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Old 06-21-2012, 12:37 PM   #196
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I dont see it now either they changed the site a lot. They used to have their inspection reports posted. Maybe they are no longer required to be USDA after the regulation changes 3 years ago...I'll shhot an email out to Amber and ask about it. Feel free to contact thwm.Many dont like their practicea or choices in breeding but I like how they are so honest about it and respectful of critism.
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:58 PM   #197
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I dont see it now either they changed the site a lot. They used to have their inspection reports posted. Maybe they are no longer required to be USDA after the regulation changes 3 years ago...I'll shhot an email out to Amber and ask about it. Feel free to contact thwm.Many dont like their practicea or choices in breeding but I like how they are so honest about it and respectful of critism.
I'm going to assume that you are already aware of this, but for those who are not, under the Freedom of Information Act, we are entitled to view a breeder's name, address, as well as all of their inspection reports by clicking the link below.

I feel like I have to qualify everything that I say to you with "I know there are exceptions, but" the overwhelming majority of the time, if a kennel is USDA licensed, the reason they are is because although they may sell directly to the public, they also sell to pet shops and third party brokers. There really is no other reason to take on the additional expense, and "bad conotation" that comes with being licensed.

One of the projects that I am working on is a visual "what you see versus what you get" campaign, where I visit websites of USDA kennels and document what they advertise themselves as being, and then pull up the report and document what they actually are, If I'm lucky I can even get my hands on photos of their actual kennels that were taken by the inspectors.

If you look at the reports and see that a particular kennel has zero violations, another thing to remember is that all that means is that they have met the minimum requirements to be in compliance, which we already know are a joke. The only way to be 100% sure, is to visit the kennel ourself. Also, less common but definitely happening, the kennels have two addresses, one where they "show" they dogs, and one where they actually keep them.

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Old 06-21-2012, 01:26 PM   #198
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I would never buy from anyone who mass produces puppies. I realize that those who breed larger breed dogs do use the larger outdoor kennels but even they are breeding on a larger scale than I feel comfortable with . These are dogs not cows. They deserve a better life than living in a pen all their lives in order to produce money for someone. Even if they are not over crowded it is no life for an animal that is meant to bond with humans. A dog that has lived it's life in a kennel produces puppies that are not properly socialized as well. They are not farm animals. I don't even agree with the veal producers much less those who use dogs as their means of living.
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:28 PM   #199
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http://www.thepuppymillproject.org/new_home.html

Im a supporter of this group they did the same thing having volunteees wear hidden video cameras.
I hope you pist yours here, watch your legalitues, pup mills BYB and greeders love to threaten law suits so get some sound legal advice.

Please enlist any help needed here, this group of people can be very proactiv and generousin lending help.
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:42 PM   #200
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Uh...how many AKC and YTCA members use kennels?
Did that standard change?
btw the Beers only breed females a few times then they are pettes out, dog breeding for oets supports their showing not their personal livelyhood.
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:31 AM   #201
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here's a good story, a friend in my yorkie group saw an ad for a family that was moving and had to surrender their 7 year old yorkie. She posted on our FB and my breeder has contacted them and told them she will take the dog and find it a new home
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:17 AM   #202
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So, I'm going to move over to the rescue threads, as I can hopefully make more of a difference there. Just wanted to leave you ladies with a pic of a beautiful silky that is looking for a home, if anyone from the Colorado area is thinking about adding a new dog to their family. She is a mill survivor, and thus, not for everyone - but when the right person comes along, Liza Jane will change their life. There are many more like her available at milldogrescue.org
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I purchased my Yorkie from a pet store, and my chihuahua from a backyard breeder.

And you gave me a hardtime repeatedly posting about the fact that I choose to buy my puppies from a responsible breeder??? While, you are directly responsible for supporting a puppy mill!

To quote the eloquent rapper 50 Cent, "You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house, and if you've got a glass jaw, you should watch your mouth."
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And you gave me a hardtime repeatedly posting about the fact that I choose to buy my puppies from a responsible breeder??? While, you are directly responsible for supporting a puppy mill!

To quote the eloquent rapper 50 Cent, "You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house, and if you've got a glass jaw, you should watch your mouth."
Kazzy, I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I have never given anyone a hard time, or posted anything at all about whether or not they have purchased from a breeder or pet shop. I have said from the very beginning that, in my case - I purchased from a pet shop (going back 13 years or so ago) and a byb, because I had no earthly idea that puppy mills existed, never mine what they were. I recently lost my princess (yorkie) but she was the love of my life and I couldn't imagine my life without her. That being said, because I now know the truth about puppy mills and pet shop/byb connections, I will never purchase another pup. So, please take care to read all of a thread before you make accusations. k? My goal now is to make sure that people know about puppy mills and how they can make sure the pup they adopt/purchase is not the product of one.
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KAZZY just made me apit tea on my smart phone by quoting 50cent...hope it doesnt kill it went right in the speaker grid...
In all fairness manu of us do not learn the reality of suppoeting bad breeding until we realize our own mistakes.

My first dog I got myself lived 2 days with me a puppy I got from a pet store on the ride home from Oregon it became very ill I thought it was car sickness, the following morning it became worse after about 28the hours in critical cobdition at the vets it died before I had even named it.

So I got a pup mill dumpee from the pound major issues I wanted to get an older dog from a personal breeder well about everyone here knows or can read jow Elvis' adoption went, I supported a hobby greeder.
Derik chose Princess and we love the Beers but again they are a huge multi breed pet quality kennel.

Ihave never went to a responsible breeder...however I'm the first to help education others on how to not make my mistakes.
Responsible breeders abd rescues are the only way to adopt.
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The puppy I got tested positive for parvo and parasites. I chose it because it seemed so mellow and snugglie I didn't even know what parvo was then.
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so have we heard if anything has moved forward with this China any word from greeder/broker central
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She has spoken again, I'm a theif, blah, blah, blah! Won't give her puppy back, and I'm the bad guy. But who's not advertising for puppies anymore? Hmmmm
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Spoke to soon, I think she's back in business!!!!!! Just so her ad in local paper.
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Is this the same woman who had to surrender all her pups??
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