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Sugar's Mom 04-19-2007 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1074856)
Yourkiedaze, I will disagree with you on one point. The price of show/breeder'd dogs, in most cases are considerably less.
if you can get one to sell a pup.

CO_yorkie_momma 04-19-2007 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1074943)
You have every right to be leary and feeling like you do.....And you are right, about your assessment of just buying from a show breeder. It's not as simple as that....it goes a big step further.....finding a breeder that has been around for a while or at least one that has lines from a breeder that has been around for awhile. One that has a good track record, one you can get references from. Homework and research is one of your greatest weapons when looking for that yorkie.

Mary
Good advice!!!!!!!An sorry for hijacking the origional thread. I will be quiet now and hope the origional poster finds her new baby soon.

Mardelin 04-19-2007 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1074945)
if you can get one to sell a pup.
Well I will say I won't place on open registration, so in that aspect, yeah, my dogs aren't obtainable.


But, getting a companion yorkie from me is not that difficult. And not that difficult from the show breeders I know. Yes, potential families must be prescreened, just to insure that my puppies are going to the best possible homes.

doortego 04-19-2007 05:22 PM
Don't mean to be grumpy but
 
I wish those of you that are aware of things would just tell us. You don't have to defame anyone just a simple "I wasn't happy with my dealings with XYZYorkies" would let us know you aren't recommending that breeder. It really isn't a lot of help to know there are unreliable show breeders if we don't know who they are. :( Also, if there are some you are happy with, that would also be nice to know. It doesn't really help the rest of us if you pm one member with the name of one of the best in the country that lives here in TX.:confused: I'd like to know who they are too. I don't think I'm in the market right now but it would sure be nice to know whose dogs to keep my eye on "just in case".:)

Mardelin 04-19-2007 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 1074953)
Good advice!!!!!!!An sorry for hijacking the origional thread. I will be quiet now and hope the origional poster finds her new baby soon.

You aren't hijacking the thread, just providing education, based on what happened to you.....which is wonderful, it helps others.

Nena2007 04-19-2007 05:24 PM
Oh its ok :) I have enjoyed reading everyones responses. I just need to find a good breeder for my baby :)

Mardelin 04-19-2007 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by doortego (Post 1074961)
I wish those of you that are aware of things would just tell us. You don't have to defame anyone just a simple "I wasn't happy with my dealings with XYZYorkies" would let us know you aren't recommending that breeder. It really isn't a lot of help to know there are unreliable show breeders if we don't know who they are. :( Also, if there are some you are happy with, that would also be nice to know. It doesn't really help the rest of us if you pm one member with the name of one of the best in the country that lives here in TX.:confused: I'd like to know who they are too. I don't think I'm in the market right now but it would sure be nice to know whose dogs to keep my eye on "just in case".:)
There is a reason I don't publicaly list a breeders name on here.....Most don't advertise, and prefer to to see their names listed on open Forums.

Mardelin 04-19-2007 05:34 PM
I meant prefer not to see their kennel or their names on Open Forums

Ladyhawk 04-19-2007 05:51 PM
I agree with Mary. You have to be so careful about mentioning names on a public forum. Sometimes things aren't what they seem or are not quite resolved yet. A reputation is a priceless thing and should not be bandied about wrecklessly. I think the lesson that Barb and I would both stress through our experience is to always get a written contract no matter whether you are purchasing from a show breeder or hobby breeder. The spoken word sounds nice to the ear at the moment but the written word will let you sleep at night.

Mardelin 04-19-2007 06:00 PM
Tammy, I do understand that so many of us are in a hurry to get started and can be swayed by someone talking the talk, but don't walk the walk.......all we want is that baby in the ring or that baby to take home. Some breeders are counting on the fact that you've fallen in love and aren't really listening. Sad, but true....especially with these yorkies that so readily work into our hearts.

And let me add contracts are great, but they are only as good as the 2 that are signing it......trust your breeder, build a bond. Remember when you've found a breeder you aren't just buying a dog you're buying a relationship.

shyorkies 04-19-2007 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1075013)
I agree with Mary. You have to be so careful about mentioning names on a public forum. Sometimes things aren't what they seem or are not quite resolved yet. A reputation is a priceless thing and should not be bandied about wrecklessly. I think the lesson that Barb and I would both stress through our experience is to always get a written contract no matter whether you are purchasing from a show breeder or hobby breeder. The spoken word sounds nice to the ear at the moment but the written word will let you sleep at night.
A contract is only as good as the people signing it! My first show female came from a show breeder.. The female came to me with a c-section scar and two grade 3 luxating patellas! Needless to say when I placed my signature on the contract I did it knowing I would follow it to the T.. To bad the show breeder did not have the same intentions! I learnt very early in this show world to kept my mouth shut.. What amazed me more than anything else was the other show breeders who stood up for her.. To top it off I have to look at her name in the YT magazine to often, lol! Glad my hard earned money could pay for the handler to show her dog to it's championship!

I would also like to add just because a dog is registered with AKC does not mean it meets the YTCA standard..

shyorkies 04-19-2007 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1075024)
Tammy, I do understand that so many of us are in a hurry to get started and can be swayed by someone talking the talk, but don't walk the walk.......all we want is that baby in the ring or that baby to take home. Some breeders are counting on the fact that you've fallen in love and aren't really listening. Sad, but true....especially with these yorkies that so readily work into our hearts.

And let me add contracts are great, but they are only as good as the 2 that are signing it......trust your breeder, build a bond. Remember when you've found a breeder you aren't just buying a dog you're buying a relationship.
:thumbup:

Ladyhawk 04-20-2007 03:01 AM
The nice thing about getting everything in writing is that if it becomes necessary one can go to court to enforce the contract. Without that peice of paper it's just hearsay and very hard to enforce. With some people integrity seems to come and go and the internet has made everyone more vulnerable. It's so very convenient to purchase a dog on line and have it shipped to you, especially if you live somewhere that is rather isolated. It also makes it easier to be taken. When buying a dog sight unseen you must beware. You are right in that AKC registration only says that the evidence indicates that the dog is purebred. It does not indicate that it even looks like the breed that it is supposed to be or is healthy or of good temperment. The breeder that you purchase your dog from should be considered your breeder for that dogs life but not everyone does business that way.

Mardelin 04-20-2007 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1075237)
The nice thing about getting everything in writing is that if it becomes necessary one can go to court to enforce the contract. Without that peice of paper it's just hearsay and very hard to enforce. With some people integrity seems to come and go and the internet has made everyone more vulnerable. It's so very convenient to purchase a dog on line and have it shipped to you, especially if you live somewhere that is rather isolated. It also makes it easier to be taken. When buying a dog sight unseen you must beware. You are right in that AKC registration only says that the evidence indicates that the dog is purebred. It does not indicate that it even looks like the breed that it is supposed to be or is healthy or of good temperment. The breeder that you purchase your dog from should be considered your breeder for that dogs life but not everyone does business that way.
You are right, the internet has brought with it both a wonderful tool and the world closer. However, it has also brought in scammers, and other disreputable people. You're right it has made it easier to purchase a puppy. While some have been very lucky with their yorkies, more often than not, it does not result in happy endings.

The word Integrity is bantered around so much......but, Integrity, Etics and Honesty is not something that can be taught. You either have it or you don't.

CO_yorkie_momma 04-20-2007 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1075237)
The nice thing about getting everything in writing is that if it becomes necessary one can go to court to enforce the contract. Without that peice of paper it's just hearsay and very hard to enforce. With some people integrity seems to come and go and the internet has made everyone more vulnerable. It's so very convenient to purchase a dog on line and have it shipped to you, especially if you live somewhere that is rather isolated. It also makes it easier to be taken. When buying a dog sight unseen you must beware. You are right in that AKC registration only says that the evidence indicates that the dog is purebred. It does not indicate that it even looks like the breed that it is supposed to be or is healthy or of good temperment. The breeder that you purchase your dog from should be considered your breeder for that dogs life but not everyone does business that way.
Yes, without the contract you have to rely on integrity and if you are dealing with someone who doesnt have any, then you are out of luck and don't have a leg to stand on. Everyone says do your research and get refrences and so on but when that person is clear across the United States it is hard to check on them and see what is really going on. It is easier said than done and you have to rely on the hope that they are being honest with you. You would like to think everyone has good morals and wouldnt deceive you but sadly to say it isnt the case. I bought these 2 yorkies before I found YT or I would have been a little wiser and had the insight that I didnt have when I purchased them. The people that come on here to ask for info before they purchase their new yorkies are doing themselves a great service by learning from others mistakes and that way they can make better choices than some of us have made.


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