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JoyRenee 07-21-2007 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sondra2004 (Post 1251453)
If the Puppy is a boy you should call him Chance.
Very Cute and I will have to mention that to Everyone here.. I like it! ;)

JoyRenee 07-21-2007 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sondra2004 (Post 1251453)
If the Puppy is a boy you should call him Chance.
Cute, Very Cute! I like it... I'll have to tell my family and see if they would agree. ;) :) ;) OOPS I already posted this.. LOL.. I am going delerious with all this.

HighlandYorkies 07-23-2007 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tegamom1 (Post 1251439)
It has always been my understanding that it was very dangerous for a bitch to be bred her first time if she was over 3 years old.
Well you learn something new every day it seems - maybe ?????
Since when ?
In all the time I talked about my female who was three and a half at the time, and will be four in July....did no-one else say this to me ???? Not even the best breeders on this web-site !
Not only that, but in all the books I have read, I have never heard of that written either. Even my pick of the litter, top show-ring Bearded Collie's mother was 5 when she had her first litter, and believe me those breeders would never have risked their dog !
Is this a Yorkie thing ?
I always thought it best for the dog to be under 5 years, but why would it be dangerous after 3 for a first litter ?
I know Guinea-pigs have to be bred before a year before their pubic bone sets.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THAT FOR DOGS.
Could anyone clarify ?

Gobsmacked......Debra:animal-pa

txshopper73 07-23-2007 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies (Post 1255014)
Well you learn something new every day it seems - maybe ?????
Since when ?
In all the time I talked about my female who was three and a half at the time, and will be four in July....did no-one else say this to me ???? Not even the best breeders on this web-site !
Not only that, but in all the books I have read, I have never heard of that written either. Even my pick of the litter, top show-ring Bearded Collie's mother was 5 when she had her first litter, and believe me those breeders would never have risked their dog !
Is this a Yorkie thing ?
I always thought it best for the dog to be under 5 years, but why would it be dangerous after 3 for a first litter ?
I know Guinea-pigs have to be bred before a year before their pubic bone sets.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THAT FOR DOGS.
Could anyone clarify ?

Gobsmacked......Debra:animal-pa
Pm yorkierose and mardelin. They are show exhibitors that have been doing it for many years (40+). If I'm not mistaken, they do not advise to breed a bitch over the age of 2 (or was it 3, can't remember) because in toy breeds, their pubic bones will set and during labor, the bitch will have a harder time passing the pups.

Like I said, pm them...I can't remember the exact wording but I know that I've seen it posted many times here.

HighlandYorkies 07-23-2007 07:18 PM
Thanks for that.....but as I said, I asked loads of questions at the time, and none of these breeders or any of the others on here told me about that, and they knew all about Tammy. They knew I was learning, and that this would be my first litter if it worked, and they knew Tammy was over 3 years old and gave me very good advice on feeding etc for which I was so greatful.....maybe an oversight, but if true a very dangerous one for my bitch if she had gotten pregnant. It's a pity I didn't hear of this before, as there is bound to have been talk of it at sometime, just not since I have been on YT.
My Scottish breeder friends will know the answer to this, and I will e-mail them immediately;)
I am so glad this has been mentioned ! Thanks so much - I will check.
My babies mean the world to me, and I would never risk them:D
:animal-pa Debra x x x x

tegamom1 07-23-2007 07:34 PM
I;m sure you can just go to searchand find post my Mardelin and others. Different breeders have different ideas, but I tend to follow the advise of these long time respected breeders and think it would never be worth any risk, but that's just me.

Mardelin 07-23-2007 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 1255653)
Pm yorkierose and mardelin. They are show exhibitors that have been doing it for many years (40+). If I'm not mistaken, they do not advise to breed a bitch over the age of 2 (or was it 3, can't remember) because in toy breeds, their pubic bones will set and during labor, the bitch will have a harder time passing the pups.

Like I said, pm them...I can't remember the exact wording but I know that I've seen it posted many times here.
Not 2 years....boy our breeding time span for a female would almost be nothing since rule says not before 18 months or their 2nd Season. The age is 3 for a first time litter. Just like any other female waiting too late can pose issues since the bones in the reproductive area have set. Not saying it can't be done, but would I, NO. Wouldn't take the chance, it can put your female in a dangerous position of not having an easy whelp. Of course, welping puppies in any case is not a walk in the park.

Why do you see so many Show Females out there at a young age with their owner's attempting to get them Championed Quick? This is the reason and the fact as soon as they are bred, they cut down coat, but primarily to breed them before the age of 3.

txshopper73 07-23-2007 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1255777)
The age is 3 for a first time litter.
Thanks...like I said, I couldn't remember...but knew that it had been talked about here before.:)

HighlandYorkies 07-23-2007 07:56 PM
It's good to know - thank heavens she didn't get pregnant last time then, as nobody mentioned this fact to me, and I have never heard of it - I just thought there was a limit of 5 to be safe. I had no idea that first time was not after 3 !
Is this the case for any dog - and therefore was my breeder of my Bearded Collie wrong to breed for the first time at 5, or is it different for bigger dogs ?

....And am I right that Tammy at 4 yrs in a week, is too old now ?

Sorry I seem to have taken over this thread....ooops !

Mardelin 07-23-2007 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies (Post 1255807)
It's good to know - thank heavens she didn't get pregnant last time then, as nobody mentioned this fact to me, and I have never heard of it - I just thought there was a limit of 5 to be safe. I had no idea that first time was not after 3 !
Is this the case for any dog - and therefore was my breeder of my Bearded Collie wrong to breed for the first time at 5, or is it different for bigger dogs ?

....And am I right that Tammy at 4 yrs in a week, is too old now ?

Sorry I seem to have taken over this thread....ooops !
Mmmmm I'm not sure about other larger breeds, since I've only bred yorkies and haven't delved into other breeds....but, logically if you quit using a female after the age of say between 5 and 6.....that would mean you mean you would only get 1 litter or maybe 2

HighlandYorkies 07-23-2007 08:06 PM
Yes, that's right, and my Beardie breeder bred Tasha's mum twice -
Thanks for the advice....I have learned something new today - and something very important to me and Tammy :)
:animal-pa Debra x x x x


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