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Mardelin 01-07-2011 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3384842)
I think plenty will agree with you that the YTCA is not GOD, however, they are the Mother Club for the Yorkshire Terrier, and they do set the standard for the AKC, and they are considered to be the leading experts. By experts, I mean those who have studied the breed the longest. Is there another breed club you prefer?

Nancy this is posted on the very first page of the YTCA breeder referral page.


PLEASE READ THIS INFORMATION CAREFULLY AND COMPLETELY.
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The Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, Inc. [hereinafter referred to as
"YTCA"] maintains a breeders referral list of YTCA members who have
signed the YTCA's Codes of Ethics and Conduct and have requested to be
listed on this site. This breeders referral list is published for the sole purpose
of reference only.
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These members are in good standing with the YTCA, but under no circumstances does the YTCA guarantee the services or dogs of any said member(s) nor does it assume any responsibility or liability regarding any agreements you may enter in with any of the breeders listed.
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The YTCA does not recommend or endorse any one breeder, nor does it
recommend, guarantee, or rate breeders or their stock. Under no circumstances does the YTCA promote the sale of puppies through businesses or professionals such as pet shops, wholesalers, commercial dealers, or paid agents.
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Buyers should check all matters relating to AKC registration, health, and
quality before making any decision to purchase a dog.
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The YTCA does not and cannot guarantee or accept any responsibility or
liability of any kind for the quality, health, or temperament of any dog; nor
for the warranty, guarantee, integrity, honesty, reliability, expressed or
implied, by any YTCA member who requested to be included on this list.
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All such warranties, guarantees, promises, or any other aspect of animals a buyer may purchase from a YTCA member on this listing are between buyer(s) and seller(s) as individuals.
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jencar98 01-07-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3384870)
How a member reacts/responds to this situation is very dependent on the outcome of the investigation.

What would likely be the outcome if the investigation finds the allegations true? Would the breeder be reprimanded or club membership revoked? What has happened in the past when similar allegations have been found to be true regarding other YTCA breeders?

Mardelin 01-07-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3384887)
What would likely be the outcome if the investigation finds the allegations true? Would the breeder be reprimanded or club membership revoked? What has happened in the past when similar allegations have been found to be true regarding other YTCA breeders?

Each situation is taken on a case by case basis. It's very dependent on the infraction against the Consititution & By-Laws of the club. The Constitution and By-Laws are available to the public via the YTCA website.

Have there been members been suspended/expelled, yes. Keep in mind that if a Member has broken rules against the AKC and suspended from AKC, they are automatically suspended from YTCA

jencar98 01-07-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3384903)
Each situation is taken on a case by case basis. It's very dependent on the infraction against the Consititution & By-Laws of the club. The Constitution and By-Laws are available to the public via the YTCA website.

Have there been members been suspended/expelled, yes. Keep in mind that if a Member has broken rules against the AKC and suspended from AKC, they are automatically suspended from YTCA

I remember back a couple of years ago Anne Wylie of Hylan Acres was suspended from the AKC. At least, I believe that is what she told me, I know there was a time period when she could not register pups, is that the same as suspension? Also, know she told me she expected to be able to register pups after a certain time period, does AKC have limited suspension like that?

Mardelin 01-07-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3384928)
I remember back a couple of years ago Anne Wylie of Hylan Acres was suspended from the AKC. At least, I believe that is what she told me, I know there was a time period when she could not register pups, is that the same as suspension? Also, know she told me she expected to be able to register pups after a certain time period, does AKC have limited suspension like that?

I recall Anne's suspension, it had to do with her records and the situation occurred during the time of her husband's life threatening illness. She was suspended from AKC, for a period of time along with a monetary penalty. She was automatically suspended from YTCA. This happened shortely after she was accepted as a member into the YTCA member, which I'm sure the whole situation was a great embarrassment to her. However, her records had to be corrected before reenstatement into AKC and YTCA.

jencar98 01-07-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3384938)
I recall Anne's suspension, it had to do with her records and the situation occurred during the time of her husband's life threatening illness. She was suspended from AKC, for a period of time along with a monetary penalty. She was automatically suspended from YTCA. This happened shortely after she was accepted as a member into the YTCA member, which I'm sure the whole situation was a great embarrassment to her. However, her records had to be corrected before reenstatement into AKC and YTCA.

Thank you for this update. I do remember it had to do with Maltese breeding and not yorkies. I believe it was a friend of hers she trusted to keep accurate records and some pups didn't DNA true to the parents listed. I noticed she was still listed as a YTCA breeder, so wondered about the outcome of the earlier problem.

lisaly 01-07-2011 07:11 PM

Thank you for sharing this, Elaine. I know it's not an easy thing to do, but I believe it will help many others who are looking for a Yorkie. Besides making us aware of these breeders, you perfectly illustrated that, when our hearts are involved, even someone very educated can ignore the warning signs. I think this should be added to one of the stickies about being careful about who you are buying a pup from and the things you should know before purchasing a pup. Your heart was so set on getting a pup as most of us are, and the experience you have shared is a very important one. Even with the heartache you are experiencing, I am glad that you didn't return your little girl. With your devotion, love, and good medical care, she will get better. With all of our babies because of their size, there is such a need for vigilance when it comes to their health. With a tiny, there are so many further precautions. I speak from personal experience. My Gracie was very little, but she was placed me when she was six months old. She was the most loving, special, and unique little girl, but she required great care and knowledge. You love Mia and will make sure that she gets what she needs. Thank you again for educating others and for giving Mia the love and care that she deserves. I truly hope that she gets better quickly and that after that she thrives with your attention and love.

FlDebra 01-07-2011 07:44 PM

Have to give you credit Elaine, for coming on to warn others of these breeders and relate your experience, even knowing the comments that would come about you seeking a "tiny" after being warned of these breeders. You know how I feel about people purposefully breeding tinies at the risk of the mother and babies' health, so I won't go into it more. I do want to let you and others know there is NOTHING wrong with a 3 pound pup playing with a pup that might be in the 5-7 pound range. A 2-4 pound difference will not do a thing to endanger the smaller of the two. You may be surprised to see the little one being the aggressor. I have watched my litters play with my other dogs (even the 11 pound Jack Russell!) with no problems. It is more the temperment of the two dogs than the exact size that is important. My 11 pound Jack Russell is the sweetest dog ever -- she thinks she is a yorkie and wants so badly to mother the pups! She is always gentle and caring -- has never made a one of them yelp! Ben, on the other hand, is normally only a 4 pounder (plumped up to 5 lbs right now after neutering). He is NOT so sweet to the pups and does not want them near him. My little Annie did get hurt accidently when BOTH of the other dogs ran after something in the yard and tipped her over in the process, but she was only 1.5 lb at the time -- a littermate could have hurt her the same way. She didn't have anything broken or permanently amiss but I had her xrayed to be sure. Now, I wind up rescuing Ben, NOT Annie when they get to playing too rough. He may be heavier than her but she definitely has the upper hand in the assertiveness category. She hasn't made it to 3 pounds yet but I have no fear of her playing with the 5 and 11 pounders here.

So, if you want a tiny -- say you want a tiny -- but it is NOT necessary to stay THAT close to size when purchasing another. I wouldn't buy a 5 & 50 pound dog but others have shown many times that even that can work out fine with the right supervision and temperment. Just because your first yorkie turns out to be only 3 pounds, does NOT mean you have to have another that small. First find the right breeder and then look for the right TEMPERMENT! You will wind up much better in the long run.

BTW Florida Lemon Law gives the buyer the CHOICE too -- return pup for refund or replacement, or RETAIN pup & get vet bills reimbursed -- but here it is just up to price of dog. I think ALL good breeders should give the choice. Once you bond, you sure don't want to return the pup. Even finding your pup with a cold on the way home, I would probably not have thought that would have been a big deal. I am sure 10 days later, her still fighting the same URI it looks different but a new puppy owner usually tries to justify anything to keep that adorable ball of sweetness. I know, my very first one was a "lemon" but she made some mighty fine lemonade! We kept her and loved her!! The most important thing I learned -- pick the right breeder first -- then you have SO much less to go wrong. Good breeders don't sell sick puppies knowingly and if it does by chance happen they stand behind their pups. The most important part of the buying process is always picking the buyer, not the part where you pick the puppy.

2Morkies 01-07-2011 09:54 PM

:( Poor Mia, I'm so sorry.
I hope you get your Vet bills paid for and these women get put out of business.

Micah my love 01-08-2011 05:57 AM

I was hoping to find a better report on Mia today

AprilLove 01-08-2011 07:10 AM

Elaine,
Thanks for posting this info for everyone to see and to learn from. It had to be hard for you.
This video BREAKS my heart :( Your little Mia will be in our thoughts and prayers!!!!

JeanieK 01-08-2011 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3384093)
All I have to say on this matter is, You been on YT long enough to know better.
You had already bought one bad pup from them. Yet you go back. The emails to me say brokers!!!!!!!
20 minutes into the ride she was sick, why didn't you turn around and take her back?
It looks to me like you were so desperate to find that itty bitty yorkie you have posted all over YT looking for, that you ignored all of the warning signs.
Alot of members here even gave you reputable breeders names yet you choose to buy from these women.
You sure didn't do much research from what I can see.
The buyer has some responsibility too, which I find You guilty of ignoring the warning signs.
I feel so bad for that poor baby. I do hope she gets well soon.

:thumbup::thumbup:

JeanieK 01-08-2011 08:00 AM

I just cannot imagine any breader letting any sick puppy go, let alone a tiny one. They puppy should not have been shipped from one breeder to the other in it's condition.

This is really sad. Those people have to be totally heartless to be shipping a sick puppy around. Don't they realize that the stress of being moved around it what is keeping it from getting better?

Being rehomed is hard enough on a healthy puppy, but for a puppy that is already sick, it could be fatal.

I hope she gets well soon.

Breezeaway 01-08-2011 10:51 PM

I personally would like to see the vet bills of exactly what the vet did. Xrays? Meds?
Since you posted the letter of unfit, where is the proof with the dates?
There is more to this story than is what is being told.

JeanieK 01-09-2011 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3386514)
I personally would like to see the vet bills of exactly what the vet did. Xrays? Meds?
Since you posted the letter of unfit, where is the proof with the dates?
There is more to this story than is what is being told.

:confused:

Did you watch the video? That alone tells me that the poor thing was not fit to be sold. What caring person would rehome a puppy that is that sick.

If there is more to the story, it is more likely whether or not the OP really knew how sick she was. Or did she overlook the illness because she was eager to get her home. But I believe that a mild illness could escalate through the stress of being rehomed. Especially one that tiny.

The breeder should have known that even a well puppy can become ill from the stress of being rehomed. I'm not sure whether the OP knew that or not. I can see where the OP might have underestimated the illness, having only been around her for an hour or so. But the breeder should have known.


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