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[drawlins27]

Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

Good post, But thats the same thread as what I was referring to.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77861

Her Thread was titled Is this Possible?
And only a few answered her question, The rest went to her website and questioned her about it instead.and about her females.
Now if She would of Titled her thread Should I breed and 8 year old female Or should I breed my 3 plus lb Female then I can see why she would of gotton all of the post on that. But she didnt. The people who posted turned her thread into something else then what she asked.
If people dont see the problem with that. Then Its never going to get better. Because right there is half of the problem in these threads. Sticking with the question. The other half is just people being rude.
So One minute people are thanking admin for reminding us, witch they should, but in the same breath they are saying they dont see a problem with what people are posting. So how can we fix some thing when some of the members cant seem to see the problem?

I see the problem with some threads getting out of hand and rude degrading comments being made. But, I don't see a problem with someone asking a poster about thir breeding practices as long as it is not made as a rude comment. As far as not sticking to the question from spoiledrottenpo, some people took at look at her website and had some legitimate concerns. How could anyone see that she breeds an 8 yr old 3 lb something female and not express their concern? I agree that some of the posts did become rude but I don't have a problem with people simply asking the question.

[Gingergirlsmom]

Originally Posted by drawlins27

I see the problem with some threads getting out of hand and rude degrading comments being made. But, I don't see a problem with someone asking a poster about thir breeding practices as long as it is not made as a rude comment. As far as not sticking to the question from spoiledrottenpo, some people took at look at her website and had some legitimate concerns. How could anyone see that she breeds an 8 yr old 3 lb something female and not express their concern? I agree that some of the posts did become rude but I don't have a problem with people simply asking the question.

While I understand what you are saying completely, I havet a thought. If someone has a concern about OP that doesn't directly relate to question asked, how about a nicely worded pm...

something like: I saw your website/thread/whatever, and would like to offer my help with any questions you may have. I have been breeding for 27 years and have had many hard lessons along the way. One of these is that...

okay you get the idea.

We've all been guilty of speaking up about something we're passionate about. But if we come on too strongly, we just alienate those we are trying to convince...JMO (sorry, not a breeder and wasnt going to post, but I think this concept can apply throughout yorkietalk)

[drawlins27]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

While I understand what you are saying completely, I havet a thought. If someone has a concern about OP that doesn't directly relate to question asked, how about a nicely worded pm...

something like: I saw your website/thread/whatever, and would like to offer my help with any questions you may have. I have been breeding for 27 years and have had many hard lessons along the way. One of these is that...

okay you get the idea.

We've all been guilty of speaking up about something we're passionate about. But if we come on too strongly, we just alienate those we are trying to convince...JMO (sorry, not a breeder and wasnt going to post, but I think this concept can apply throughout yorkietalk)

I can agree with that!

[Gazou]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

While I understand what you are saying completely, I havet a thought. If someone has a concern about OP that doesn't directly relate to question asked, how about a nicely worded pm...

something like: I saw your website/thread/whatever, and would like to offer my help with any questions you may have. I have been breeding for 27 years and have had many hard lessons along the way. One of these is that...

okay you get the idea.

We've all been guilty of speaking up about something we're passionate about. But if we come on too strongly, we just alienate those we are trying to convince...JMO (sorry, not a breeder and wasnt going to post, but I think this concept can apply throughout yorkietalk)

[Ladyhawk]

I totally agree it gets awfully harsh out there. You can disagree in a nice way. If you have a concern that is not a part of the original post maybe the best way to address it is a pm. Many a misconception can be worked out that way. No two people are going to see things the same way and we don't know all the circumstances in someones situation. We seem to judge first and maybe ask questions later. Sometimes it feels like there's a lynch mob forming and if anyone trys to call for calmer action they get bashed. I think I'm about ready to just be a reader because I still have so much to learn and just stop posting. I wanted to maybe help someone with the limited knowledge that I have acquired through the years but it's so risky. I'm just not sure that the stress is worth it. People should be able to get info without worrying about their grammar or personnal decisions that they have made on behalf of their dogs or their families. Half the posts in the breeders section don't even belong here and there does seem to be alot of strife. I hope this thread will help to improve that.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

While I understand what you are saying completely, I havet a thought. If someone has a concern about OP that doesn't directly relate to question asked, how about a nicely worded pm...

something like: I saw your website/thread/whatever, and would like to offer my help with any questions you may have. I have been breeding for 27 years and have had many hard lessons along the way. One of these is that...

okay you get the idea.

We've all been guilty of speaking up about something we're passionate about. But if we come on too strongly, we just alienate those we are trying to convince...JMO (sorry, not a breeder and wasnt going to post, but I think this concept can apply throughout yorkietalk)

I think this is a great ideal and would really help with keeping the threads on topic. I know if we all work together we can improve this and answer peoples questions other then this that and the other. A private pm would be best. That way people wont have to read through the whole thread looking for the answer.

Some members say the search button is a lot of help. and I agree on most of that. But for example. If one thread is asking a question on why is my dog limping? and then you do search on limping wondering if anyone else is having this same problem with their dog. and you get a list of threads on it, but every other one is about limping or started out that way but ended up with why do you do this or why do you do that. But your web site says ....... then how is that person finding their answers. If we keep with the questions at hand then maybe we will be better at finding are answers. because They have to read through 50 or more post that had nothing to even do with limping. KWIM?

But I know there are a lot of wonderful people here that love YT, so why not work together and improve these threads. I know we can do it.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

I totally agree it gets awfully harsh out there. You can disagree in a nice way. If you have a concern that is not a part of the original post maybe the best way to address it is a pm. Many a misconception can be worked out that way. No two people are going to see things the same way and we don't know all the circumstances in someones situation. We seem to judge first and maybe ask questions later. Sometimes it feels like there's a lynch mob forming and if anyone trys to call for calmer action they get bashed. I think I'm about ready to just be a reader because I still have so much to learn and just stop posting. I wanted to maybe help someone with the limited knowledge that I have acquired through the years but it's so risky. I'm just not sure that the stress is worth it. People should be able to get info without worrying about their grammar or personnal decisions that they have made on behalf of their dogs or their families. Half the posts in the breeders section don't even belong here and there does seem to be alot of strife. I hope this thread will help to improve that.

Your right not everyones going to agree on every thing we all have are own opions on things. but there is a better way . If we all work on it, we can make it better.
I hope you dont stop posting, I know some threads bring on a lot of stress. But we can all improve that. and I hope you keep posting and share your knowledge with all of us.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by drawlins27

I see the problem with some threads getting out of hand and rude degrading comments being made. But, I don't see a problem with someone asking a poster about thir breeding practices as long as it is not made as a rude comment. As far as not sticking to the question from spoiledrottenpo, some people took at look at her website and had some legitimate concerns. How could anyone see that she breeds an 8 yr old 3 lb something female and not express their concern? I agree that some of the posts did become rude but I don't have a problem with people simply asking the question.

But shouldnt the thread stay on topic? I see a lot of members posting a thread and theres things I dont agree about them, but to point it out in their thread when it has nothing to do with the question, it seems that is what causeing some of these threads to go bad. I dont agree with someone breeding their 3 lb female either. but if thats not the question that the OP asked then why bring the 3lb dog up in that thread? I mean maybe start another thread asking about 3 lb females being breed or PM them and tell them in a nice way what you feel is wrong with that. cause once one person posts about that, the thread and the orignal question is lost and everyone starts the bashing. and then we never see the answers to the questions.

[POOH & DESTINY]

...Thank you I was once attacked in this very section and would like to say thanks for the thread...

[red98vett]

After reading these posts...I thought I'd add something. I don't agree with attacking anyone ...there's ways to be tactful when we post even if it's to say something honest. I don't see how starting a new thread about something that we see wrong is going to ever help because what's the difference in posting in the original vs a new one ??

with regards to certain red flags regarding breeding practices.... When the day comes that no one speaks out for those poor tiny girls who are far too small or old to be bred, then there is no point of even reading anymore. Someone has to speak for them, or those that don't know any better will think it's ok to do this kind of thing.

I think if it's worded well, people can offer help and advise and in some cases maybe someone will actually listen to them... but the sad reality is - people are going to do exactly what they want to do whether it be wrong or not. If no one ever says a word - how will the next person know what constitutes good vs bad breeding practices ???

I agree no one should be rude but I also think people will start keeping their feelings to themselves for fear of being attacked and that may not be good for the yorkies in the bigger picture.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by red98vett

with regards to certain red flags regarding breeding practices.... When the day comes that no one speaks out for those poor tiny girls who are far too small or old to be bred, then there is no point of even reading anymore. Someone has to speak for them, or those that don't know any better will think it's ok to do this kind of thing.

I think if it's worded well, people can offer help and advise and in some cases maybe someone will actually listen to them... but the sad reality is - people are going to do exactly what they want to do whether it be wrong or not. If no one ever says a word - how will the next person know what constitutes good vs bad breeding practices ???

I agree no one should be rude but I also think people will start keeping their feelings to themselves for fear of being attacked and that may not be good for the yorkies in the bigger picture.

Absolutely Vee!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by red98vett

After reading these posts...I thought I'd add something. I don't agree with attacking anyone ...there's ways to be tactful when we post even if it's to say something honest. I don't see how starting a new thread about something that we see wrong is going to ever help because what's the difference in posting in the original vs a new one ??

with regards to certain red flags regarding breeding practices.... When the day comes that no one speaks out for those poor tiny girls who are far too small or old to be bred, then there is no point of even reading anymore. Someone has to speak for them, or those that don't know any better will think it's ok to do this kind of thing.

I think if it's worded well, people can offer help and advise and in some cases maybe someone will actually listen to them... but the sad reality is - people are going to do exactly what they want to do whether it be wrong or not. If no one ever says a word - how will the next person know what constitutes good vs bad breeding practices ???

I agree no one should be rude but I also think people will start keeping their feelings to themselves for fear of being attacked and that may not be good for the yorkies in the bigger picture.

Very good post. But, may I add one thing. What consitutes rude to someone, maybe as simple as writing "I advise against that, because....."
I've seen over and over again, people getting upset, just because they didn't hear what they wanted to hear. So, because of how everyone views and interpets things differently, there will always be controversy.

[natalienicole]

maybe we should have a post that stays at the top that says things like that. Maybe like rules to responisble breeding. with such things as breeders here on yorkie talk beleive in breeding females of no less than 5 lbs, there is no such thing as a tea cup etc. and all those other answers to questions people keep asking which keeps starting this same discussion over and over again. Maybe if we just took care of the answers to those questions right away in a post that said read before posting here section. People would only have to read to see waht the opinions are and moral rights are to the dogs that they are wanting to breed. I mean all the breeders who reply to questions like this seem to have the same answers. and i can see how they would get mad about such questions that keep repeating and they have to defend other peoples dogs to answer. I dont not though beleive that they should bite peoples head off or such when a question is answered. Im a firm beleive that you tell them no and start yelling at them they will just go do it anyway. instead people should take a nicer appraoch and teach them and answer the questions and people might listen more. and in the long run i think that is what they want and what is usually best.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by natalienicole

maybe we should have a post that stays at the top that says things like that. Maybe like rules to responisble breeding. with such things as breeders here on yorkie talk beleive in breeding females of no less than 5 lbs, there is no such thing as a tea cup etc. and all those other answers to questions people keep asking which keeps starting this same discussion over and over again. Maybe if we just took care of the answers to those questions right away in a post that said read before posting here section. People would only have to read to see waht the opinions are and moral rights are to the dogs that they are wanting to breed. I mean all the breeders who reply to questions like this seem to have the same answers. and i can see how they would get mad about such questions that keep repeating and they have to defend other peoples dogs to answer. I dont not though beleive that they should bite peoples head off or such when a question is answered. Im a firm beleive that you tell them no and start yelling at them they will just go do it anyway. instead people should take a nicer appraoch and teach them and answer the questions and people might listen more. and in the long run i think that is what they want and what is usually best.

there is already a sticky somewhere about the "no teacups". i think it might be on the for sale forum. not sure tho. and, as far as the five pound thing goes, there are several breeders on here , and good ones too, that breed under that. they are very experienced breeders tho and know enough not to breed a three pound girl. i bred a four and a half pound girl and then a five pound girl. they are built the same, both free whelpers both had five puppies with no problems and that half pound didn't make one bit of difference. the main thing is to know your girl.

[natalienicole]

Im not saying i disagree im just trying to solve a problem. Guess its not gonna work. I just understand people are sick of arguing and i think its rightfully so.