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HELP!!!Question on why breeders..... My 10 month old puppy yorkie was diagnosed with Patellar Luxation in both knees. She gets around good and doesnt act in pain, yet. But I can definity feel the knees come out of place when i move her leg. I had a suspicsion when I would sometimes hear her leg making a cracking sound (just as if you were cracking your knuckles). So I brought her to the vet today to get a health exam and to have him check her knees out. Right away he told me she had it :( I am very sad for MiMi for her condition, because even if it doesnt hurt now, it will eventually right? I am still doing research on it. Okay, so heres the question...the breeder does health guaruntee her pups for one year. But I am suppose to ship her back in order to get a new puppy. I am very attached to MiMi and so is my husband, I love her personality and I would rather just turn in her AKC papers over to her and spay her and deal with the possible surgery later. I really dont understand why anyone would want to take her back in replacement? I am going to call her first thing tomorrow, but I am curious of why a breeder would want her back. What would they do with her? Also, would it be a bad idea to get a replacement puppy? Thanks for any inputs! :confused: :( :mad: Marie |
so sorry for what you are going though. did the dr say what grade lp she has? I would think it is up to you if you want to keep her or send her back. |
Sorry you have to go through this:( :( If you feel you can send her back i would be certain of what the breeder will do with her. I say this because some breeders will just put them to sleep:( :( Lp is managble and if it gets to bad there is a surgery to fix it and then there will be no more problems:D :thumbup: . I wish you well it's not an easy desion:( What grade is the LP? If it is 1-2 it is very minor and she will probably live a heathly normal life with no problems if it's a 3-4 them she might need surgery. Maybe ask the breeder for a partial refund because she will need surgery (if she needs it) |
At the time of the vet visit, i didnt even know there were different grades/levels, so I didnt ask. She doesnt SEEM to be in any pain when she plays or does daily activities. I would prefer the breeder refund me half so it will compensate for the condition. Does xrays determine the severity of it, or does the vet know just by palpation/manipulation the leg? |
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luxating patellas Depending on what grade they are determines what problems you will most likely have. My first 2 yorkies both had them. I didnt know this until they were 8 or 9 years old. They never had any problems. They went swimming, surfing, hiking and played with a blue hand ball 24/7. I never even knew that condition existed and never had it checked. Samantha never had a problem her whole life and Amy only started to have problems like stiff legged walking when she was about 11 years old. Both girls lived to be 15. There were no health guarantees back then and I would never have given them back. They were the absolute loves of my life. Lynn |
also, is this a sign of bad breeding? |
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he wrote on the paperwork "medial" he did mention surgery, but he had an accent so he was hard to understand. i doubt its injury related because she never gets up on the furniture, since she isnt fully house trained she gets crated when i am not around. thanks for the replies. if she needs the surgery then she will have the surgery. |
medial patellar lux is what he wrote on the receipt. so i am thinking that maybe it means the location of the leg..anyways, ill call the vet on monday and ask. |
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My Lacy has luxating patellas and they haven't caused her any problems at all so far. Her vet said there is a possiblity of her needing surgery one day but she doubted it. She said the most important thing is to keep her at a healthy weight (because being overweight puts more strain on their joints) and I give Lacy a glucosamine & chondroitin supplement daily |
very informative, Thank you for the info! makes sense now what the vet means now. Besdies the glucosamine & chondroitin supplement , what else is good to do or give for this condition? |
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knees The breeder does not want her back...the breeder knows only 1 in a 100 people will ever take them up on that contract guarantee, so they are home free. Ethically, a breeder would allow the puppy to be kept and return your money..BUT that would be for a life threatening problem or life altering..liver shunt, LCP, etc IMO Not all knee problems are the breeders fault..so it is hard to fault the breeder 100%...this is why most breeders do not guarantee the bite or structure faults, unless stated in the contract for a show pup etc...JMO I am not making light of your Yorkies problem..but few breeders guarantee perfect knees... |
I'd atleast ask for half the money back, so that you can pay for the vet bills. All she can say is no. I don't know what the breeder would do if you brought her back. |
I wish that breeders would work to breed Yorkies with stronger knees. I think that it isn't enough to say that a lot of Yorkies have bad knees. Loki has one LP grade 2 he will probably not need surgery. Sammy has two grade 3's and will probably need surgery in a year or two. I feel so bad watching her walk. |
I have another question, did your guarantee stipulate return only on life threatening genetic diseases? |
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Here's another thought.....allowing your baby to jump off and on furniture can contribute to LP. |
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Jumping on and off furniture can contribute to LP - this is why we cannot cover everything. I have my dogs tested before breeding and then pups are checked before leaving to their new homes. Prospected owners can talked to my vet before they pick up the pup. We do everything we can. T. |
Questions for breeders.... What if you purchased a female puppy and intended to breed, made that known to the breeder at the time of purchase and then the puppy ends up being diagnosed with grade IV bilateral luxated patella and advised by vet not to breed due to genetic flaw....then what is the breeders responsibility? The 9 month old female was returned to the breeder to be evaluated by her own vet for recommendation - same conclusion. Just curious about other breeders opinions on the appropriate fair way to handle this situation from both the breeders and purchasers point of view. In answer to the original post - the breeder would have the option of placing the dog in a "pet only" home - hopefully having her spayed first (to be sure she is not breed) and fully informing any potential new owners of her medical condition and potential medical expenses/surgeries. If you purchased her as a pet and feel you can provide her with the medical attention/treatment necessary down the road - then you would first have the option yourself of keeping her, having her spayed, etc. |
I would get my vets opion also. Then if the breeder prospect definately has horrible patellas and shouldnt be bred, I would replace the puppy with another. The original puppy will stay with the original owners as I know they already love the puppy, but she must be spayed and the AKC papers returned to me before any replacement is done. If she was already bred, there are no replacements or guarantees. But, any breeder/show prospect that I sell are already vet checked way before I make any decision to sell them. Lynn |
problem If a person asked me for a breed potential, first it would not be 8 weeks old..or even 12 weeks. So I would most likely know what it was going to be.....BUT if I did let a breed potential go at 12 weeks and it did not turn out to be what I said..then I would return the money. I would also do that if you paid for a tiny and got a 7 pounder etc...stand behind your word or don't give it..plain and simple..don't make any promises if you do not plan to honor them when it all hits the fan and it will if you breed long enough. I would respect a breeder more if they gave NO guarantee, then give a 5 page guarantee and refuse to abide by it. I talked to a Maltese breeder last month..she said she gave no health guarantee what so ever..when you walked out the door any problem was yours..at least the buyer knows going in what they can expect..NOTHING! |
here is the contract. i am about to call her, right now i am just going over in my head some things and questions i want to say... *************'s Guarantee Our puppies are all registered with AKC, and de-wormed twice. Validation of this guarantee requires examination of your puppy by the vet of your choice and at the purchasers expense within 2 business days of the delivery date. This veterinary examination is mandatory to confirm that your puppy was not sick or injured at the time of delivery. The guarantee against transmissible diseases such as parvovirus for example, is valid for a period of 7 days starting on the day of delivery, since the normal incubation period for transmissible diseases is 5 to 7 days. For example: if first signs of parvovirus were to show on a puppy 12 or 15 days from delivery, the puppy could not have carried that disease from the breeder's premises and incubated it for that long before showing signs of the disease. The breeder guarantees the puppy until 1 year of age against all life threatening congenital or hereditary defects. If the puppy has a life threatening congenital or hereditary defect, it will be replaced with the first available puppy of the same value from the breeders stock, as soon as possible. The original puppy must be returned (at owners expense) before a new puppy can be delivered. No one may keep the original puppy, it must be returned. The purchaser is responsible for any shipping fees for the replacement puppy. In the event of death, an autopsy must be preformed, (at owners expense), by a licensed veterinarian to determine the exact cause of death. The report from the autopsy must be sent to my attending veterinarian for review. Guarantee not valid if sold to a third party without the permission of the breeder. The breeder reserves the right of first refusal if purchaser decides to sell said puppy. The breeder is not responsible for any veterinarian bill the purchaser may incur regarding said puppy. The purchaser is responsible for any shipping fees and or crates needed to deliver puppy safely to new home. The breeder does not guarantee size or color. Only replacements will be made, NO CASH REFUNDS. This guarantee does not cover: Hypoglycemia, coccidiosis, giardia, hernias, earmites, or fleas. |
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If this puppy was sold as a breeding pup......there is nothing speaking to that at all. |
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If this puppy was sold as a breeding pup......there is nothing speaking to that at all. |
didn't mean to double post....My computer is acting a little strange |
yes but this most likely is a hereditary thing. MiMi cant even get on the furniture, let alone be able to jump off. She is a house dog and only goes outside when we are out for walks. Also when I am not home or around her, I crate her because she is not completely house trained. So i see it a very rare possibility that she injured herself. There anyway to PROOVE that its hereditary?? I tried calling no one answered so I will try again. So far this breeder has not done anything to make me thing she is out to scam me, so I am hoping she will work with me on this.. |
ugh, i see what you are saying Mardelin. Sucks because she knows I wanted to show her... |
Unfortunately what you have described is the replacement policy some breeders use. I can't understand how it benefits anyone because clearly you (or anyone) would already be too attached to the dog to willingly give her up. Maybe the breeder would be willing to chip in some of the cost for the surgery if it is needed. Some LP cases, depending on the severity, never require surgery. Did your vet feel like it would eventually be needed? I am very sorry you are having to deal with this. Hugs to you and Mimi. |
problem The breeder ONLY guarantees a replacement puppy IF the problem is life threathening..luxating patellas are not going to kill or shorten the life of your Yorkie. I do not see where you have a claim..you agreed to this contract..and the breeder has made NO mention of what this pup was sold as..a pet, show or breeding... When you deal with a reputable breeder who sells show/breeding potentials...they will state all these things in the contract..exactly what happens if the puppy develops a problem that makes it unfit for the ring or breeding...is there another part to your contract...verbal is not going to hold much weight in court. |
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