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BabyFidgette 10-05-2007 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fancy (Post 1415204)
I'm the one that said TEACUP! Any thing that is under 4 lbs isn't considered a Toy. AKC doesnt reconize TEACUPS because they aren't shown in the ring. They are too fragile for show life.

I'm a breeder. I wouldn't impose pressure on a person to make a depost on the smallest baby of even 1 3/4 oz. There could be health issues as are on another string here, where the tiniest of the babies is at the Vets office inorder to survive. This is what the VET told the owner of her tiny baby.
[COLOR="Magenta"][B][COLOR="magenta"][COLOR="magenta"][COLOR="magenta"]She said that we can continue with the medication and when he gets older he should be neutered. He can either continue with the medication and live a normal healthy life span or he can have the surgery to have his liver shunt corrected. I don't know what I am going to do in the long run. I can't keep the little guy no matter how much I want too. Is it okay to sell a little sick guy?
This is what this thread is about! I'm trying to help her with her confusion of being pressed for a decison of making a deposit on the TINY PUPPY.

There could be many health issues with a tiny baby such as the TINY baby of this litter. You never sell a sick puppy! I wouldn't have offered up 3 day old puppies for a choice of deposit. I am not a person of Greed. I respect people wanting a Healty baby. After all there are many people out there that get sick puppies at the airport, and they die within weeks after they get to their owners. They won't get a sick puppy from me.

It's not a Toy nor a Teacup b/c pups under 4lbs aren't standard. Since I'm more well informed now from finding YT than I was a long time ago, I'd rather pay top dollar for a standard pup than one that's not considered standard.

Txgurl06 10-05-2007 04:29 PM

okay ladies!

lets just help the person find a male! he have a very good budget for a male pup and lets just see if this pup is right for him and if not then we will help him find a different male.

Susan123 10-05-2007 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fancy (Post 1415204)
I'm the one that said TEACUP! Any thing that is under 4 lbs isn't considered a Toy. AKC doesnt reconize TEACUPS because they aren't shown in the ring. They are too fragile for show life.

I'm a breeder. I wouldn't impose pressure on a person to make a depost on the smallest baby of even 1 3/4 oz. There could be health issues as are on another string here, where the tiniest of the babies is at the Vets office inorder to survive. This is what the VET told the owner of her tiny baby.
[COLOR="Magenta"][B][COLOR="magenta"][COLOR="magenta"][COLOR="magenta"]She said that we can continue with the medication and when he gets older he should be neutered. He can either continue with the medication and live a normal healthy life span or he can have the surgery to have his liver shunt corrected. I don't know what I am going to do in the long run. I can't keep the little guy no matter how much I want too. Is it okay to sell a little sick guy?
This is what this thread is about! I'm trying to help her with her confusion of being pressed for a decison of making a deposit on the TINY PUPPY.

There could be many health issues with a tiny baby such as the TINY baby of this litter. You never sell a sick puppy! I wouldn't have offered up 3 day old puppies for a choice of deposit. I am not a person of Greed. I respect people wanting a Healty baby. After all there are many people out there that get sick puppies at the airport, and they die within weeks after they get to their owners. They won't get a sick puppy from me.


yes you are the one that said teacup and at your website in the morkie section advertising them as rare coloring, (NOT). You were called on it because everyone knows better than that not including the shameless link you threw in. We know what to look out for. I'm sorry, but we're pretty educated around here. Here is a link by the administration of this site you should look at.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64153

There are alot of newbies that may not know the selling ploys to make money, those buzz words many including you are using.

BTW If you're trying to help and not be a person of greed, don't post your website.

Sorry Dani23d I'll hush, back on topic. Best wishes to you.

BabyFidgette 10-05-2007 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1415246)
okay ladies!

lets just help the person find a male! he have a very good budget for a male pup and lets just see if this pup is right for him and if not then we will help him find a different male.

I don't argue.

Txgurl06 10-05-2007 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyFidgette (Post 1415286)
I don't argue.

OMG i didnt say you argued lol!

BabyFidgette 10-05-2007 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1415288)
OMG i didnt say you argued lol!

Yes you did. Stop arguing! :lol tears

Txgurl06 10-05-2007 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1415246)
okay ladies!

lets just help the person find a male! he have a very good budget for a male pup and lets just see if this pup is right for him and if not then we will help him find a different male.

read again!

BabyFidgette 10-05-2007 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1415294)
read again!

Okay, whatever. You said "okay ladies" as to yell at us to stop arguing and get back on point. That's why I said I don't argue. I was just stating facts. That woman came in to say what she had to say to support her website. That's the reason she's here. And just like someone else said, we saw through that. Okay, I'm done.

Txgurl06 10-05-2007 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyFidgette (Post 1415308)
Okay, whatever. You said "okay ladies" as to yell at us to stop arguing and get back on point. That's why I said I don't argue. I was just stating facts. That woman came in to say what she had to say to support her website. That's the reason she's here. And just like someone else said, we saw through that. Okay, I'm done.

hahahaha okay!!!! i said that to get your attention!!!


looks like this thread is very tense and i think we all need to just help this person

BabyFidgette 10-05-2007 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1415314)
hahahaha okay!!!! i said that to get your attention!!!


looks like this thread is very tense and i think we all need to just help this person

Not as bad as I've seen some! LOL

MyFairLacy 10-05-2007 05:11 PM

I think it's fine to put a deposit on the puppy now as long as there is a written receipt or contract stating that you'll get the deposit back if the puppy dies or develops some type of health problem before leaving the breeder. Most breeder will refund the deposit or replace the puppy if something happens to the original one while in their care. Being that much smaller than the rest of the litter though - be prepared that something might happen to him. I know someone who had a litter a year ago - 2 girls and one boy. One of the little girls was so much smaller than the other two and stayed a lot smaller. She never opened her eyes and needed special care and had to be bottle fed in between feedings from the mother. At three weeks she passed away. She was just too small and something was wrong with her. So just be prepared that something can happen and make sure the breeder has a policy to refund your deposit if it does. I hope everything goes well

babi1542 10-05-2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1415343)
I think it's fine to put a deposit on the puppy now as long as there is a written receipt or contract stating that you'll get the deposit back if the puppy dies or develops some type of health problem before leaving the breeder. Most breeder will refund the deposit or replace the puppy if something happens to the original one while in their care. Being that much smaller than the rest of the litter though - be prepared that something might happen to him. I know someone who had a litter a year ago - 2 girls and one boy. One of the little girls was so much smaller than the other two and stayed a lot smaller. She never opened her eyes and needed special care and had to be bottle fed in between feedings from the mother. At three weeks she passed away. She was just too small and something was wrong with her. So just be prepared that something can happen and make sure the breeder has a policy to refund your deposit if it does. I hope everything goes well


very well said!!!!

dani23d 10-05-2007 05:56 PM

hey guys. my main concern is to find a healthy male yorkie. i guess it'll come down to the condition he's living in and if he is socialized. i'll know when i meet the breeder of my choice whether they will be faithful and dependable. i know the definitions of backyard/puppy mill, etc. and i know there is 'no such thing' as a teacup yorkie. size is really not a factor for me. yorkies are small in general. it's not like i'm looking for a sheep dog LOL

it's nice to see the committment of everyone and to read your opinions. i am completely unbiased and i thank each and every one of you for your support. no enemy-making, please! i love you all like a family.

so back to the subject at hand; ***UPDATE*** the current breeder i am speaking with says she already has two deposits on the other males. therefore, im "stuck" with the xsmall one. all i can say is, im going to keep my faith in the little puppy, keep track of his health, and pray that he is as healthy as the rest of the litter. i don't just want to oust him because he's the runt. all of them should be loved equally. i guess i will have to wait until november to visit him (no one can visit the pups until they get their shots). so for now, keep helping me find other reputable breeders, because a Plan B might come handy if this little guy doesn't turn out as healthy as we all pray he will be. thanks!

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97118

CO_yorkie_momma 10-05-2007 06:47 PM

In my opinion I would not put a deposit on a puppy that was that tiny and that young. I would wait until the puppy has had it's first vet visit so you know whether it is even healthy or not. Also, you dont even know what this puppy is going to look like. It you are paying that kind of money, I would wait until you get a better idea of what the puppy is going to look like, it's health and its temprement to make sure it is the right puppy for you. Dont let the breeder try to make you rush into any decisions. It you dont get that puppy, there are many more to choose from and it wasnt meant to be. I dont think I would trust a breeder that took a deposit on a puppy that weighs not even 2 oz. It is too iffy. Take your time and make the decision that feels right. If there are red flags and you have to ask if you are doing the right thing and you are unsure, then it might not be the right decision after all.

Fancy 10-05-2007 08:10 PM

Deposit on Tiniest of the litter
 
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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 1415529)
In my opinion I would not put a deposit on a puppy that was that tiny and that young. I would wait until the puppy has had it's first vet visit so you know whether it is even healthy or not. Also, you dont even know what this puppy is going to look like. It you are paying that kind of money, I would wait until you get a better idea of what the puppy is going to look like, it's health and its temprement to make sure it is the right puppy for you. Dont let the breeder try to make you rush into any decisions. It you dont get that puppy, there are many more to choose from and it wasnt meant to be. I dont think I would trust a breeder that took a deposit on a puppy that weighs not even 2 oz. It is too iffy. Take your time and make the decision that feels right. If there are red flags and you have to ask if you are doing the right thing and you are unsure, then it might not be the right decision after all.

Dont let the breeder try to make you rush into any decisions. It you dont get that puppy, there are many more to choose from and it wasnt meant to be. I dont think I would trust a breeder that took a deposit on a puppy that weighs not even 2 oz.

I couldn't have said this better!!! Great Post Yorkie Momma!!! :thumbup:

MyTrixie143 10-05-2007 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1415183)
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96209

this is a really great YT breeder!

she has 2 boys available!

I second this!! Linda is great!! My Destiny is from Linda and there are several members here that have one of Linda's babies.:thumbup:

scrapindee 10-05-2007 09:44 PM

I'm just now reading this thread. Please do not feel pressured into ever making a deposit on a puppy. There are so many more puppies out there; you should not have to commit within the 1st week to the runt of the litter.

There are so many chances that the health of this puppy could be compromised. I had a large litter of Biewer puppies in July, the smallest was 2.5#.

I see so many red flags.

Susan123 10-06-2007 09:15 AM

Excuse me but, I'm not replying to a rude and hateful pm in private (this is suppose to be from a nice reputable breeder), I will take it right here. I believe you called me a rude and hateful person in your me. Fancy: If you ever in your lifetime pm me once again, You and I are going to have serious problems. You sure don't know me.

I'm pretty sure the OP may have moved on, maybe not. Please don't give me any "play nice ladies". I'm passionate about the breed and YT and will not sit idly while someone like this to come in and try to pawn their teacup yorkie and rare golden morkie "stuff" to impressional newbies whether it be the OP or lurkers.

Please carry on,

Sugar's Mom 10-06-2007 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dani23d (Post 1414979)
Do you have any babies right now? I would like a breeder like you (http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=97118).

Run as fast as you can from p[eople that breed multiple breeds and 'teacups".

dani23d 10-06-2007 09:48 AM

hey it's me - the OP. so, i am getting a lot of PMs and you are all being so very helpful!!! thank you all.

so far, i am only finding breeders who have litters who are ready to go very soon. i am only looking for breeders who have litters ready starting at the end of november at the earliest. but so far things are going good! im probably going to call two breeders today, so keep 'em coming!

thank you!

Sugar's Mom 10-06-2007 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dani23d (Post 1416324)
hey it's me - the OP. so, i am getting a lot of PMs and you are all being so very helpful!!! thank you all.

so far, i am only finding breeders who have litters who are ready to go very soon. i am only looking for breeders who have litters ready starting at the end of november at the earliest. but so far things are going good! im probably going to call two breeders today, so keep 'em coming!

thank you!

i never take deposits on my babies until five or even six weeks old. That way, I am reasonably sure i will have a healthy puppy for them. The problem as i see it for you is that not many breeders will ship a puppy to Canada simply because of thee long flight and etc. nothing personal. i know i would be scared to ship one of mine that far alone. Heck, i wouldn't even let one of mine fly to CA alone. I took her in the cabin with me as her escort.;) Good luck finding your perfect baby.

Susan123 10-06-2007 10:10 AM

That's great, there are LOTS of wonderful breeders at
YT,

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Originally Posted by dani23d (Post 1416324)
hey it's me - the OP. so, i am getting a lot of PMs and you are all being so very helpful!!! thank you all.

so far, i am only finding breeders who have litters who are ready to go very soon. i am only looking for breeders who have litters ready starting at the end of november at the earliest. but so far things are going good! im probably going to call two breeders today, so keep 'em coming!

thank you!


Ladyhawk 10-06-2007 12:11 PM

I have to agree with the other breeders. I not only don't take deposits early but I don't allow the pups to be viewed until they've had their first set of shots. I evaluate at 8 weeks of age to see if I have a possible show potential and than I advertise. There's no reason to let someone's heart get set on a dog that may not turn out to be what they want and at birth is definitely too young to be able to tell.

dani23d 10-06-2007 12:27 PM

Hey, everyone. So I just called the breeder. She clarified that the pup was 1 ounce at birth. At 12 days old, he is now 5 ounces. Anyone want to give me some feedback on this?

Is this too much of a rapid increase? I'm sure we have to take into account that he is being bottle fed in between feedings, to make sure he catches up to the rest of the puppies. The rich fat in the momma's milk must be a lot for him, but I'm not sure if this is still quite abnormal for a two-week old.

Feedback is appreciated. Thank you.:confused:

Olivier 10-06-2007 03:03 PM

This is normal for a puppy to gain weight during the first days . It would be abnormal if he was loosing some .

dani23d 10-06-2007 09:58 PM

I looked at a puppy weight chart and it said that a Yorkie at 2 weeks should weight around 5 ounces. But for this puppy to gain 4 ounces in the matter of two weeks worries me. The weight chart says that pups should gain about 1 ounce per week. I wonder if he will gain a lot again by next week. You guys might be right - he might end up being the largest of the litter...sheesh!

tiggerr36792 10-06-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dani23d (Post 1417683)
I looked at a puppy weight chart and it said that a Yorkie at 2 weeks should weight around 5 ounces. But for this puppy to gain 4 ounces in the matter of two weeks worries me. The weight chart says that pups should gain about 1 ounce per week. I wonder if he will gain a lot again by next week. You guys might be right - he might end up being the largest of the litter...sheesh!

I can tell you that my last litter the biggest became the smallest and visa versa. It is very difficult to accurately tell what a full grown weight will be at this young of an age. Growing spurts vary greatly and its best to just wait and see as they get older and even then you can't be certain of size(its always just an rough estimate).

dani23d 10-06-2007 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerr36792 (Post 1417691)
I can tell you that my last litter the biggest became the smallest and visa versa. It is very difficult to accurately tell what a full grown weight will be at this young of an age. Growing spurts vary greatly and its best to just wait and see as they get older and even then you can't be certain of size(its always just an rough estimate).


that's great advice. thanks! i'd like to see how well this goes.

in the meantime, i've met a breeder who is a 3 hour drive away from me. i think i'll be going there tomorrow afternoon to see her yorkies. wish me luck!!!

Olivier 10-07-2007 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dani23d (Post 1417683)
I looked at a puppy weight chart and it said that a Yorkie at 2 weeks should weight around 5 ounces. But for this puppy to gain 4 ounces in the matter of two weeks worries me. The weight chart says that pups should gain about 1 ounce per week. I wonder if he will gain a lot again by next week. You guys might be right - he might end up being the largest of the litter...sheesh!

I really don't believe in puppy weight chart .
Is there something you're not worry about ?

jeanief 10-07-2007 06:29 AM

I don't take deposits until my pups are about 6wks and have been vet checked and I can tell more about them. Then I can price them. It's still early at 6 wks to know for sure what they will turn out like, but you have a much better idea. You will have no idea at such a young age about looks, temperment, health , etc. I see no reason why buyer would put a deposit down on such a young pup unless they have been waiting for a certain line for their breeding program, showing etc. ( even then it's a crap shoot)


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