Akc Puppy Registration
 

Hi,

For those of you who have had Yorkie puppies, that you sold, have any of you have done the registration before the pups were given to their new owners?

The AKC sent me this info when I registered the litter:

AKC is pleased to announce a new registration option for breeders, Full Litter Offspring Registration. If you are interested in registering all the puppies in this litter to yourself, the fee is only $10 per puppy, a 50% savings off the cost of a traditional dog registration. In addition to the savings, this option also provides you with 1) a way to quickly register all the puppies to yourself, 2) more control over data provided during the registration process, including the ability to select the names of each puppy, 3) the option to purchase discounted pedigrees, and 4) the ability to transfer already-registered puppies to your new owners, a tremendous additional value.

The one problem I see is that the new owners may want to have the registration name of the puppy one that they prefer, even if it saves them a bit of money and they already have the AKC registration.

What do you think?

Thx!

Debbie
Tea' +6

I agree if you register the pup in your name first...
then transfer to the new owners.. they would not be able to give the pup the name they choose.
If I were to buy a new pup, I would like to be able to name him/her myself.

Me too! I would be very disappointed if the puppy I got was already named and registered with the AKC.

i registered my last litter this way. not the babies i have now but Frankie's four wee ones. reason being, you cannot register a kennel name with AKC unless you show. Out of the five from my kandy's litter, three of them were show prospects according to the AKC judges. i know that's unusual for that many out of the same litter but you all read the judges comments here. AND, my very first puppy from my Southern Showgirl Silk is already in shows. haven't heard how's she is doing for awhile. What was happening was that my puppies were in the show ring (some of them) with no credit being given to me. i called AKC and was told that the only way my kennel could get the recognition was if i do a full registration with my name, Dee's Lil' as a name prefix. Now, i didn't register these last two that way because they are not from show stock on either side. not close enough to count anyway. show "prospects' are what you make of them but i wanted my name out there just in case. it wasn't a problem with any of my buyers. For future reference for anyone thinking of buying from a show breeder, you WILL use their name as a prefix regardless of what you name the puppy and i believe in Canada, the breeder has to do a full litter registration to sell the puppies.

Love YT! You definitely learn something new all the time!

I'm so far removed from the world of show dogs that I didn't know this but it makes perfect sense for show quality pups and serious show breeders.

Thanks for the info!

i was just fortunate enough the first time to purchase a retired showgirl to get me started. had one little puppy then spayed her because of her difficult pregnancy. Then, i was fortunate again to purchase Frankie and Kandy, who come from a long line of champions, from a show breeder/exhibitor who was downsizing due to disability. So I have been blessed. i know nothing at all about showing and am not even remotely interested in it but would like to see something with Dee's Lil as part of it's name if one of my babies ever wins anything. that would be so cool!!!!!!!!! besides, the dog's "call name" can be anything the new owner wants it to be.

Wow! Dee that's wonderful, what show did you take them to to have the pups evaluated and at what age? Do you remember the AKC judge that evaluated them.

Mary

Allowing new families to register the pups has not been a problem for me. They've always asked if they can use my kennel name. But, since my pups go out on a spay nueter contract and it's unimportant to me unless in some rare instance they've obtained a show dog from me. Then it isn't a problem, since exhibitors know that when registering a dog the breeder's Kennel name is always used when registering the dog. Exhibitors also know that breeders have a theme with some of their lines and usually follow that theme. Like my Charmer "Champion This Time I'm Here Let's Party. His son, CJ (Charmer Junior) who is about to go in the show ring was registered as "Mardelin's Let's Party Again". If a female had of been obtained, they would have followed after the dam "Champion This Time Worth The Wait/Go-Go

Another instance is my Denny "Champion This Time Grand Slam. His dad was Champion Tajmoor's Major League, and his grandsire was Champion This Time Junior League. His brother now a champion was registered as This Time Triple Play

Mardelin, here is the link to the one that is already showing UKC I think unless she has dropped out

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...=sugar%27s

Do you remember that contest from Newsday.com that someone posted on here last fall? it was just for fun. A few of us sent our pictures in face shot, side shot and stacked and the AKC judge evaluated them and gave us their opinion. I have a thread on here somewhere titled "What the AKC judge had to say." They all got high marks from the judges. i do remember that one of the last ones, I think it was the judge that evaluated the one I have held back for me, was the older, tall, thin gray haired lady. it told her name under her comments. I was so excited because you know as well as I do, i just kind of fell into this and didn't even realize the quality of the females I was buying or anything else at the time. it has been a learning process for me. It's too bad I live in such a rural area of Kentucky. I have always said I have no interest in showing at all and i don't really think I do but I have the prettiest gal that is seven months old now that i believe has what it takes. She is the one the AKC lady judge commented on. They made remarks about, color ears, top line and etc. it was so much fun at the time. i also know that if the people that got them don't work with them, they will never amount to anything. A show dog is what you make it. (if it has the looks to start with).

Neat, so the judge evaluated from a photo.

You're right, given that you have the right stuff to start with. Bloodlines, structure, health, temprement, attitude......show dogs are born but, must be molded.

That is amazing....since my stock are all Champions and come from 10 generations of Champions and lucky to have 1 pup in 6 litters that I myself would deem show quality and take into the ring myself. Although, one of my Champion studs has 2 offspring kicking butt in the ring right now and one coming out in August and 2 more right behind him. He's throwing amazing pups, but then his sire throws gorgeous pups too and his grandsire Johnnie Handsome sired over 60+ in the states alone.

Too bad if she dropped out.

www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67963
this is the link to some of it. it was just for fun ya know. i'm just a little country girl so what do I know. i know i was very blessed to get good dogs to start with. now if I could find a stud that satisfies me before my girls have to be retired. I have my Crosswinds male but still trying to decide if I like him well enough to stud. i would almost die to have something, anything from Johnny Handsome. the little male pup i was getting that fell thru was full of pastoral.

Well it looks like you had fun with it. I just wish it was that easy to get an evaluation, it sure would save alot of time, money and travel to get judges approval to Champion them before I ever attempt to breed them.

yes, that would be nice. At least it let me know I am having some nice babies.

Dee, I'm certainly not trying to rain on your parade, but if someone could actually evaluate a puppy, especially young puppies, from photographs, there would be no need for dog shows. Even looking at the dogs in the ring, until you can see their movement, you can tell nothing other than they have a nice coat. That's why judges observe their movement first and then put hands ON. That's the only way you can tell what is under that hair. Breeders such as Mary are so very particular of the quality of the dogs she has going in the ring, that the puppies she places in companion homes are nicer than many of the dogs that are being shown. Such is true of most of the long time Yorkie breeder/exhibitors.
Hey girl, you live in Kentucky, not outer space! I've been there, lovely state, it's not that far to shows and the drive is beautiful. Hey, I live in Texas. It's nothing to drive 300 - 600 miles to a show. There are a few here in Lubbock and Amarillo, but they don't come around often enough to do someone much good. Gotta travel! It's fun! Walking into the ring or even having someone handling a dog that's yours or your breeding is an awesome feeling. The only way to have show puppies is to show..

hey, you are not raining on my parade at all. i know there is more to it than pictures. but it all in fun and the judges comments were very nice and let me know i am putting nice puppies out there. i didn't sell them as show prospects but the new owners are the ones that are going to try them. I only have one that I know for sure is showing unless as I said before, she dropped out. i haven't heard from her for awhile. true, the only way to have show puppies is to show but you can have some very nice show prospects and then if the new owners don't grab it and go, it's their fault. kentucky might as well be outer space LOl and i'm really not interested enough to travel 600 miles to go to a show. All I want to be is a hobby breeder with nice pups.

Dee,

I'm glad you had fun, doing what you did and it is nice to have someone say nice things about your puppies.

A bit of unsolicited advice though. Show breeders have 2 different contracts as well as 2 different prices, show and pet. And I'm sure you've heard some of this. Show contracts are a more stringent because when we sell our show puppies we want them Championed, we have more control over it that way. Not only that we have more control over where the puppies are bred as well as where their offspring is placed. We spend more time raising, training, conditioning and evaluating show puppies before we even deem them show prospects.....Picking out that special puppy by evaluating first at 8 weeks, 12, weeks 4 months, 5 months and really never making a decision until you put them in the ring. You don't know the countless hours I spend, table training them, teaching them to lay still for topknots, stack correctly at the end of a lead, making sure they stand still while people go over them, teaching them how to bait and free stack on the floor, watching them gait, making them walk on wierd patterned carpet, slippery floors, dirt, grass, how to give expression.

As you said you'd like your name as breeder on that registration, should that one puppy of yours ever do anything, well the only way you can make sure that puppy is going to do anything is sell it as a show dog with a stringent contract that they will Champion it. There is more aspects to that contract of course, evaluating it various intervals and various times through out it's career. Making sure it's doing something and if not making sure there are stipulations in that contract, if it isn't that it be placed with a professional handler by a certain age......etc.

thank you for your advice. At the time i sold her, i didn't have a clue but i am a bit smarter now about things like that. i guess we need to apoligize to the op for getting so far off topic on his thread. oops sorry.

I don't think they really mind since nothing bad was said and no arguement went on. I think when this type of dicussion goes on it's educational.

Remember too that when that show puppy goes out the door, you are responsible too, that it is a show dog. If not you suck it up financially.

I will say one thing that you may take offense to, no one that hasn't shown and championed dogs should be selling show puppies. A bit blunt, but how can you know if you have a great representation of the breed unless you've been there.

This has been educational. I took Danali to a show today to have Georgette Franzoni go over her. She's only 11 weeks old but I'm checking her out for show potential. We already practise stacking, showing her teeth, and are starting on the leash. She was so good today. Hung out in her crate, met people, held her potty until we got home. Five hours of holding it is really good for a baby. She stacked beautifully for Georgette, she's very balanced and has fantastic attitude. She's breaking a deep color and her ear set, topline, and tail set look great so far. Anything can happen in the next 3 1/2 monthes but we'll see because I was advised to keep a hold of her so I'm gonna keep watching to see what I've got.

mardelin, I take no offense BECAUSE I never advertised these puppies as show puppies. At least i don't think I did. hey, I was such a dingbat in the beginning, I don't even remember. But if someone bought one of my nice puppies and THEY thought it had show quality, then it is up to them to prove it. i turn down buyers almost every day that are looking for show quality pups or refer them to Ms. Coburn, an exhibitor/breeder in my area. This was brought up by the people buying them, not me.

Tami, Georgette is one of the best. Now is the time to begin evaluation and training. Her Kristopher was gorgeous. Good luck with her and I'll keep my fingers crossed that she holds together for you. I know I didn't make the final decision about Tahlulah until I took her in the ring and she pointed her first weekend out. Even though Lee and other top breeders evaluated her throughout her short life, until Lee looked and her and said I'm gonna steal you from your mother did I feel the highest compliment was paid to my ability in picking a show puppy.

I think I'll show her at a puppy match that is coming up in August, it's a 5 day cluster so it will be some work!! Do you know if I have to have her registered before the match or just before a show.

Tami, No you don't have to have her AKC registered before a puppy match. You can even show her under regular classes under her puppy registration, I think for 3 shows. But, it doesn't take long to get her registration back. I sent Tahlulah's out a 2 weeks before she was registered in her 1st show and got it back in a week.

Mary

Mary Ann,
So true. We recently drove well over 600 miles round trip just to show a new pup. If you have the determination and the passion, the drive means little. We also had the pleasure of meeting the Franzoni's. AWESOME lady and so is her hubby who I happen to share a name with, lol :p
My poor odometer is going to get a run for its money this summer for sure. Have 4 shows coming up soon that are going to be long trips. But... I love it once I get there! :D
My hubby travels to KY once every year (he is a race car driver) and I had thought of tagging along if there's ever a show on his race weekend. I love to see new places and meet new folks.

I love traveling to dog shows, not only in hopes of finishing my dog, but socializing with people that have your same interest. Showing is fun, but it's going to dinner afterward with everyone that was in the ring with you. Anyway, when I 1st started out I was told by my mentor you can't finish a dog in your backyard.

I'm like you, I actually love the traveling that goes with showing.
Dinner after the show? What's that? LOL!! A pizza in the room (after my nap) is usually as far as I'm able to drag myself after a long day. I did however enjoy sitting at the hotel bar recently with all the judges. That was very entertaining.

Oh no, that's part of the fun. Getting together with not only the Yorkie people but, other breeds and some handlers. Sharing dog stories and exchanging tips and helping each other out. I know it's a long day, but it's all part of the weekend. Then there's also that WalMart run, we have so much fun in that store, it's almost a party.

Oh yes. I got your point. We try to have a little fun afterwards when able. I enjoy it most when we can stay at the host hotel or one where many of the show people are at. I rarely travel to shows alone, it's usually with another yorkie person, so we try to have some fun time afterwards. I just get so darn tired. I suffer from insomnia so if I wasn't able to get a really good night's sleep the night before doesn't help me with the "after fun". Now you want to talk about "after partys" ever been to a horse show? My family showed quarter horses for many years. The stories I could tell you....:D
But I won't...to protect the innocent. :angelhalo