People asking me to "stud" Marcel - do I want to get into that????
 

Hi Breeders,

I get a lot of requests/suggestions to breed Marcel. While I may be willing to get into that following a ton of education, I'm just not sure I want to open that door - for many reasons. Can you provide me w/ some pros/cons?

He is currently 8 mths. old, 2.5 pounds. From a champion-infested line, lol. And no, I haven't had him checked for all the usual pre-stud health stuff - I wouldn't do that until I was actually seriously considering going down that road.

Here is a pic of him at 7 mths (a bit unkempt!).

Marcel is so adorable!!!...I can see why someone would what him for stud purposes..... personally I would not open that door...I would just keep Marcel the little, innocent, safe pumpkin he is..... ;)

Marcel is splendid .
If you decide to use him at stud , be very careful of the peoples asking for him . Some will be there only for the $$$$$$ they can have for the pups . In one of my litter , I had 2 males of his size , you should have seen peoples trying to buy them for reproduction . I had them neutered .

I would have him neutered once he is a little older and a little bigger. An intect dog is hard enough to not have them marking all over the house, they start breeding and it becomes almost impossible. He will move from being your pet to looking for girls.
He is an adorable pet but in considering whether to go into breeding with either a male or female, the other question you have to ask yourself is will this dog you have have the potential to improve the breed? Breeding to 'just have puppies' is not the right reason.
And yes, as someone else suggested, you are not going to have reputable breeders approaching you. I don't think you would be too willing to add to that scenario.

this is so true. i would also like to add that if he is a pet, he will not (in so many words) be a pet any longer. he will be a working dog. the marking is never ending. mine started running away and would not listen to me anymore. it was awful. i had to rehome him. if you want a stud dog, then that is what you will have after you stud him out.
also people will come to you that have the most unstandard yorkies for you to stud to because no one else will do it.
lastly, the contract......what happens if there are no puppies? or the bitch dies during the whelping?, or the babies are deformed? the owner of the bitch will blame you for everything. you have to make sure you have everything in writing. believe me, if anything goes wrong, the stud owner is always being blamed.

If I'm not mistaken, you bought him from Kathy Murphy at Gold Dust kennel. Did she give you full or limited registration on him? Anyway, she's the person you should be talking to about using him as a stud dog.
Just my $o.o2
Trish

Also, he's so tiny, you would most likely need to use artificial insemination.
But, he is adorable. On a cute meter of 1-10, he would be at least 14. LOL
Trish

This is so true. My girlfriend was waiting to get both her guy and gal done up at the vet. Unfortunately, due to finance issues and stupidity on their part they mated. She brought him over two nights ago and he ran around marking every damn thing in the way..thankfully we were out in my yard. Then he set his sights on Lulu (who happens to be his sister and littermate). There was constant humping going on. Jeeze I can see how bad it will get. I was told by the breeder that I had gotten my male from a long time ago that once you stud them out their mentality becomes that of a breeding dog and not just a loveable pet. Good luck with your decision.

Lulu sends hugs to Big M. She also said to tell him that while she is up and available for long walks on the beach she is not looking to start a family :p She feels he is a stud muffin even if he loses his two manly bits.

You're all so wonderful for providing such thoughtful answers!

You are all leaning the same way I was/am, not to have him be a stud. While I do appreciate people's suggestions to breed him, and Marcel appreciates the suggestions that he is, indeed, a "stud" - I just don't want to "lose" him as the loving little guy that he is. He has the most tremendous personality - and is SUCH a lovebug, and I'd be devastated if he lost that - for me AND for him.

It's not about money, bc I don't think the money is that great anyway - I just kept getting asked and it lead me to think...."well, geez, should I?" - so I wanted the opinions of all the great YT minds. And, I think it's unanimous - keep him precious, not hormone-obsessed and marking.

And, he loves him some Lulu - and so appreciates her nod to his studliness, with or without his manbits.

NOW, as for cloning.....well...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I've heard some people say that their studs DIDN'T change (personality, marking, etc) after breeding, but yeah.....that would be a tough risk to take.

But he certainly is ADORABLE! In the extreme! :D

if you really want to do it i would email a breeder you really respect on here and ask them to rate your marcel to see if he is going to better the breed. and also to see their advice.

i love him tho and would take a puppy that looked like him anyday lol! i dont see anything wrong with him but im not a breeder lol!

I'm glad you are 'just thinking". ceeby is my main man. he did not change in any way at all once i started studing him to my own girls. i brought another little guy in to use later for Ceeby's two girls I held back to breed. He is too young to stud but thinks he knows all and can do all. Well, honey, let me tell you, I have two girls in heat for what seems like forever. War has been going on in my house. Not because of Ceeby but because of the younger (eight months) guy trying to beat up on Ceeby. I take turns crating boys and girls and when it is the boys turn, I have to use separate crates so Renny won't kill Ceeby.

My Choice~
 

Was not to because of the fact they would no longer be my innocent little boyz...Charlie marked like crazy right B4 getting neutered, I can't imagine going through that all the time, even on my curtains...I know there is a chance they may not, but I agree, not one for me to take...Good Luck :animal36

also if i was u i would get my own girl so you dont have to worry with a partner!

Not a good idea to have two intack males around an in heat female. Even the best buddies would kill each other. I know they are our babies, but lets not forget they are animals and have a natural instint.

Now as far as studding your boy, I have studded my Petey out and he does not mark anything, ever. I have been told how lucky I am and I know it. My friend's dog has ruined her walls in her house from constant markings. You have to decide if you are willing to take that chance.

Oh and by the way, my Petey looks like he could be Marcel's brother.

Oh my, what a handful you have right now! I know we're both nurses, and I think this sounds like almost as much work as 15 beds during a shift! LOL. I wanna see pics of your main man, Ceeby - I bet he's a doll!

You are LUCKY indeed, how unusual! They do look like brothers - that same little face!

Marcel has quite possibly the cutest face I've ever seen. Every time I see his picture I just want to say.....I love you Marceeeeeeeeel!!!!! Such a sweet little puddin!!

Thank goodness, Frankie is out now, Kandy has been bred and should be going out in a few days, ceeby is my dollbaby. If I had to let all but one go, he is the one that stays. He is the little lighter one in my avatar. I think it says Ceeby and then he is also on my website. he usually weighs four pounds but I'd guess right now he has lost weight mourning the girls and what he is not allowed to do;)

I just wanted to say he is the cutest baby I have ever seen!!!! Pixie is similar in the face but your baby has a great coat, Pixie doesn't

im just asking a question because skoshi is super light too like ceeby. but would you consider that bettering the breed since they are so light? and its not really standard color? now dont take this wrong in anyway i was just wondering since your a breeder. to me her marcel looks like a great canidate to better the breed

i don't take it wrong. No, ceeby is not in the standard color for SHOW dogs. but, he is darker than his picture looks. his back is actually almost charcoal Did you know that some show people dye their yorkies for the show ring? i didn't until a well known show breeder on here recently told me that when I questioned the color of her show dogs who are light like Ceeby. did you also know that show people perfer a little longer leg and a longer neck than what we see on here. It makes them look very regal in the full coats. As far as bettering the breed, My dogs have raised the bar on breeding pet quality dogs in my area. when I started, I bought dogs that were from show kennels. people on YT that have been here to my home love my adult dogs. They almost to a person have said their pictures don't do them justice. So i take no offense at your question because i know what I have but you probably have opened a can of worms from other people that will jump in on this.. if I were to show you some pictures of the yorkies I looked at before i bought, you would die to think people are even breeding such dogs. they look nothing like yorkies are supposed to look.:D i almost bought one before I bought Ceeby because I didn't know any better. :( I even had one local breeder tell me that she didn't think males ears are supposed to stand because she had never seen a male with erect ears. this was a person that has been breeding for many years.
Let's remember this is Marcel's thread. and he is one little gorgeous dog.

sorry for taking marcels thread like i said i think he is beautiful for breeding and i also dont think i will be jumped on because i was just wondering about the light colors how will i learn if i dont ask. :)

i will continue this in a pm!

i personally prefer the light ones. But, that little Marcel is soooooo pretty.

I just Love Marcels Face! I dont know anything on studding and breeding... but I can certainly see that Marcel is a definite Cutie Pie! :) ;) :)

Marcel is indeed a real cutie. I understand completely how you feel. People always ask me who Lola's breeder is and if we are going to breed her. She is 3 lbs, so of course not. :eek: Ultimately, it is your choice. I have a little humper on my hands right now(a.k.a. Chuey.) I cannot wait to get him fixed. I already made the appointment.;)

Ah! Indeed. Marcel has recently taken a lover as well. I could've DIED last night when I looked over and there he was ON HIS BACK humping his stuffed lover dog - while lying on his back (lover dog was on top). It was hysterical, never seen anything like it.

How Funny! Typical man, He's already making his lover do all the work~~;)

I have no opinions about breeding because I'm not a breeder. I just wanted to say that I think Marcel is absolutely beautiful!!! I love his little face!!!:)