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Emmsmom 07-10-2007 11:47 AM
One of the studs looks like he has a bit of a roach back. Also in some of the pictures the pups look like they are loosing hair on their noses.

Just curious why is the dirt and rock a breeding place for coccidia? We live on the side of a mountain and our back yard is nothing but huge rocks and dirt. Plus a lot of trees. Diesel LOVES playing in the dirt.

Mardelin 07-10-2007 11:56 AM
Dirt is a breeding ground for parasites.

Gingergirlsmom 07-10-2007 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tegamom1 (Post 1206195)
Just found this site http://www.dandieyorkies.com/index.html that came up when I was looking for something else. Thought I might advise people to please avoid places like this. 21 mommies and the poor looking little studs... Really now.....JMO
I only count 14 mommies. Most have more than one picture posted...

JiggityJig 07-10-2007 12:33 PM
I think her dogs are very cute, though obviously very much "pet quality". Yes, there's a lot of them....but they look well-kept and happy.

Very over-priced though. I know it's controversial, but I personally don't have a problem with people raising non-show-quality dogs, and offering them for cheaper pet prices. I DO have a problem with them asking top dollar for dogs that aren't top-notch.

Mardelin 07-10-2007 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggityJig (Post 1224692)
I think her dogs are very cute, though obviously very much "pet quality". Yes, there's a lot of them....but they look well-kept and happy.

Very over-priced though. I know it's controversial, but I personally don't have a problem with people raising non-show-quality dogs, and offering them for cheaper pet prices. I DO have a problem with them asking top dollar for dogs that aren't top-notch.
As breeders we should all be striving to breed the best, pet or show.

tegamom1 07-10-2007 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom (Post 1224628)
I only count 14 mommies. Most have more than one picture posted...
14 or 40. The problems are still the same as mentioned before by several reputable breeders and exhibitors.

Mardelin 07-10-2007 01:06 PM
Can I clear something up here. The big name kennels have as many as this website. But, they are professional breeders, how do you think they have as many champions as they do. They have the great stock to breed the finest quality. The difference is, they are professionals, with a full time staff and do it for the love of their breed. Their dogs are maintained in state of the art kennels, with wonderful yards, excersized, conditioned , proper nutrition, and wonderful medical care.

CO_yorkie_momma 07-10-2007 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom (Post 1224628)
I only count 14 mommies. Most have more than one picture posted...
LOL...that is how many I counted to. Someone else counted them and got a different number so I dont know.

Emmsmom 07-10-2007 01:15 PM
In my eyes there is no way to avoid coccidia other than to keep them under lock and key. ;) That is something I can't do. Diesel is my baby but he also LOVES being a dog at times too.:) THis is one reason why I don't breed. I think he would be just miserable not being able torun and play and get dirty. He is all boy what can I say.:D

tegamom1 07-10-2007 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1224758)
Can I clear something up here. The big name kennels have as many as this website. But, they are professional breeders, how do you think they have as many champions as they do. They have the great stock to breed the finest quality. The difference is, they are professionals, with a full time staff and do it for the love of their breed. Their dogs are maintained in state of the art kennels, with wonderful yards, excersized, conditioned , proper nutrition, and wonderful medical care.
Thank you. That's the point I was trying to make, but you always do it so much better. That's why you're such a valuable mentor (and friend).

Mardelin 07-10-2007 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Emmsmom (Post 1224781)
In my eyes there is no way to avoid coccidia other than to keep them under lock and key. ;) That is something I can't do. Diesel is my baby but he also LOVES being a dog at times too.:) THis is one reason why I don't breed. I think he would be just miserable not being able torun and play and get dirty. He is all boy what can I say.:D
I'm a breeder/exhibitor and yet to have a case of giardia, coccidia or any other parasite...My dogs are kept in a clean environment and allowed to be dogs.

tegamom1 07-10-2007 01:29 PM
I have a rescue Greyhound in my back yard that runs and plays. Fancy gets to go out some also. We just have to constantly keep everything cleaned and sprayed and haven't had any problems either. I might add tho, she is never left unattended. Much too small and too many things can happen and too many cases of "dognapping". CJ, doesn't go out since his coat has to be protected for the ring, but he has a heck of a good time running and playing and tormenting Fancy in the house.

CO_yorkie_momma 07-10-2007 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1224488)
You can have all the Champions (and I'm not directing this at your breeding CO Momma)....in a bloodline, but if you as a breeder don't know what you are doing when breeding, and just using the Champions as a selling ploy to the unsuspecting public, then those Champions doin't really mean anything.

In other words "It's not only what you have it's what you do with it" I've seen too many BYBers get a hold of a great bloodline through the backdoor and screw it up royally because they haven't studied breeding/genetics, etc. and all they wanted to do was breed to sell and not improve.

I completely understand your point you are making. It is just my opinion that if you pay the extra money to try and get quality dogs with numerous champions then you shouldnt have to feel guilty about advertising that or charging more for the puppies. You cant expect to buy a LandRover and pay a Kia price for it. (Not saying mine are Landrovers, it is just an analogy in general.)

Jan L. 07-10-2007 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1224731)
As breeders we should all be striving to breed the best, pet or show.
AMEN.

I went to the puppymill site & can not stop crying.

Mardelin 07-10-2007 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 1224816)
I completely understand your point you are making. It is just my opinion that if you pay the extra money to try and get quality dogs with numerous champions then you shouldnt have to feel guilty about advertising that or charging more for the puppies. You cant expect to buy a LandRover and pay a Kia price for it. (Not saying mine are Landrovers, it is just an analogy in general.)

I understand what you are saying, but I am amazed being an exhibitor/breeder that doesn't advertise, seeing that some of these breeder's fees are astronomically higher than breeder/exhibitor's fees.


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