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char7 10-09-2007 11:21 AM
C/Sections??
 
I know there's several things that factor in, but as a breeder, what is the max amount of c/sections that you would let your girl have before spaying? This is based on her being able to free whelp along with having to have a c/section because of a puppy being sideways, etc.

I've heard different opinions from breeders and vets and would also like the opinions of the breeders on this thread.

Thanks for your expertise.

Breny 10-09-2007 11:27 AM
Well for me, personaly...I started out breeding Chi's. She had a c section and has not been bred since. I'm just too scared to risk her having another since she had complications while under.

I've since had a Yorkie have one, and I'm giving her a year + rest and then trying it one more time. If she needs another section (which would make 2 sections) then she will be spayed.

Her 1st litter was a free whelp, her 2nd litter was 2 pups, one pup natural and the 2nd pup was a c section. She was just to tired to get her out on her own.

So depending on if it was a healthy c section or not, I'd try one time after the 1st c section. But thats just me.

Mardelin 10-09-2007 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by char7 (Post 1423045)
I know there's several things that factor in, but as a breeder, what is the max amount of c/sections that you would let your girl have before spaying? This is based on her being able to free whelp along with having to have a c/section because of a puppy being sideways, etc.

I've heard different opinions from breeders and vets and would also like the opinions of the breeders on this thread.

Thanks for your expertise.
Just because a female has had a C-section because of the reason you gave before, doesn't mean that it will happen again. If it were to happen again, for the health of the female, risking a 3rd time would not be an option.

Mary

char7 10-09-2007 12:46 PM
Thanks Breny and Mardelin. That's what the consensus was with the breeders. The vets had other opinions.

Mardelin 10-09-2007 12:55 PM
I guess we as breeders have to do what's is the best for our girls....Now a vet may have an alterer motive....."C-Section/money". Don't get me wrong...I love my vet and he is not about money, but the love of taking care of animals. However, let's face it Vetinarians run a business.

char7 10-09-2007 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1423200)
I guess we as breeders have to do what's is the best for our girls....Now a vet may have an alterer motive....."C-Section/money". Don't get me wrong...I love my vet and he is not about money, but the love of taking care of animals. However, let's face it Vetinarians run a business.
Exactly, we do have to do what's best for our girls. And I totally understand the concept of the vet being in business. My vet is not in it for the money either. A c/section costs around $300. and an additional $25. for after hours. So I know that he's not in it for the money. He just thinks that they can have at least 3 c/sections, of course, depending on the health of the dog. However, I am going to go with the breeders on this one as we live with our girls and know what's best for them.

I truly appreciate your expertise. You always have very informative posts!

Edited to say that I miss quoted the price of the c/section. It's approx. $250. including oxy shot and antibiotics.

Mardelin 10-09-2007 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by char7 (Post 1423280)
Exactly, we do have to do what's best for our girls. And I totally understand the concept of the vet being in business. My vet is not in it for the money either. A c/section costs around $300. and an additional $25. for after hours. So I know that he's not in it for the money. He just thinks that they can have at least 3 c/sections, of course, depending on the health of the dog. However, I am going to go with the breeders on this one as we live with our girls and know what's best for them.

I truly appreciate your expertise. You always have very informative posts!
Heck! Where in Texas do you live, when I move back, I'm moving there.

YorkieRose 10-09-2007 01:45 PM
sections
 
I give the bitch two chances at free whelping.

char7 10-09-2007 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1423285)
Heck! Where in Texas do you live, when I move back, I'm moving there.
LOL! Can't you tell by the price that it's a small country town?!! Come on down to South East/ Central Texas I cringe when I see some of the vet prices on the forum.

Brooklynn 10-09-2007 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by char7 (Post 1423319)
LOL! Can't you tell by the price that it's a small country town?!! Come on down to South East/ Central Texas I cringe when I see some of the vet prices on the forum.
Wish Cammie's c-section was under $500 LOL and I'm in Texas LOL

char7 10-09-2007 02:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1423330)
Wish Cammie's c-section was under $500 LOL and I'm in Texas LOL
LOL! Apparently not in the right part of Texas! LOL! I am very fortunate with my vet costs.

Breny 10-09-2007 02:13 PM
My 1st section was over 700 and my latest was over 1000 !!!!! :eek:

Mardelin 10-09-2007 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1423330)
Wish Cammie's c-section was under $500 LOL and I'm in Texas LOL
Well kid you live in the Burbs of Fort Worth.....so, does that tell you something.

However, my vet in Dallas charged $500.00 during and after hours

char7 10-09-2007 02:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breny (Post 1423356)
My 1st section was over 700 and my latest was over 1000 !!!!! :eek:
See, that's why I said that I cringe when I see some of these prices and I have a fabulous vet. I just need to educate him on c/sections ;)

char7 10-09-2007 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1423362)
Well kid you live in the Burbs of Fort Worth.....so, does that tell you something.

However, my vet in Dallas charged $500.00 during and after hours
I don't live in the Burbs of Ft. Worth. I live real close to the coast. Not too far from TXShopper73, Kim, on here.

troubletb 10-09-2007 02:21 PM
Not that my 2 cents is worth anything, but I'm glad to hear you all agree with giving the bitch a second try. The owner of a bitch that my Petey bred with was told by her vet to spay her because she had a c-section. I told her not to. I told her to wait a year and give it another try. I'm not sure I even agreed with the 1st c-section, but I'm not a vet. It was her 1st litter and after 1 hour of labor (not even hard labor) the vet had her come in and he performed a section. She did have a 5 oz baby and then 3 more 4oz babies, but she was a good size (weight 6+lbs) and decent bone structure. I would have given it a bit longer.
This vet was all about the money, as he charged her a fortune and then had her bring them back in every 2 weeks for check ups??:(

Brooklynn 10-09-2007 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1423362)
Well kid you live in the Burbs of Fort Worth.....so, does that tell you something.

However, my vet in Dallas charged $500.00 during and after hours
Cammie's section was almost 900 and that was normal hours after hours would be 2000 YIKES! I will only let my bitch have 2 sections and that's it period!

char7 10-09-2007 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1423362)
Well kid you live in the Burbs of Fort Worth.....so, does that tell you something.

However, my vet in Dallas charged $500.00 during and after hours
I'm always ahead of myself!

Mardelin 10-09-2007 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by char7 (Post 1423369)
I don't live in the Burbs of Ft. Worth. I live real close to the coast. Not too far from TXShopper73, Kim, on here.
I was talking to Donna/Brooklynn

Mardelin 10-09-2007 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1423384)
Cammie's section was almost 900 and that was normal hours after hours would be 2000 YIKES! I will only let my bitch have 2 sections and that's it period!
Yikes is right. Young lady across the street, took her Chi in early Sunday evening for a section....$700.00 including spay. I was pleasantly shocked....especially in California

Little Bit 10-09-2007 02:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by char7 (Post 1423280)
Exactly, we do have to do what's best for our girls. And I totally understand the concept of the vet being in business. My vet is not in it for the money either. A c/section costs around $300. and an additional $25. for after hours. So I know that he's not in it for the money. He just thinks that they can have at least 3 c/sections, of course, depending on the health of the dog. However, I am going to go with the breeders on this one as we live with our girls and know what's best for them.

I truly appreciate your expertise. You always have very informative posts!

Edited to say that I miss quoted the price of the c/section. It's approx. $250. including oxy shot and antibiotics.

Where in Texas are you? That is an excellent price for a C section! I paid $700 something. It was after hours, but not at an ER vet, just the regular vet.

char7 10-09-2007 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1423400)
I was talking to Donna/Brooklynn
That's why I posted to you that I'm always ahead of myself. I think my attention span went out the window!

Sugar's Mom 10-09-2007 02:48 PM
i had to have c-sections on my last two litters. I also had the girls spayed because , one was to small to have been bred in the first place and I should never have listened to my vet when he said, go ahead. kandy was spayed the other day because i was only going to breed her one more time then retire her so one more litter just wasn't worth it to me to have her go thru it again. she always had been a free whelper with large litters but this time one was wedged sideways as tight as can be and the vet and myself both did everything before we chose to have a section to save the other four. My vet charged me $260. for both the section and the spay.

char7 10-09-2007 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1423438)
i had to have c-sections on my last two litters. I also had the girls spayed because , one was to small to have been bred in the first place and I should never have listened to my vet when he said, go ahead. kandy was spayed the other day because i was only going to breed her one more time then retire her so one more litter just wasn't worth it to me to have her go thru it again. she always had been a free whelper with large litters but this time one was wedged sideways as tight as can be and the vet and myself both did everything before we chose to have a section to save the other four. My vet charged me $260. for both the section and the spay.
Now that's a deal!!

Little Bit 10-09-2007 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1423438)
i had to have c-sections on my last two litters. I also had the girls spayed because , one was to small to have been bred in the first place and I should never have listened to my vet when he said, go ahead. kandy was spayed the other day because i was only going to breed her one more time then retire her so one more litter just wasn't worth it to me to have her go thru it again. she always had been a free whelper with large litters but this time one was wedged sideways as tight as can be and the vet and myself both did everything before we chose to have a section to save the other four. My vet charged me $260. for both the section and the spay.

Wow! That's a great price!

fannie 10-09-2007 03:33 PM
See? I told ya! :p :eyetearss

BamaFan121s 10-09-2007 03:36 PM
If it was the bitch's first litter, depending on the reasons for needing the section, I would breed again. If it was NOT her first litter and she'd previously been a free whelper OR if it was her second section, that would be the end of her whelping days.

Just my opinion.:)

char7 10-09-2007 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fannie (Post 1423551)
See? I told ya! :p :eyetearss

:bravo: :tongue3: Now where's the "rub it in" button? ;)

char7 10-10-2007 02:22 PM
Thanks everyone for your input and expertise! It's very interesting to see how prices are so different in different areas.

YorkieAunt 10-25-2007 12:21 PM
c-section quesiton
 
My friend's Yorkie just had 2 pups wednesday morning. She had a very hard labour and we ending up taking her in for a c-section after 3 hours. The vet gave her a shot of Oxytocin and the first but was born naturally with help from the vet but after 2 more shots and no more labour, the c-section was done. The pups are very healthy but were just to big for Mom. While she was in labour though, she lost the feeling in her right leg. We thought is was originally because she was exhausted but it has been almost 48 hours and she still drags that foot behind her and has problems walking. We think she must have pinched a nerve during labour. I was wondering if anyone else has had this happen and if it healed on it's own. I hate having an animal put under for any reason and my friend is terrified of it. (She lost a cat that way)
Mom will have a check up with the Vet on Sat but we are really hoping to avoid anymore surgery.

Thanks for any help!:animal-pa


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