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pauldo 03-31-2006 05:34 PM

Chaffins (Oklahoma) - Unethical Breeders
 
Breeder fraudulent, avoided me after sale & threatened to kill me!

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Breeder: Cissye(Merri) Chaffin
Chaffin Raised Kennel (Atoka, Oklahoma)

I’ve noticed other YT members sharing stories about unethical breeders, so I thought I might as well share my bad experience.

Last fall I was looking for a small male terrier (2-3 lb.) to breed with my female terrier and use as a stud dog. I could only find 4-5 lb. males in my area of Canada, so I went looking on the internet. (I had purchased 2 yorkies in the past and things went smoothly during and after the sale – so I was pretty trusting). I fell in love with a male yorkie advertised on www.yorkiebabypup.com (Chaffin Raised Kennel). Advertised as 13 oz. at 7 weeks, it was the smallest and was the most expensive male they had (out of about 10 male puppies). ($1500 US) The breeder, Cissye Chaffin told me the puppy was the smallest in the litter, one of the smallest males they ever had and mentioned several times how the dad was 2 ½ pounds. (I was told mom was 5 lbs.). She discussed how she thought the puppy would be small like the dad (I did the 3x 8week weight and sure enough it worked out to a 2-3 pound adult). He was adorable, the right size and I bought him. There were some red flags at this point already that should have made me suspicious:

1.Cissye sent me the 8week old pup on a 12 hour journey to Canada (now I know that the tiny yorkies need to stay with their mom much longer before attempting such a flight)
2.Cissye didn’t show me a picture of the mom (just the adorable 2 ½ pound dad) even though I asked for a picture.
3.She had about 20 yorkie pups at that time for sale, and also maltese and brussels griffin pups (does this mean it was a puppy mill?)
4.She didn’t ask me any questions to qualify if the puppy was going to a good home or what I planned on doing with him.

Well I got the puppy – he was adorable like all yorkie pups – but seemed just as big as my five pound yorkies had at 8 weeks. Plus he had these huge paws. My husband immediately told me that the puppy was not going to be a tiny adult. We weighed him and it appeared he had almost doubled his weight in about a week (now was 1 ½ lbs.). I emailed Cissye letting her know that the puppy was cute but why was he so big? Cissye always emailed back quickly b/f the sale, now I waited 3 days with no reply.

Finally I got a hold of her by phone but she couldn’t talk b/c she had a migraine. She told me to phone the next day. I did, but she told she hadn’t had time to look at his weight chart, and that her husband would phone me (he never did). She also told me to buy some stuff from Walmart to deworm him b/c maybe he was full of worms and that was why he was so heavy. My vet rolled her eyes about that one and questioned the puppy’s rapid growth as well?

By now I was becoming suspicious -- they were avoiding me, and the puppy was not the small puppy they had promised and that I had payed extra for. I again looked at the date that their ad first ran on the internet and the date of the puppy’s birth and realized that the puppy was actually 5 weeks old (and not 7 weeks as they claimed) when he was 13 oz. I recalculated his adult weight and discovered his adult weight could reach the 5 lb. range (5 lb. male dogs are $800 in Canada – I paid $1500 U.S. and with shipping, exchange etc. the puppy cost me $2300!!!).

I emailed the Chaffins again stating that I now realized they had given me false information and that I wanted to pay for what I had actually gotten (i.e. I wanted a partial refund). I did not want to exchange the puppy b/c at this point I didn’t trust them: they already had my money, and now I was going to send back the dog??? Plus Cissye had originally told me that it was the smallest male they ever had. So how could they send me a smaller one? Also I didn’t want to put this puppy back on a 12 hour plane ride ( he had arrived with runny eyes, a cough, a horrible smell that lasted weeks, and was diagnosed with an ear infection). I told the Chaffins that if they refused to reply I would report their fraudulent actions to the AKC. Again they did not reply.

I waited a couple days – got up my courage and phoned them again – Cissye was abrupt and told me she didn’t take kindly to threats. Her husband grabbed the phone from her and started yelling at me and verbally abusing me. He kept yelling “WHAT DO YOU WANT” but wouldn’t let me talk. He told me I was nothing but a complainer, a scam artist like all the other scam artists they have to deal with and that I was lucky I didn’t live close by, that I was force feeding the dog, that I knew nothing about yorkies, and that $1500 was the going price for yorkies in the U.S. and that he could have charged me more. When I realized I was getting no where with him, I said I would exchange the pup (didn’t want to do this but didn’t know what else to say) but I asked that they pay for the shipping, since it was their false information that caused the reason for the return. Mr. Chaffin refused. I then asked him to at least split the cost b/c in Can. $ it was going to cost me another $600 to send the puppy back and receive another one. Again he refused to help out and said it wasn’t his fault the Canadian currency was so rotten. At this point I was so frustrated, overwhelmed, and feeling victimized that I started to cry. Mr. Chaffin told me he had better things to do with his time then listen to me cry. I finally lost it, swore at him (I never swear), and told him I was reporting their service to appropriate organizations. It was then that Mr. Chaffin told me that when he comes to Canada to go hunting he’s going to coming looking for me with his gun. He then hung up on me.

On the phone, Mr. Chaffin was totally out of control and sounded like a lunatic. Since I don’t know him from Adam, I decided I should bring his threats to the attention of law enforcement agents. This incident has been reported to the Canadian police and Atoka sherrif’s department. They have dealt with this matter with Mr. Chaffin and commented that Mr. Chaffin to has a “I’m right and every one else is wrong” attitude. He was rude until he was told that a further threat would have him turned away at the Canadian border – according to the police office, Mr. Chaffin suddenly became civil.

When my male puppy finally reached 5 lbs, I got a letter from my vet verifying the weight and e-mailed a copy to the Chaffins letting them know my instincts had been correct, and that I was not the “complainer” and “scam artist” I was accused of being. I asked them one more time if we could work something out. They did not reply - I wasn’t surprised – they already had my money.

My male puppy is now six pounds – a breeder in my area told me to neuter him b/c he will be too big to breed with my 5 lb. female. I have debated selling him and starting over with a new male, however, I will only get $800 for him if I’m lucky. Also my kids have become attached to him, and he to us … Unfortunately I want to stay as a small breeder and I am not in the position to own terriers I cannot breed. I am now in a real dilemma.

One thing I’ve learned from this experience is that it’s not what happens during the purchase that makes a breeder a good, ethical breeder but how the breeder acts after the sale. In my opinion, the Chaffins just want to sell a puppy, and don’t care about the purchaser’s needs or the puppy’s well being. I’m hoping by bringing our experiences into the open, that breeders like the Chaffins will think twice before misrepresenting facts/scamming and abusing their purchasers.

txshopper73 03-31-2006 06:52 PM

I read that story in another thread. This is terrible! :thumbdown

yorkie41 04-02-2006 02:10 PM

puppy
 
I'm so sorry you had such a horrible experience

Kelz 04-03-2006 11:21 AM

thanks for the warning!!

PlatinumYorkies 04-03-2006 08:19 PM

That's just wrong. I mean this is just wrong! Sorry you were treated poorly

pauldo 04-10-2006 10:53 AM

I received this from a yorkie talk member as a p.m. so I won't identify the name:

Cissye Chaffin

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I'm really sorry to hear about your experience with the Chaffins. I know first hand that they are TERRIBLE people. Before I knew much about Yorkies, I got my first one from them. That experience taught me what NOT to do, and the type of people that I shouldn't deal with. Many of the things that happened to you, happened to me as well. Unfortunately, they will continue to do the awful things that they do, and there is not a whole lot that hurt customers like ourselves can do about it. I think that your post here was a great idea, and certainly no one who reads it will ever buy from the Chaffins. I just thought I should let you know that you are not the first person to have horrible problems with Cissye. I feel awful for all of the dogs that she has. They are housed outside and undoubtedly not well taken care of. I'm sorry this is brief, because I could certainly say a million more horrible things about this "breeder." Please keep in contact. I'd LOVE to know what happens in the future.
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TrueReviews 04-29-2006 10:57 AM

I went through a similar thing with a Georgia yorkie breeder. We spoke on the phone and she said she had 3 male Yorkies and 1 female who were 17 weeks old. I explained to her I wanted a boy who would stay under 3lbs. She said she had the perfect puppy for me. She explained that she never sold her puppies under 17 weeks old. I went through an interview process on the phone then drove out to see and purchase the puppy. When I got there I saw 3 puppies. 2 bigger and one sooo small he could curl up in my hand and sleep. She said here are the 17 week old babies. I fell in love with the smallest boy and after an interview with her about my house, yard, where he would stay and everything he would need I took him home. (My first mistake was agreeing to wait for the paperwork to be mailed to me...I know to never do this again. It took 2 months to arrive here). The really surprizing part came a few days later. Romeo...my boy was unable to eat so I took him to my vet for the initial checkup. They told me he weighed about 7oz. (He was tiny) and that there was no way he was 17 weeks old. I had been afraid of that! I didn't realize he was that light weight though. He was all fuzz but looked like the other yorkies she had. Anyway they said he was about 5-8 weeks if even. The reason he wasn't eating is because he was obviously never weaned from his mother. He had to be bottle fed for weeks. then given canned food until his teeth had gotten strong enough to eat solid foods. I called The breeder Jennifer and she told me he was 17 weeks and that my vet was lying. This made me mad. My vet is sooo good and didn't even charge me to help him...their concern was keeping him alive. We argued on the phone then she said she would check something then call me right back. Every call I placed after that has been excuses. Romeo has slow growing hair, he is getting bigger every day...he is 8 months old and weighs almost 6lbs from the last weighing. She never calls me back and if she answers when i call she always avoids responding except to say she will look into it and call me back (she has never called me back)!!! When the paperwork came in it said when I got him he had just turned 8 weeks old. I was sooo mad. I knew she had lied. My vet still thinks that was not his paperwork because if it was he was underdeveloped badly. He is better now but Jennifer was the worst breeder I ever dealt with and it made it hard to trust breeders for a long time. Romeo is my baby and will be with me for his entire life. I didn't want to contact her to return him...I just wanted to know why I was told he was going to be small and was supposed to be 17 weeks old. Always research breeders before buying...that is what I learned! Many good breeders will give a reference list of previous buyers you can ask about their babies. My pom breeder did when we got a pom puppy for a friend.
Anyway I can relate to your story!!!
~Tru

TrueReviews 04-29-2006 11:09 AM

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Here are pictures of Romeo a few weeks after he came home. He may not look too tiny but that is a keychain Scoobydoo and a preemy pacifier with him:

JeanieK 04-29-2006 11:35 AM

I truley believe it is more important to find the right breeder, then the right puppy. too many people get hung up on all the hyope, they don't even care about the breeder.

Any breeder can falsify the registration information, but a reputable breeder won't.

red98vett 05-01-2006 03:26 AM

I feel so bad reading these kinds of stories. Many so called 'Breeders' LIE. The good ethical breeders will be honest with you...but there are many many breeders out there just out to make a buck and will tell you what you want to hear. They DO sound like a small mill with the multiple breeds. BIG RED FLAG there.

What really bothered me with your puppy was how unhealthy he seemed to be ...not his weight....that's so sad ....and for a breeder to claim he was probably 'full of worms' is DISGUSTING. What an awful thing for them to say.

Being threatened with guns is pretty scary. I would be tape recording each conversation if I were you.

I hope you don't hold his weight against him ...he deserves a loving home as all dogs do...and if your kids are already attached - why not keep him ? It's so sad to see these little guys bumped from home to home when all they did wrong is just weigh a little more than someone expected.

pauldo 05-02-2006 10:43 AM

RED98VETT: I truly don't hold his weight against him - he is now 7 lbs. - and is cuddly and affectionate. It's still disappointing how much I overpaid for him. I could have gotten a standard male yorkie here in Canada for $700. I ended up paying with shipping, exchange, etc. $2200 for him - and now I can't use him for a stud(way too big), must neuter him (another $200) and use another stud (found one in another town -- this will cost me $500). Believe me, I can't afford to spend $2400 on a pet - but was willing to spend the money b/c I saw it as a business (breeding) expense. For whatever reason the Chaffins have now dropped their prices, but still claim that many of their puppies will be 3 pound adults????

TRUE REVIEWS: Sorry you went through a similar experience -- it is very frustrating to be treated like that and have little recourse. I can't believe a breeder would send such a tiny puppy away from his mom so early. I am glad he is now healthy. Did he at least end up under 3 pounds like the breeder promised? Do you want to share the breeder's name so that we can add it to the list of breeders not to use?

TrueReviews 05-02-2006 11:51 AM

don't use these breeders:
 
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Originally Posted by pauldo
RED98VETT: I truly don't hold his weight against him - he is now 7 lbs. - and is cuddly and affectionate. It's still disappointing how much I overpaid for him. I could have gotten a standard male yorkie here in Canada for $700. I ended up paying with shipping, exchange, etc. $2200 for him - and now I can't use him for a stud(way too big), must neuter him (another $200) and use another stud (found one in another town -- this will cost me $500). Believe me, I can't afford to spend $2400 on a pet - but was willing to spend the money b/c I saw it as a business (breeding) expense. For whatever reason the Chaffins have now dropped their prices, but still claim that many of their puppies will be 3 pound adults????

TRUE REVIEWS: Sorry you went through a similar experience -- it is very frustrating to be treated like that and have little recourse. I can't believe a breeder would send such a tiny puppy away from his mom so early. I am glad he is now healthy. Did he at least end up under 3 pounds like the breeder promised? Do you want to share the breeder's name so that we can add it to the list of breeders not to use?

No Romeo is now 5.5lbs (still small but he is also still growing)
I got Romeo from Jennifer Cole www.colepups.com
Lexie came from Justin www.familyyorkies.com
I wouldn't recommend either breeder! I just learned Romeo actually was sold by Jennifer Cole but cam from Janet Miles in Alabama. I guess she is the actual breeder. I suppose that goes to show you can't always trust what people say...Jennifer said she was the breeder. My tips are always check the AKC banned breeder list (there is a Janet Miles on there...weird huh...think it might be the same woman in a different location???) research the breeder you buy from, always ask to see the parents, and well just be careful. I do believe there are good breeders out there! Many find them! I am still looking but I don't recommend using these! Unless you want lies and the risk of losing a baby! If I hadn't stayed with Romeo 24-7 bottle feeding, washing, cleaning, and medicating him he never would have made it. I was like his surrogate mommy. He was sooo young he had to be helped to go to the bathroom at times. So know who you deal with and watch who people on here reccommend! I think that is a better bet bacause people on here are helpful!
~Tru

scrapbetter 05-02-2006 04:25 PM

I hate to hear you were so taken, but she was one of the first people I contacted about getting a yorkie, since I am in Oklahoma, and I found her sentence...."Let me know if you are looking for a specific type of puppy, if I don't have it, I can get it" I found this one sentence to be all I needed to move right along...

pauldo 05-03-2006 10:47 AM

scrapbetter: You were wise! I guess I was so in love with the picture of tiny Tiko on the Chaffin's website that I didn't use any common sense. After getting Tiko, the Chaffin's were so verbally abusive when I expressed concerns and make me feel like I was the problem -- not them. As I hear from others (like yourself) and speak to various Oklahoma pet kennels I have discovered that the Chaffins have had a poor reputation for a long time! Boy, will I handle my next purchase differently. (Poor Tiko is booked for being neutered next week.)

airplane_girl 05-12-2006 09:23 PM

close call! I had emailed her ( Chaffin) about a pup. We almost were close to getting a little boy from her but my Fiance decided that we should wait till after the wedding. So I'll be looking sometime after June this year!!

pauldo 05-15-2006 09:45 AM

Airpline Girl: It was interesting to see your response b/c I just received an odd, illogical email from Cissye Chaffins the other day that stated:

“I have read the things you have at yorkietalk and then the same people want a puppy…The things you are putting on the internet are helping my business not hurting so thank you…”

Other comments in their email include:

1.”you have taken and changed what was said to fit your scam”(Hmmm…the Chaffins still seem to be referring to unhappy customers as “scammers” -- they seem to forget that I was the one that was deceived and lost money)

2.we “get emails from people who understand how you are” (I don’t get this one either since I live up in Canada).

3.”[Those that have had problems with me] can please email me with the problems they have had with me I will take care of their complaint. (I can imagine …I know first hand how the Chaffins handle complaints: verbally abuse and physically threaten).

4.”You have threatened us physically [WHAT???] …You have been reported to the United States Border Patrol as a danger.” (My training is actually in law – you cannot just go report someone as a danger at the border – there’s a lot more involved – the Chaffins definitely lie quite easily)

5.”We are feeling very sorry for you in your mental state of mind…I am praying for you”.

Hmmm --- it appears to me that the Chaffins have convinced themselves that what they are doing (lying, being verbally abusive, threatening) is legitimate behavior and that anyone who dares challenge them is “mentally unstable”.


Airplanegirl you are lucky you avoided them!!!

airplane_girl 05-16-2006 02:25 AM

pauldo

Yes I'm glad that I did!
Thanks for the heads up
now I know better
Interesting comments about:
these comments have been helping her business


I think yt members know better when it comes to bad reviews.

YorkieGuru 05-24-2006 03:48 PM

Yes we sure do. That breeder can be scratched off the list. :thumbdown

Meisa 08-31-2006 11:03 AM

These Unethical Breeders from Oklahoma are giving us Okies a bad reputation and I am very sorry for this. I have also had a bad experience with a breeder here in Oklahoma. I do realize a lot of this is my fault as I did not do what we all know we should when buying a Yorkie. See the parents, see the kennel. etc.

I wanted a small Yorkie, one that would not get over 3 1/2 lbs at most. I purchased a female for $700 but decided she was going to be bigger than I wanted. She was approx. 2 lbs at approx 16 wks. I doubled that to determine her adult weight and figured she would be 4 lbs or more since I really wasn't sure how to figure their weight. I realize 4 lbs is still small but not what I wanted. I sold her to a co-worker that was looking for a Yorkie for his wife. He really got a kick out of me because I printed out instructions on how to care for her and talked to him about how she would be taken care of especially since they have 3 small boys. Anyway, I found another female weighing 1.3 lbs at the same age, doubled that and she would be around the size I wanted. The breeder told me the mother was 3 1/3 lbs and dad was 2 1/2 lbs. In July she weighed 4.5 lbs and the first Yorkie is now 2 1/2 lbs. When I contacted the breeder, she said she told me the mother was 4.5 lbs and she was sorry she wasn't what I wanted. the end! My now 4.5 lb Yorkie also had Legg Perthes and had to have surgery. The breeder's comment was I didn't sell you a breeder. She said my Vet did not know what he was talking about because she contacted her Vet and her Vet had never heard of this. We argued all weekend and I finally just gave up. Partly because I knew it was my fault too. I did not see the parents, I did not see the kennel, I just feel in love with this tiny little face. My husband thinks she was probably younger than what she said also. Oh, and I paid $1200 for the second one. I thought the only way I was going to be able to get what I wanted was to pay a higher price and my husband agreed to spend that much so I could finally have the tiny Yorkie I wanted. No one understands why this is so upsetting to me because she is still small. But, she also has none of the qualities I wanted. She does not play, she cannot jump up in the chair, her hair will not change colors like my other Yorkie. She pretty much eats, sleeps and follows me around the house. The first one, Luci, had attitude and I like that Yorkie attitude. I am very disappointed in this one but cannot afford to get another one. She is sweet but there is just not the connection with her that I wanted. I am just stuck. The breeder I got the second Yorkie from is now selling "Designer Dogs" on Next Day Pet. Haven't seen any Yorkies from her since I got mine. After I purchased mine, another co-worker informed me (too late) that this breeder was known for selling dogs with genetic problems. Wish she had known I was talking to the woman about a dog before I spent $1200. Expensive lesson learned.

pauldo 09-02-2006 09:27 AM

Sorry to hear about your similar experience. Are you thinking about selling her or wld it be too hard to get that $ back. I know that wasn't a possibility here where I live to get $1500 for a yorkie so I just kept Tiko. I (like you)had trouble bonding with Tiko (he wasn't what I wanted, I overpaid, his breeders were mean, mean, mean to me, he didn't play like my female yorkie.........) however, we have now really become attached to him, and despite his 8lb size -- adore him. No, he doesn't play like Kira, but I have discovered that he has his own style of playing and his own personality which I didn't seem to notice or appreciate until we had him for several months. Anyways I still understand your disappointment -- I still am attracted to those "tiny" yorkies and still am always looking at yorkie ads. Can you share your yorkie breeder's name with us so we know who to avoid. Thanks.

Meisa 09-02-2006 10:52 AM

I really feel quilty that I just can't seem to accept this yorkie. I look at her and just want to cry because she isn't what I wanted or what I thought I was paying for. My husband loves her. Although he has a yorkie that plays all the time and jumps in his lap. She is cute and very sweet, but not what I want. No, I know that I cannot sell her and get my money back especially with the hip problem. She still is not using the leg all the time and I'm not sure she ever will. Where I live most people would think I was crazy for paying what I did and to be honest I won't tell anyone what I gave for her. I can only hope that I can bond one day. I am just afraid that although I may accept her to a point, I will never have the connection with her that I so desperatly wanted. I am constantly looking at adds also. Although I really can't afford to buy another one right now and afraid I will just make the same mistake again. And what if the next one has more medical problems. I'm really not trying to replace my Cassie but I loved that she could jump up in my lap and would sit on my shoulder. She was 3 1/2 lbs and I just wanted one that didn't get any bigger than she did. I loved her attitude also and I could play with her. Meisa just looks at toys and wants nothing to do with them. Just wants to lay around. I am glad that at least someone understands my disappointment instead of laughing at me or making me feel worse for not being happy with her. My kids and husband think I am being ridiculous and should be happy with her. Of course everyone else I know has 100 lb dogs so she IS tiny to them. The breeder I purchased her from was Sandy Dishman in Braggs, Oklahoma. I really could not understand her attitude. I thought since she was a breeder and this disorder showed up in one of her pups, she would want to know about it and not use these same parents in future litters. But, she didn't care. She told me that since I knew so much about Legg Perthes and her vet had never heard of it, that I should write a theises about it and send her a copy with my references. Anyway, thanks again for understanding and I too am sorry for your bad experience with an Oklahoma breeder. I'm sure there are good breeders in Oklahoma, unfortunately the bad ones are the ones we hear so much about. Please don't judge us Okies by your experience. Or maybe we need to hear more about the bad ones so this won't happen to any of us.

baby03 09-02-2006 12:39 PM

Sorry you had such an awful and hateful experience!! Bad breeders /scammers are all over the place !! I just got my second yorkie and I was amazed at what I saw while I was looking. I found one lady who claimed to be a breeder of yorkies for 30 years. Come to find she was buying them out of the newspaper in and around small towns and reselling them for more and wasn't a breeder at all!!! :thumbdown

pauldo 09-02-2006 08:16 PM

Baby03 - those poor little puppies going from home to home -- what some people won't do to make a $...

Meisa -- I forgot to ask you how long you've had your new girl -- if it's just been a few months that's probably why you are feeling the way you do. It took me 6 months b/f I stopped thinking about selling Tiko. Are there other options for you to get another yorkie? I just bred my female to a small 3lb. stud a few weeks ago and I am hoping that she is pregnant, and will have at least one tiny in the litter. Although my husband thinks I'm crazy he has agreed to let me keep one puppy (that wld mean we would have 3 yorkies - up until a few years ago my husband wouldn't even consider 1 dog in the house!!!)... Sandy Dishman sounds rude, rude, rude -- I can just imagine the sarcasm in her voice when she asked you to send her a "thesis" on Legg Perthes.

baby03 09-02-2006 08:32 PM

You think that lady was bad ?? Found one with over 60 dogs. She had yorkies, chi's, bostons, and westies:thumbdown She had them in a building type thing with a/c in little kennels. When I walked in there I was like " yeah I've seen enough". I took my business elsewhere:mad:

Meisa 09-03-2006 05:23 PM

Actually it's been about 8 months since I got her. My sister tells me I'm probably feeling this way because I am still mourning the loss of my Cassie in June making it even harder for me to accept her. I had her spayed at 6 mos so breeding her is not an option. I was suppose to get the pick of the litter from the one I sold a friend but she is way too small to breed. Since she was the one we thought would be around 4 to 5 lbs, he had planned to breed her and if I would sell her to him, he would give me the pick. Think I'm just going to give it more time. I regret selling the first one and afraid I'd be making the same mistake again. One regret is all I can deal with right now. Don't know if I could convince my husband to get another one but maybe later.

RMKC 09-04-2006 07:29 PM

All i can say : Poor Dogs !

Susanbee51 09-04-2006 08:15 PM

I am sorry for the bad experience you have had with your "Breeder". All I can say is that from the 1st day I held my little girl in my arms, you couldn't have gotten her away from me no matter what. Did I care how big she got or how much she would weigh at adulthood. NOT A BIT!! Would I have been upset with a health problem. SURE, YOU BET!! She would have been to the vet and the surgical procedure taken care of immediately. Was she cute at 3 lbs? Of course. At 4? Definately. 5? Still just as beautiful. 6? She is my gorgeous little girl.

I had an opportunity when chosing my yorkie, of getting one that would be 3 pounds at adulthood. I was also cautioned about the additional health problems, risks and the frailty of such a small little one. No thanks. I prefer enjoying my little girl instead of spending time at a vets office.

I cannot understand returning an animal that has been a disappointment because of size. Health issues, I understand the frustration there. I would hope that your contract with the breeder stated a guarantee that they would pay or reimburse a portion of any genetic problems being treated by a vet.

I didn't know that a breeder could give you an absolute guarantee on the size the puppy would be at adulthood. I would guess there is a chart that goes by the averages, but is not a guarantee that if your puppy weighs 18 ozs. at 6 weeks, she/he will only weigh 3 lbs. as an adult.

red98vett 09-05-2006 04:02 AM

Man I feel so sorry for the dogs in this thread. :( :( :( :( RMKC - I'm with you - Poor Dogs is right

What happened to accepting what they are (size) and DEALING with it ? I know if you plan to breed - size is important - but a novice breeder cannot just get a cheap yorkie and HOPE it's the size they want - you all need to do alot more research if you don't want these kinds of problems. The yorkies are the ones suffering....I hate to see people screwed out of money - but I think I feel worse for the yorkies that are getting kicked to the curb because they weigh a FEW pounds more than expected.

I don't want to sound mean & I mean no harm here - but it's something to think about. IF YOU PLAN TO BREED - Find the best breeder you can and spend the money....ETHICS are rare out there- the ethical breeders may charge a bit more - but in the end it's worth it.

Meisa - I TRULY mean no offense - but your yorkie may sense you don't like her - I can't imagine a puppy not playing. She sounds sweet and I hope she finds more love in her life.....We can't bond with every animal but it sounds like you aren't even trying.

red98vett 09-05-2006 04:12 AM

I had to add one more thing - (sorry for the rant - on my 3rd cup of coffee) but for all you that WANT TO BREED - I would advise not buying off the net. It may take alot more work but you need to find a GOOD breeder to purchase your 'dream' yorkie from - just finding a cute website and trusting they will keep their word is nuts. I feel bad you all were taken advantage of but honestly - you're taking a big chance with the many Internet Breeders out there

I'm saying this and will shut up - IF you did get a yorkie that is larger than the standard - be happy if he/she is healthy. Think of all the sick puppies we're seeing now - Too many are dying and have serious health issues - so in MY (humble) opinion :) - Why not be grateful you have a healthy yorkie...

ok...Stepping away from the coffee now....

Mardelin 09-05-2006 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett
I had to add one more thing - (sorry for the rant - on my 3rd cup of coffee) but for all you that WANT TO BREED - I would advise not buying off the net. It may take alot more work but you need to find a GOOD breeder to purchase your 'dream' yorkie from - just finding a cute website and trusting they will keep their word is nuts. I feel bad you all were taken advantage of but honestly - you're taking a big chance with the many Internet Breeders out there

I'm saying this and will shut up - IF you did get a yorkie that is larger than the standard - be happy if he/she is healthy. Think of all the sick puppies we're seeing now - Too many are dying and have serious health issues - so in MY (humble) opinion :) - Why not be grateful you have a healthy yorkie...

ok...Stepping away from the coffee now....

Yeah! So, glad you posted this, and I'm in total agreement with you. So, many people wanting a yorkie or have adopted a yorkie from an internet breeder think you can just push a button and out comes the yorkie you have put in an order for. Reputable breeders do not and I say do not breed for tinies (too many health issues may occurr). No such thing as a teacup, read the standard, this is just an advertising ploy to bring in the bucks. Size is unpredictable in this breed. Parents do not determine size.


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