some of the people that breed a LOT know about these problems? Do they all offer to take back every pup bred, regardless of how old it is, when problems descend or circumstances change! Do they know how to breed out problems? Do they know about lineage and choosing complementing lines? I doubt it! The help they ask for is how to sell the pups they've got! If any one wants help from me or anyone else that has some knowledge they only have to ask...if you phoned me for a puppy I won't have one available! BUT you will have a choice from the next available litter...and I only breed when I want something else to bring on for the showring!

With regard to the people you've phoned and got short shrift from...well that only means one thing...they are NOT nice people anyway, as we find in life! and have no regard for the breed or potential adopters! I can't tell you the number of people I have spoken to who have wanted a Newfie from me...I have an advert on the Our Dogs site, under Newfoundland Breeders if you want to check me out! (Dawn Jenkins)But NONE have I ever sold a pup to as I haven't bred my Newfie willy nilly either! My best and prize winning bitch has a MILD stenosis and according to the rules of the Newfie clubs to which I belong, I can't breed from her...so I haven't...I know a few breeders that would regardless!!! BUT NOT ME! I have spent hours giving advice about where to buy a healthy pup, about genetic health testing that should be done, from and the trials and tribulations of owning a big slobbering lump of a dog! delightful though they are! But never ever have I put a phone down on anyone or not spoken to them, regardless of the time of day or night! I am not that rude!

My philosophy is to try to educate and get people THINKING about what they are doing and the motives for their actions! If people don't like it well, so be it, I am not RUDE, I do NOT call people names! They don't have to answer to me or my posts...but at least I haven't kept my piece and ignored things that I think need addressing. This is a public forum and as such should be treated as one...if people don't want to be judged then they shouldn't post their business on a public forum! I haven't broken any terms of service on this site, as far as I know...

It is also important for people to know that the Powers That Be! i.e Inland Revenue and Customs and Excise DO monitor sites like this and other dog forums...to keep a check on who is making money and not declaring it! Any one that breeds for profit MUST inform said powers and complete a self assessment form...those that don't(at least in the UK) are breaking the law as they are NOT declaring income!

Ohh and finally...an answer to another poster...I think you'll find that there is an abundant supply of Yorkies in the UK, providing you want well bred ones and are happy to wait a while for a lovely puppy! They are not commodities to be bought 'off the shelf' like a supermarket...I waited over a year for my first...and am STILL waiting for the right bitch...only 3 years...but hey whose counting!;)

Here's hoping for a happy, healthy thoughtful 2007 :)

I wish the breeder that I had my Robbie from had been more responsible, yes I felt I ask all the right questions, I went through the kennel club site and was recommended to her from a kc breeder that did not have any pups at the time.

I had to wait 6 months but finally was able to go and view a litter I picked out Rob and he was handed over at eight weeks.
I can only say as for his temperament he was a wonderful dog but as for his health poor little chap was not so good.

He had a testicle that did not drop I contacted the breeder who said "well I will take him back" I said that was not what I wanted but that she should be aware of his problem as I understood that she should not be breeding from his parents, she was happy with that and ended up putting the phone down.

We then discovered he had irritable bowel, and luxating patellas in both knees that had to be operated on.

Robbie passed away a year ago this month after a long illness with his bowel and tummy he was only three.

So please be responsible if you breed!!.

I don't think looking for a stud dog with the equipment to do the job is the right reason to essentially 'pick up' a male. I think it is of extreme importance to know the background on that male, including the pedigree but also know the kennels and breeders behind that male. What does he have to offer the YOrkie breed if he is used for stud? Indeed what is your bitch offering the Yorkie breed if she is bred?
What is your experience and knowledge of Yorkie genetic diseases and other factors in the breed and how much do you know about whether or not it is in the lines of the parents you are using for breeding?
This is from my website, reprinted by the author's permission. I agree with what she has said here and this is why I breed when I do a breeding. And you?
The following is by Dr. Sophia Kaluzniacki, and is reprinted with her permission



10 Rules of Ethical Breeding



The only reason to be breeding purebred dogs is to preserve the best qualities of the breed. Breeding to supply any market is not a justification.

You need to do all of your breeding with the best interests of the breed in mind. Never your pocket book.

For this you need to be a serious student of the breed and devote years of your life to it. No "in one day, out the other".

As a beginner you need to engross yourself in the breed as much as possible and ideally find a suitable mentor.

In order to be a serious breeder, you must show and compete.

You need to keep track of all puppies you produce, whether pet or show, to know how your breeding program is working.

All pet dogs need to go on a spay/neuter contract.

All show puppies need to go on a contract that will not allow breeding unless the dog lives up to the quality intended and passes all health checks and certification necessary for that breed. If a prospective breeder does not want to do this, then I am sorry but they will have to mess with someone else's dogs not mine!!

Co-ownerships allow you a certain amount of control in this regard because they require your signature in order that puppies be registered. The latest news from the AKC is that there is a pending change to the rules that will not allow registration unless all papers are properly signed. If you have a difference with your co-owner it will need to be settled in court before the AKC will register litters or puppies. This is new and still pending, but a step in the right direction.

Every breeder owes to the breed and to themselves to be involved with rescue.

Every breeder should be prepared to take any dog back for whatever reason. If they do not have the space, then they need to be prepared to make other arrangements. But take back they must!

In my ideal world one could not sell dogs. They would only be able to be given as cherished gifts to deserving individuals. This would eliminate the whole pet mill and back-yard breeding industry as they could not make any money. Of course since this world is not the way I envision it as regards dogs, we have to work within the system. So I do charge for puppies and I charge what I think is fair for the time and effort I have put into it. It is certainly not enough to cover all of the expenses. If someone cannot or will not pay my price then let them go somewhere else or take on a rescue. There is nothing wrong with paying a lower price and certainly very noble to rescue. Well I will now get off of my soap box :)



Dr. Sophia

I am sorry I think you have misunderstood me I am not a breeder nor do I ever intend to be I just wanted a healthy male yorkie, and I think it is a breeders resposibility to produce healthy pups. I do not wish anyone to go through the heart ace my family have been through because of bad breeding.

No Robbie, I know it isn't you looking for a stud dog to breed. I likely should have quoted MrsH that is looking for a male when I posted my post. My post just ended up under yours but I wasn't referring to you.
And wow, do I ever know what you are talking about with heart ache when a puppy is bought from not very knowledgable or bad breeding. Can you believe I went through it twice before I got smarter?
The first was one I was just buying for a pet. That's 20 years ago now and the breeder didn't know anything about her lines and neither did I. I didn't know that its important. The second one I bought was from someone again who knew less than I did and that one wasn't quite as bad but I sure didn't get what I was paying for.
I loved both of these Yorkies dearly, vet bills for the first one was pretty high. I lost him at 12 years of age. The second did have a pretty good life and did live to 14 years.
Both of these breeders I had bought from were breeding and selling puppies, neither knew much at all, knew nothing about the dogs in the lines of the puppies they were selling, knew nothing about genetic problems or if there were any health issues that could show up in the puppies I bought from them. I and many of the other people that bought YOrkies from them ended up with the problems.

Lorraine thank you posting, with the ethical guidelines too...it makes it easier to tell people I am NOT a snob, nor am I against anyone breeding ethically...people say they don't Show so why should they worry....they are breeding for the 'pet' market! But as I have said...a Yorkie should still be bred as closely to the Breed Standard as possible and the way to get your dogs' quality assessed is to have them compete and judged!

This is why I get such a 'bee in my bonnet' about backyard breeders and puppy mills!(we call them puppy farms here) there is only one motive to breed a few litters a year in my book and that certainly isn't a noble cause either! I shall now shut up having made my point and having gainied support for it! I haven't seen anyone posting saying it's perfectly ok to breed what we like when we like and essentially act as a puppy farmer!

All the best, Dawn:D

Hi Dawn,
Competing in the show rings goes further than just breeding to the breed standard. You see, my lines were developed from Yorkies whose breeders have been showing/breeding for over 25 years They have immersed themselves in the breed as I am. That means that we don't just look at our dogs for type, conformation etc, also we keep alert for health issues. We know our dogs, we know their parents, grand parents all the way back for many generations. If I don't personally know certain dogs as it was before my time, I know breeders that do or I know the breeder that produced that dog or bought it and can tell me all about it.
NOw that is one heck of a lot of knowledge not just for the pup I might sell as pet and its parents I am talking about many generations on both sides of the pedigree and that will include what health issues might have shown up or didn't, longevity of these ancestors etc.
The puppy farm breeders that you mention in the UK and indeed that are here that buy a female here use or buy a male there, can tell you nothing about previous generations. Even if an official AKC or Canadian Kennel Club if in Canada, pedigree is provided all it has is the registered names and registration numbers, championships if any of the dogs in those generations. It tells you nothing aobut what they looked like, nothing about health, nothing about how long they lived or if still alive.
Sure this is just maybe a pet puppy you are buying to love, but isn't that information still important? It is to me especially as I mentioned previously, I bought the first two from people that didn't know what they were doing. These two Yorkies that were my pets, never used for breeding thank God, and me paid the price for that lack of knowledge on the part of the breeders involved.

Lorraine I agree entirely and made the same points myself in earlier posts!!;)

I also meant to add...I have been in dogs for over 27 years...I have been blessed by breeders I have bought from who have been happy to help and pass on wisdom and can say that they are now firm friends, with the same ideals. We are not 'precious' about knowledge and if people ask we answer honestly! I now Judge, Newfies and Working Breeds mainly and even after 27 years am STILL learning! Sometimes I believe that if you are deeply caring and sincere it has a way of letting the Breeders you buy from appreciate that...they tend to see through most bull!! :p :p

All the best, Dawn (I am both Newfiedreams and Yorkiedreams!)

thanks for the vote of confidence i needed that i have a little boy now he has 14 champions in his pedigree mostly Ozmillion might i add i do not breed willy nilly and might i point out my parents have bred dogs for over 20 years so i have plenty of good advice when i ask for it from them and also the lovely ladies on this site, i also forgot to add when i sell a pup i offer that if there is any probs or a change of circumstances where they cannot keep them to always come back to me and never pass them on from pillar to post.

Whoops, I guess I didn't see it. :D :D
Oh well, maybe someone will read what we said and learn by it, avoid our mistakes.
I sure wish I knew 20years ago what I know now though.

Good that you do. However, I still cannot fathom why in the world you ever posted on this forum looking for a male to use for stud or to buy?
As I am involved in the show world here in Canada, Iknow many of the breeders in Canada and US, I know exactly who I want to approach and who to avoid, for a stud service or if I wish to buy a dog. I never ever would put ads anywhere in the paper or Internet looking for dogs to breed nor do I ever sell puppies in this manner.
Excuse me if I have read something wrong here, but in this manner of finding breeding stock is usually not quite the way many show breeders I respect would go about it.
I have built my line from very nice dogs that breeders have shown to championships but I also show my dogs too. My pedigrees therefore, have champions in them that I put on my own dogs myself as well as the Champions that sired my show dogs.

i put the original post out because i felt that many people on this site loved the breed and maybe could help me find a suitable little boy i would not have bought a dog that i could not check on first i have also spoken to the breeder of this boy many times so i would be sure i was being responsible and i am definatly not a puppy farmer i find this very hurtful i have 2 bitches who i have allowed to have a litter each this year i will not let them just keep getting pregnant and churning out pups i love my dogs much more than money believe me.

Yes...BUT the point is that reputable breeders do not NEED to post on sites looking for mates! I know exactly which line of breeding I want to follow when I breed...usually with the advice from my friend and mentor...and to be honest the fact that they have Ozmillion in their lines is neither here nor there...most of the quality dogs that Mr Osman breeds he keeps for himself! He has a very very nice boy in the ring at the moment, which I believe he imported?

sorry i dont think i was discusing this with you again you have jumped in with your opinions i will put you on my ignore list

Sorry, I didn't realise that having advice from someone who you insulted was in any way a no-no? If anything I should have put YOU on the ignore list! Like I said...I have every right to post on these boards as and when I like...I haven't broken the terms of service...which I suspect you have, with your very mature name-calling! If you don't want to enter into a discussion on a public board then DON'T POST YOUR BUSINESS ON HERE!!!:rolleyes:

when i want advice i will ask for it ! i didnt ask you for any advice.

I am not quite sure you quite get it. What I am saying is that if you are going to breed, you really do need to know all about the background of both sire and dam. The way to do this is to get involved in the show world, meet the breeders, learn about them and their dogs, see how their dogs do in the show rings, learn as much as you can about those lines that are in the pedigrees of any dog or bitch you are considering buying.
You already have two females that you are breeding for example. How much do you really know about them? No, don't answer me, ask yourself that question.
I had started out with one bitch I bought. I knew the breeder she came from had followed the breeder's 'career' via the Yorkshire Terrier Magazine published in California. I also talked to other breeders. I knew an excellent show breeder here in my area, knew her track record as well as that of her dogs. She agreed to a stud service on my bitch. I did the same thing as I moved ahead in my generations improving my dogs steadily as I went.
Fast forward 10 years. I needed some new bloodlines, I knew a breeder here that I had learned had a very nice male she was likely interested in placing. I bought him. I knew the breeder here, knew the lines behind my new boy also knew what he could produce as he had litters on the ground.
This summer I bought another boy from a breeder in Canada that I have known of for many years, know her track record, know her dogs and a lot of her kennel was in the first boy I bought.
Any breeder you buy from especially if you are in England and you are buying over here in North America, can tell you anything. Their websites can tell you anything. All I am saying is be careful you could find out the hard way you have been had.
As I said before it is great if you are willing to stand behind any puppies you sell. However, I have seen breeders that did not or could not really check out the people they dealt with when buying dogs only to find out there were genetic issues that cropped up later in their breeding and although it didn't happen here in Canada it was in the US that a certain breeder got audited by the AKC doing DNA and was found that a certain sire could not have sired a certain litter that was on the paperwork. What happens then is that all the generations after gets their registrations pulled.
This sort of thing can happen not just in AKC , can happen in Canada, CKC and certainly pretty much anywhere.

WHO SAID THAT??? haha:rolleyes:

I thought you were ignoring me...and you DID post asking for advice...you just didn't like the advice you got!!! Talk about picky! :( :(

thank you for your advice which i take onboard because you have not spoken down to me or lectured me like i am some awful puppy farmer i am beginning to feel like cruella devvil i really am.

Guess I\'m not on your Christmas list then??:rolleyes:

Am I wrong did maggie/mags not have two litters this year May and December? :confused:

:thumbup: Watch it or YOU\'LL end up on the ignore list too!!! LOL That makes three of us that are of the same mind and opinion about breeding...not just me then!?