Help! Horney Yorkies!
 

Hi everyone,
My name is Tom and im new to the world of yorkie breeding. About a year ago we got an ACA Purebred yorkie from a local breeder and we loved him to death. all of our friends and family really love him also and more or less alot of them would like a puppy from him. After a ton of research we found a female that we thought would best fit his temperment, color, breeding... however she is still only 6 months old and in heat. At this point if he were to get her pregnant I know it would be a very bad thing, plus we dont even know if shes going to be big enough for him as hes oversized for the breed standard to say the least (12 lbs) she is gaining on him at 8lbs but we dont want them to breed until A shes old enough and B were sure it wont hurt her as we love her too. Here is my delema... She is on day 15 of her heat and he wants nothing more than to violate her in every way. We have tried bringing him 10 miles away to a friends house, but he howls mercilessly, if we put them together he tries to rape her.. We keep a belly band on him and a Doggie diaper on her, however he still just wants to breed. I dont want to put them together if its going to injure her, and it doesnt seem that i can calm him down until she is out of heat. i was wondering if any of you have any tips that can maybe take his mind off his mission? hes going to destroy my house, or at the very least his kennel if we dont do something soon. HEEEEEELP hehe im pulling out my hair.

You need to keep them in different rooms and just keep them completely away from each other until she is done with her heat. I just went thru this with my male with not just one, but two females that were in heat at around the same time. I plan to let them breed their next heats, but it was hard as Sydney, my male, cried and carried on. He survived though, and neither girl got pregnant.

Hes not just yelping and crying though... i wish it were that easy... he is smart enough to open his kennel... ive even zip tied it shut and he just gnaws off the zip ties then opens it... then he jumps a 3 1/2 foot baracade, runs up a flight of stairs... rips off his belly band and pounds on the door to the room shes in relentlessly (thank god he cant reach the knob because hes smart enough to open it) This dog can unscrew a lid to a econo size tub of milk bones and serve himself if we leave him unattended for more than 2 mins and they are within his jumping reach.. so needless to say sleep has not been an option for us... no matter how far apart we put them they actually both carry on... he howls, and she just whipers and barks... i mean i know its best for both of them but damn... he is one horney lil sucker and hes too damn smart for his own good. I have an offer from a local breeder to stud him. Would this calm him down? or just temporarily entertain him? is there something i can do to help him get his mind off the scent in the house or am i pretty much screwed until this heat is over?

YOu could take the female to someone elses house and let them keep her crated and on a leash when out to potty. There are pills for females in heat that stop the scent that the males pick up.

Belly bands will not prevent conception. The best thing to do would be to keep them completely seperated. Has your male ever been used for stud, I only ask because if he hasn't, his behavior is very unusual for a virgin male.
You're wise to not want to breed your female until she's older (approximately 18 months of age).

Since this breed is very unpredictable to size of the offspring. But, dependent on what you want to produce and because they are both beyond the Yorkie Standard) I'm not sure of breeding these 2 pups would be the best thing.

Thanks for the tip on the pills ill call the vet today. He has never been used as a stud. Hes just a natural breeder i think lol... As for thier size and contaiminating the yorkie gene pool, im well aware they are big, but they are also extreamly healthy, and if you met the male when he wasnt howling like a mad man, you would see why we want to breed him. He is really a beloved dog in our local comunity, hes a mascot of sorts for our buisness, and there are alot of freinds and family that would kill for him or one of his puppies as a pet. So we decided to breed him to bring joy to those people with an outstanding and loyal pet. personally i dont care that they are big, were breeding for pets not for westminster, and each one of his offspring will be a gift, so were not even looking to profit off of this. Our vet also said hes so large partally because hes alot more muscular than most yorkies, we have fed him a strict diet of solid gold dog food, and he was raised by our labrador which i guess playing with her and wrestling made him alot stronger than normal. for his frame he would still be large but the vet said only 9 pounds if he were a typical yorkie... plus his mother was only 6 pounds and his father was 7, all his brothers and sisters are also much smaller, hes kind of a fluke from my understanding, which is fine i wouldnt have him any other way. but thanks for all the advice everyone and if anyone has more im all ears, i dont know how many more sleepless nights i can handle.

Sounds like you'll be spreading the Yorkie Love to some very lucky folks!

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Good luck with the breeding! Maybe we'll cross doggie paths someday up your way.:cool:

i totally agree with this. i think since the two are not within the breed standard, i would stay away from breeding them.

ohhh and good luck with your venture with these two new babies of yours.
welcome to yorkie talk.
if you are new to breeding, there are a lot of experienced breeders here to help you on your way.

they say to always put some vicks on the the tip of the females tale and to put it on the top of the males nose, something to try when they are in seperate rooms.

Called 5 local vets and none have ever heard of a pill that can make females stop projecting hormones. They all said there is a pill you can give your little girl prior to her going in heat that will delay a heat incase she needs to show, but nothing to stop the odor they are aware of. So if you have a name for this pill it would help me out tremendously. the pill to delay the heat was called ovation in case anyone is wondering. As for the vicks trick i am willing to try anything at this point so i will definatly give it a go. As for everyone knocking me for breeding big yorkies, as ive said im not breeding them to show im breeding them for there temperment and the disire ppl have for their offspring as pets... i already have a waiting list 12 deep for thier puppies, so think what you want :D i love them anyway. Think of it this way, i may be contaiminating the gene pool, but at least im reading up on how to do it properly and asking some of the best minds in the industry here for help. Its not like im trying to make some super genetic freaks to inundate the show dog world with. im making larger than normal extreamly athletic, fun, and friendly yorkies that will be happy healthy and given outstanding homes. These dogs will never be show dogs, and i dont even really care about certifying the pups, they will be pets i will be giving to people free of charge. All of which will be spayed and nutered. once these two have filled their waiting list they too will be spayed and nuetered. so please im just asking for some help to bring a little joy to some loved ones lives.

it looks like you love these babies. it is great how you have come here for advise which many do not....they just do it.
good luck

heres a picture of Madison posing for the camera, hes really a ham, and hes very unique, from his size right down to his unyorkie like floppy ears. And we love every last bit of him as do our family and friends. Ill get a pic of our little girl up here later, Im at work and i dont have one of her here at the moment.

:D he certainly does look like a real sweetheart.:D

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I also would not recommend breeding these 2 since they will be way above standard.

Actually i did have a picture of our little girl here at the shop. Her name is daisy, shes currently 6 months old 8lbs and in heat, this pic was taken when she was 4 mos.

As i have said from the begining, i dont care about breed standards, i want some big fat ass lovable yorkies, that is why i picked her as his mate because shes big boned too. i just want some awsome family pets so please get over yourselves. If i wanted westminster champions i would have said so. However im quite content with big healthy fun yorkies that are a little bigger than average. I assure you if you met these two you would want to breed them too. I mean they not only geniunely love each other but they love people in general. I couldnt ask for better family pets. not to mention due to his size he has some advantages over the lil 7 lbs standards. He can outrun my labrador, clear a 4 ft baracade without touching it, I dont have to worry about him being frail when playing with our 70lbs lab, and i assure you every vet that has seen him has said he is a beacon of health. So excuse me for not wanting to line breed little unhealthy teacups to make a quick buck.

Could someone explain why he shouldn't breed them in relation to what he's said?:confused:

He has friends and family lined up waiting for these pups that he's giving them to. Not selling to.

They will all be family pets that will be spayed and neutered.

He will be spaying and neutering his after he's filled the list.

I'm confused as to why people are still whipping the "beyond standard" pole.

So start producing beacon .

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I couldn't have said it better myself!! Especially the last sentence!!!

I don't believe anyone suggested "line breeding little unhealthy teacups to make a quick buck". Responsible owners and breeders certainly don't want to see that happen either. The personality traits you describe are quite common in most "standard" Yorkies also. Yours is not out of the ordinary. There are already lots of fun loving, oversized, flop eared Yorkies out there that need homes that your friends could provide. I'm very happy you love your dogs, thats the way it should be. You also said you had 12 people or so that you want to provide puppies for. What if you only get one or two? Are you just going to keep breeding until she fulfills everyone "need"? It would be much better and healthier for your bitch if you waited till she was at least 18 months old. Yorkies don't mature as some of the larger breeds and she will basically still be a child. That would mean going through another season or two and as you have discovered, it's difficult.

sorry thanks to my male im operating on about 15 minutes of sleep today and about 3 hours in the last 48 hours so im a little crabby to say the least. I will be waiting until the vet gives her the green light to breed with our boy. If i have to wait 3 seasons so be it. Ill just get the hang of it this time around and deal with it. I promise you i would not jepardize the health of either of these two i love them far too much. I Also take them to two vets at the moment to make sure they get the best possible care, so i will wait for a green light from both vets. However we took her into both vets at the begining of this heat and they said due to the amount of swelling and the frame she is expected to fill we shouldnt have a problem. However we are waiting to make sure. so yes we plan on waiting at least 18 months or longer.

and honestly we are planning to breed her once if the vets deem it safe and see what happens if she is not well suited to breeding i guess we will be happy with the one or two we get. out of the 12 there is really only 2 ppl i would absolutely love to have their puppies so if thats all that she can handle is one or two we will only have one or two.

Well one of madisons vets figured out how we could have a peacefull nights sleep. We gave him a small dosage of a mild sedative, and he was quiet all night, and extreamly happy. More or less he was his old self again until about 12 hours later, but ill take that anyday. I also slept at my parents house next store with him last night and gave him and her both a bath and washed anything overthere she came in contact with. I think the combination of the 2 did the trick. So i guess i wont be seeing my wife until our little girl is out of heat :( but cest la vie.

put him in a fold down crate to keep them seperate but you should have him neutered he is too big to breed but can still make a wonderful pet yorkie

ya ya ya 10k ppl can tell me to neuter and not breed him and im still going to ;)

Stop crying about yourself and do what you want .

I did have to laugh when I read your first post...I remember when our stud Yogi was around when Dori went into heat, he wasn't quite as weird as the second time when we actually bred them. He lost his mind for 2 weeks, lol. We bred them on the advised days and the one day we weren't going to breed them (or that was my idea anyway), I left them at my office while daughter and I went to lunch. Yogi has a belly band on, Dori has a diaper on. I have a huge commercial glass door and we drive up, they are in a "tie" on display mind you and the belly band is in the corner of the room and he had chewed the diaper off of her, sorry, we had to have a laugh over this one...It was quite irresponsible of me, but I learned a valuable lesson. They cannot be left alone or even near each other while a heat in session or they WILL attempt to breed...but we have little Maggie and Bogus and couldn't be happier. Welcome to Yorkie Talk...tons of great information here if your brave..if not...wear a cup..;)

totally unrelated to your post but I just had to say "hi" as I'm down in Rotterdam and grew up in saratoga county. It's not often I see someone on here from this area so I had to mention it! :)

Thanks for all the support :) we have kept the two of them totally away from each other, i have removed her scent from the house where he is staying, and hes finally calmed down and back to being himself. I still have to leash walk him because he runs back to the other house where daisy is, but other than that hes over the howling. My wife and i haven't seen each other in a few days which sucks, but all in all were actually sleeping and the dogs seem happy. so life is better than the alternative... This has definitely been a learning experience for us.