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Personally I get what Kazzy said. I've lived it, understand it, respect it and applaud her for saying it.

Not everyone can be a foster parent.
not everyone chooses to adopt a skin kid, should we fault those who procreate because of America's ridiculously high rate of children in foaster care awaiting adoption?...too far? I really do consider my dogs as my skin kids it's just my perogative.

Absolutely agree with you. I wish I had the time and money and I'd rescue them all, but there are folks out there who are fortunate enough to be able to. Just wish it wasn't a necessity, you should have to pass a government test and application to get a dog I swear.

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When my kids were young we tried adopting from a shelter a couple of times. One puppy died of distemper the next day. An adult dog tried to bite one of the kids. As it turned out the dog had been abused at it's previous home. It wasn't that we could not have given a discarded animal a good home but it seemed circumstances were against us and we didn't want another heartbreak. We ended up getting a purebred puppy from an established breeder with a good reputation. We dearly wanted to give a suffering dog a loving home but it didn't work out. Everyone has their reasons for what they do. I would have no qualms about adopting a needy dog now. At least with a rescue they take the time to match the dog with the right people.

I think the post could have been reworded..it sounded very untoward IMHO. There are many people on here that live and breathe rescue everyday...they see things none of us WANT to see...and they deal with those castaways etc.. their work is the work "we" don't choose to do...I don't think any of those rescuers on YT would want you to feel as if you have to do it...I don't think they mind if you use a reputable, ethical breeder....I'm sure they'd rather you brought a pup home....but, I personally think the post was harsh, very harsh...IMHO

But maybe I read it wrong....

I find it ironic that the end of your post is "I needed to be heard."

So, you have a right to be heard but I don't have a right to voice my opinion? Certainly not in a fashion that doesn't "sit well with" you, huh? :confused:

I re-read what I wrote. Perhaps the "sound" you are picking up on is one of offense at being told (implied or direct) what I can & cannot do by someone who has no such authority. I find such behaviour both offensive & oppressive...hence the 'step off' tone you may have picked up on.

I also don't get how my post is "a slap in the face" to anyone other than an irresponsible owner. And those I would like to slap, and the face is as good of a place to start as any.

I admitted, I do have an issue with the Big Brother attitude of those that think they can tell you what to do...ie: don't get a puppy from a breeder because there are so many dogs in shelters & rescues. Because, as I stated previously I don't believe those in the wrong in society should set the rules for the rest of us. I have never rehomed, given up, thrown away (whatever terminology you chose) a dog...ever! I have also never contributed a single dog to the pet population...ever! My dogs are mine from the day I bring them home until they die. So, as I responsible pet owner, I believe it's my right to CHOOSE what I want for myself. Who are you to infringe on my rights & limit who I choose to bring into my family?

Concrete Gurl nailed it when she said it's like telling people they can't have a baby because there are kids in fostercare. Do you go around pointing at pregnant women's bellies yelling, "because of YOU a child is homeless!!!" To me, that kind of attitude alienates people to your cause...it doesn't get them on board as it fails to recognizes the true root of the problem.

The problem is not people like me, who after due diligence researching & meeting with breeders, chose to buy a puppy from them. IMO, the problem lies with the greeders that wrecklessly churn out puppies for profit, the idiots that buy their dogs at pet stores (outside walmart, at flea markets & all the other equally ridiculous places we've heard about), and the irresponsible owners who fail to keep their commitment of a life time of quality care to their dogs.

Obviously, the dogs are the innocent ones in the whole fiasco, as they have no voice & no choice in what happens to them.

When u end up with folk selling pups at flea markets and Walmart I think the authorities really need to step in. You are selling therefore where is your vendor permit and I betcha that income is not being claimed on your tax return.
Which leads to my next question, are these puppy mills and bybs filing taxes for the income. I mean the huge organisation that's buying the dogs and shipping to pet stores must have a record of all the transactions for balancing their books. Can't the government start there and shut them down or jail them for tax evasion.

When u end up with folk selling pups at flea markets and Walmart I think the authorities really need to step in. You are selling therefore where is your vendor permit and I betcha that income is not being claimed on your tax return.
Which leads to my next question, are these puppy mills and bybs filing taxes for the income. I mean the huge organisation that's buying the dogs and shipping to pet stores must have a record of all the transactions for balancing their books. Can't the government start there and shut them down or jail them for tax evasion.

Originally Posted by KazzyK810
It seems to be the attitude of some zealots that I as a potential dog owner/future puppy buyer, am somehow obligated to take some irresponsible idiot's castoff rather than choosing to get the puppy I want from the breeder I want. I have no such obligation!

Those that choose to rescue & rehome, make that choice for themselves. But reckless owners that fail in their life-time commitment to their animals shouldn't set the rules for those of us that want to select our puppies from certain "breeding stock" because said breeding stock as features, characters & temperament that we desire.

Where do you get off with the attitude that responsible breeders shouldn't breed because irresponsible people dispose of their animals and don't care & provide for them for their entire life? To me...that's whacked!!!

from Lynzy
Kazzy, I don't think you mean much of this the way it *sounds*. Please reconsider what you have posted here. Much of what you have posted is a slap in the face to the people on YT who work tirelessly everyday to help these pups, they don't view them this way, nor do many of us view them this way. Those pups are victims of those awful breeders and owners, they should be recognized as such and not blamed for being so. I don't feel that the pups deserve the sword your wielding and I would hope that you, in some shape, way or form support these animals and the folks who rescue selflessly each day...I'm sorry but this just doesn't sit well with me, and I needed to be heard.

From me Donna
I think she meant it exactly that way and she is spot on, and I would like to "hear" you so please point out exactly what part of her statement made you feel like she slapped the face of those on yorkie talk that work in rescue. Is it because she called the dogs that people give back "cast offs", well is that not what they are, I read on rescue sites all the times words like abandoned, given up, surrendered doesn't that mean about the same thing. Why do you think you have the right to ask her reconsider her opinion, especially since you are one of the most opinionated people on YT. Perhaps those of us that don't like the way you word your posts should start posting after you, "I don't think you mean much of this the way it *sounds*. Please reconsider what you have posted here" How would you like that??? Of course if you didn't think she meant something a certain way you could have always asked her instead of assuming, because you know what they say about assuming..........

now this is a good post, and it contains just about the same message as the one Kazzy posted so I am still perplexed by you asking her to reconsider her post. BTW it is also exactly the way I feel. I applaud those that rescue, I am appalled by those that abuse, neglect, abandon and breed recklessly. But as a pet owner I should be able to decide if I buy a puppy or adopt a rescue. It is sad that the poster mad at mills or whatever her name is is fighting for a good cause but her extreme views and hardline approach will alienate her from potential supporters like myself:(

This is such a sad sad situation. Many have been hurt, but the only victims in are the ones who cannot speak for themselves.

DBlain, YT is an open forum for opinions, I am not always right, and I am not always wrong. I am opinionated, yes I am; as are you. I don't really feel the need, nor do I want to dialogue with you...I think you have me mixed up with someone else, so sorry if your offended...

Kazzy, I had hoped you of all people understood my posts...ovbiously I rethought my initial statement and clarified myself in the second post. It was the tone that I heard and took exception to the word Zealots in the context it was said...I for one am not a Zealot but I am grateful we have some of those extremists out there, they are the ones who drive their points home and have the tenaciousness that few of us have. They are the people who open the cages and set lab animals free, they are the people who are able to get the politicians to hear and act, everyday they tirelessly seek to help our animals, those we can see and those we pretend we don't see....I felt your post on first glance lumped all the rescuers and "zealots" together...since that is mainly what we see on YT.

I'm sorry if I offended you.
Though I don't necessarily agree with the Zealots of the world on all of their practices or ways or thought processes, I respect them because at the end of the day their only care is the health and welfare of the most unfortunate animals...therefore, they get my support....

I think this is where I should insert my Prayer...if it offends anyone I'm sorry:

Hear our humble prayer, O God, for our friends the animals,
especially for animals who are suffering;
for animals that are overworked, underfed and cruelly treated;
for all wistful creatures in captivity that beat their wings against bars;
for any that are hunted or lost or deserted or frightened or hungry;
for all that must be put death.
We entreat for them all Thy mercy and pity,
and for those who deal with them we ask a heart of compassion
and gentle hands and kindly words.
Make us, ourselves, to be true friends to animals,
and so to share the blessings of the merciful.

I think this forum is based on opinion. Many have differing opinions but I would not fault anyone here for being too opinionated. We have dedicated people on both sides of this issue. Anyone who has watched a dog or puppy from a puppy mill suffer has every right to express strong feelings about the issue and everyone who is a dedicated breeder has every right to support what they are doing. I don't see why there needs to be name calling and bad feelings on either side here. I hope everyone is involved in what they are doing for the sake of innocent animals.
I haven't seen anyone forcing or pressuring anyone to take someone else's cast offs and I don't think that is anyone's opinion here. Adopting from a shelter or rescue is an honorable thing to do but I'm sure anyone who works in rescue would be the first to tell you it is not for everyone. They want the dogs that do find homes to go to a good forever home otherwise they are wasting their time.
It just amazes me that someone would be so insulted by someone who works to rescue animals, both purebred and mixed. Step back and take a look here. You are all for the same thing in principle.
As for the people who buy from pet stores and puppy mills..... they learn a high priced lesson and the ones who have lost adorable little babies suffer for it for many years. If rescue and purebred breeders could get together and work united against puppy mills they would be an effective force. We are not going to stop this abuse by saying mean things about each other or the puppy mills.