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Sugar's Mom 04-19-2007 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1074856)
Yourkiedaze, I will disagree with you on one point. The price of show/breeder'd dogs, in most cases are considerably less.
if you can get one to sell a pup.

CO_yorkie_momma 04-19-2007 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1074943)
You have every right to be leary and feeling like you do.....And you are right, about your assessment of just buying from a show breeder. It's not as simple as that....it goes a big step further.....finding a breeder that has been around for a while or at least one that has lines from a breeder that has been around for awhile. One that has a good track record, one you can get references from. Homework and research is one of your greatest weapons when looking for that yorkie.

Mary
Good advice!!!!!!!An sorry for hijacking the origional thread. I will be quiet now and hope the origional poster finds her new baby soon.

Mardelin 04-19-2007 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1074945)
if you can get one to sell a pup.
Well I will say I won't place on open registration, so in that aspect, yeah, my dogs aren't obtainable.


But, getting a companion yorkie from me is not that difficult. And not that difficult from the show breeders I know. Yes, potential families must be prescreened, just to insure that my puppies are going to the best possible homes.

doortego 04-19-2007 05:22 PM
Don't mean to be grumpy but
 
I wish those of you that are aware of things would just tell us. You don't have to defame anyone just a simple "I wasn't happy with my dealings with XYZYorkies" would let us know you aren't recommending that breeder. It really isn't a lot of help to know there are unreliable show breeders if we don't know who they are. :( Also, if there are some you are happy with, that would also be nice to know. It doesn't really help the rest of us if you pm one member with the name of one of the best in the country that lives here in TX.:confused: I'd like to know who they are too. I don't think I'm in the market right now but it would sure be nice to know whose dogs to keep my eye on "just in case".:)

Mardelin 04-19-2007 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 1074953)
Good advice!!!!!!!An sorry for hijacking the origional thread. I will be quiet now and hope the origional poster finds her new baby soon.

You aren't hijacking the thread, just providing education, based on what happened to you.....which is wonderful, it helps others.

Nena2007 04-19-2007 05:24 PM
Oh its ok :) I have enjoyed reading everyones responses. I just need to find a good breeder for my baby :)

Mardelin 04-19-2007 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by doortego (Post 1074961)
I wish those of you that are aware of things would just tell us. You don't have to defame anyone just a simple "I wasn't happy with my dealings with XYZYorkies" would let us know you aren't recommending that breeder. It really isn't a lot of help to know there are unreliable show breeders if we don't know who they are. :( Also, if there are some you are happy with, that would also be nice to know. It doesn't really help the rest of us if you pm one member with the name of one of the best in the country that lives here in TX.:confused: I'd like to know who they are too. I don't think I'm in the market right now but it would sure be nice to know whose dogs to keep my eye on "just in case".:)
There is a reason I don't publicaly list a breeders name on here.....Most don't advertise, and prefer to to see their names listed on open Forums.

Mardelin 04-19-2007 05:34 PM
I meant prefer not to see their kennel or their names on Open Forums

Ladyhawk 04-19-2007 05:51 PM
I agree with Mary. You have to be so careful about mentioning names on a public forum. Sometimes things aren't what they seem or are not quite resolved yet. A reputation is a priceless thing and should not be bandied about wrecklessly. I think the lesson that Barb and I would both stress through our experience is to always get a written contract no matter whether you are purchasing from a show breeder or hobby breeder. The spoken word sounds nice to the ear at the moment but the written word will let you sleep at night.

Mardelin 04-19-2007 06:00 PM
Tammy, I do understand that so many of us are in a hurry to get started and can be swayed by someone talking the talk, but don't walk the walk.......all we want is that baby in the ring or that baby to take home. Some breeders are counting on the fact that you've fallen in love and aren't really listening. Sad, but true....especially with these yorkies that so readily work into our hearts.

And let me add contracts are great, but they are only as good as the 2 that are signing it......trust your breeder, build a bond. Remember when you've found a breeder you aren't just buying a dog you're buying a relationship.

shyorkies 04-19-2007 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1075013)
I agree with Mary. You have to be so careful about mentioning names on a public forum. Sometimes things aren't what they seem or are not quite resolved yet. A reputation is a priceless thing and should not be bandied about wrecklessly. I think the lesson that Barb and I would both stress through our experience is to always get a written contract no matter whether you are purchasing from a show breeder or hobby breeder. The spoken word sounds nice to the ear at the moment but the written word will let you sleep at night.
A contract is only as good as the people signing it! My first show female came from a show breeder.. The female came to me with a c-section scar and two grade 3 luxating patellas! Needless to say when I placed my signature on the contract I did it knowing I would follow it to the T.. To bad the show breeder did not have the same intentions! I learnt very early in this show world to kept my mouth shut.. What amazed me more than anything else was the other show breeders who stood up for her.. To top it off I have to look at her name in the YT magazine to often, lol! Glad my hard earned money could pay for the handler to show her dog to it's championship!

I would also like to add just because a dog is registered with AKC does not mean it meets the YTCA standard..

shyorkies 04-19-2007 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1075024)
Tammy, I do understand that so many of us are in a hurry to get started and can be swayed by someone talking the talk, but don't walk the walk.......all we want is that baby in the ring or that baby to take home. Some breeders are counting on the fact that you've fallen in love and aren't really listening. Sad, but true....especially with these yorkies that so readily work into our hearts.

And let me add contracts are great, but they are only as good as the 2 that are signing it......trust your breeder, build a bond. Remember when you've found a breeder you aren't just buying a dog you're buying a relationship.
:thumbup:

Ladyhawk 04-20-2007 03:01 AM
The nice thing about getting everything in writing is that if it becomes necessary one can go to court to enforce the contract. Without that peice of paper it's just hearsay and very hard to enforce. With some people integrity seems to come and go and the internet has made everyone more vulnerable. It's so very convenient to purchase a dog on line and have it shipped to you, especially if you live somewhere that is rather isolated. It also makes it easier to be taken. When buying a dog sight unseen you must beware. You are right in that AKC registration only says that the evidence indicates that the dog is purebred. It does not indicate that it even looks like the breed that it is supposed to be or is healthy or of good temperment. The breeder that you purchase your dog from should be considered your breeder for that dogs life but not everyone does business that way.

Mardelin 04-20-2007 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1075237)
The nice thing about getting everything in writing is that if it becomes necessary one can go to court to enforce the contract. Without that peice of paper it's just hearsay and very hard to enforce. With some people integrity seems to come and go and the internet has made everyone more vulnerable. It's so very convenient to purchase a dog on line and have it shipped to you, especially if you live somewhere that is rather isolated. It also makes it easier to be taken. When buying a dog sight unseen you must beware. You are right in that AKC registration only says that the evidence indicates that the dog is purebred. It does not indicate that it even looks like the breed that it is supposed to be or is healthy or of good temperment. The breeder that you purchase your dog from should be considered your breeder for that dogs life but not everyone does business that way.
You are right, the internet has brought with it both a wonderful tool and the world closer. However, it has also brought in scammers, and other disreputable people. You're right it has made it easier to purchase a puppy. While some have been very lucky with their yorkies, more often than not, it does not result in happy endings.

The word Integrity is bantered around so much......but, Integrity, Etics and Honesty is not something that can be taught. You either have it or you don't.

CO_yorkie_momma 04-20-2007 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1075237)
The nice thing about getting everything in writing is that if it becomes necessary one can go to court to enforce the contract. Without that peice of paper it's just hearsay and very hard to enforce. With some people integrity seems to come and go and the internet has made everyone more vulnerable. It's so very convenient to purchase a dog on line and have it shipped to you, especially if you live somewhere that is rather isolated. It also makes it easier to be taken. When buying a dog sight unseen you must beware. You are right in that AKC registration only says that the evidence indicates that the dog is purebred. It does not indicate that it even looks like the breed that it is supposed to be or is healthy or of good temperment. The breeder that you purchase your dog from should be considered your breeder for that dogs life but not everyone does business that way.
Yes, without the contract you have to rely on integrity and if you are dealing with someone who doesnt have any, then you are out of luck and don't have a leg to stand on. Everyone says do your research and get refrences and so on but when that person is clear across the United States it is hard to check on them and see what is really going on. It is easier said than done and you have to rely on the hope that they are being honest with you. You would like to think everyone has good morals and wouldnt deceive you but sadly to say it isnt the case. I bought these 2 yorkies before I found YT or I would have been a little wiser and had the insight that I didnt have when I purchased them. The people that come on here to ask for info before they purchase their new yorkies are doing themselves a great service by learning from others mistakes and that way they can make better choices than some of us have made.

jlo&brit 04-20-2007 07:33 AM
Ok..... I have a boxer that came from registered parents but I did not
register him. I had no plans to breed him therefore it wasnt necessary. However he has had some pups and they were just as healthy as they would have been had they had been able to be registered. Great purebred boxers.
IMO... if you are happy with the breeder and everything meets your standards then I think you should go for it....JMO
Good luck,
Jennifer

Ladyhawk 04-20-2007 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 1075533)
Yes, without the contract you have to rely on integrity and if you are dealing with someone who doesnt have any, then you are out of luck and don't have a leg to stand on. Everyone says do your research and get refrences and so on but when that person is clear across the United States it is hard to check on them and see what is really going on. It is easier said than done and you have to rely on the hope that they are being honest with you. You would like to think everyone has good morals and wouldnt deceive you but sadly to say it isnt the case. I bought these 2 yorkies before I found YT or I would have been a little wiser and had the insight that I didnt have when I purchased them. The people that come on here to ask for info before they purchase their new yorkies are doing themselves a great service by learning from others mistakes and that way they can make better choices than some of us have made.
The only thing I can think of to encourage you Barb is that since you got Trace at a good pet price, you should be able to sell him without an immense loss. The surgery cost me $500. and they recover from it beautifully. I know that doesn't help with the dissapointment over the outcome with the breeder or the loss of the dreams that you had for Trace. I just wanted you to know that there can still be a happy ending, I found Cricket a very happy home and learned a valuable lesson.

CO_yorkie_momma 04-20-2007 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1075812)
The only thing I can think of to encourage you Barb is that since you got Trace at a good pet price, you should be able to sell him without an immense loss. The surgery cost me $500. and they recover from it beautifully. I know that doesn't help with the dissapointment over the outcome with the breeder or the loss of the dreams that you had for Trace. I just wanted you to know that there can still be a happy ending, I found Cricket a very happy home and learned a valuable lesson.
I know. The surgery will be about 800.00 here and that is if we just operate on the Legg Perthes. His knees are so bad that they may need to be operatd on too and of course the surgery to fix him. I havent decided whether I can bear to place him though. I know he will still make a great pet because he is such a sweetheart. I did have hopes for some very nice dogs out of him because he is a beauty. I hope Cricket is doing great at her new home.

KiyouLilliemom 04-20-2007 04:38 PM
both my yorkies dont have papers, and I really dont care, I dont love them any less! I say if you truly want a yorkie and this yorkie is going to be part of your loving family, more than just your DOG than as long as you see the parents and where the yorkie lives, had all the shots that they need before they go home, and was no less than the 12 weeks I say its o.k. But thats what I feel, you love your furbabies no what they have or dont have. :) Remember they show you love no matter what kind of day your having, the love is always in their eyes!:aimeeyork

CO_yorkie_momma 04-20-2007 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jlo&brit (Post 1075581)
Ok..... I have a boxer that came from registered parents but I did not
register him. I had no plans to breed him therefore it wasnt necessary. However he has had some pups and they were just as healthy as they would have been had they had been able to be registered. Great purebred boxers.
IMO... if you are happy with the breeder and everything meets your standards then I think you should go for it....JMO
Good luck,
Jennifer
I tend to agree with you that if you are just wanting a pet and dont care if it has papers and the breeder is reputable and the price it right, then I wouldnt necessarily run the other way just because it doesnt have papers. I would ask to see why it isnt papered and base your decision on what they say.

Nena2007 04-23-2007 06:49 AM
Ok, I got a reply from the breeder telling me why it isn't papered. Apparently she was called to rescue this pup that was wandering the streets and got hit by a car. She took her in as her own. Any more thoughts??? :)

autumn star 04-23-2007 06:52 AM
:aimeeyork I would first question why she just was not up front w/this information. If I was you I would just hold out and wait it is not worth the risk of what it would cost you. I found a reputable breeder by calling a bunch of local vets and dog groomers and asking if they knew of any. A lot of them did. Good luck w/what ever you decide.

CO_yorkie_momma 04-23-2007 06:56 AM
My thoughts are how much risk do you want to take buying a puppy that you dont know what the background on the parents is. If you are getting it for a steal then maybe I would think about it, but if she is charging the same as a good puppy that you know comes from good breeding stock, then I think I would pass if it were me. There are just too many things that can go wrong with a yorkie.

Amazing Yorkies 04-23-2007 09:12 AM
Rescue?
 
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Originally Posted by Nena2007 (Post 1080628)
Ok, I got a reply from the breeder telling me why it isn't papered. Apparently she was called to rescue this pup that was wandering the streets and got hit by a car. She took her in as her own. Any more thoughts??? :)
Ok, I had to post to this one.. I couldn't hold back. Who in their right mind would breed a rescue? 1st of all, you wouldn't know if it was purebred Yorkie, or just looked like a Yorkie. 2nd of all, you wouldn't sell puppies for the price of a purebred. 3rd, She was hit by a car! Things like this would give me an idea of this breeder's scruples. IMO.. Run!

Ladyhawk 04-23-2007 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies (Post 1080964)
Ok, I had to post to this one.. I couldn't hold back. Who in their right mind would breed a rescue? 1st of all, you wouldn't know if it was purebred Yorkie, or just looked like a Yorkie. 2nd of all, you wouldn't sell puppies for the price of a purebred. 3rd, She was hit by a car! Things like this would give me an idea of this breeder's scruples. IMO.. Run!
I have to agree. Rescues should never be bred, you have no idea as to their parentage or their genetic health. This dog could pass any number of faults to her offspring, sho knows? And to advertise them as yorkies and sell them at full price? I sense a money making thing going on here. Poor pup already had been homeless and hit by a car, who would put it through the stress of having puppys as well? I'd pass!

txshopper73 04-23-2007 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies (Post 1080964)
Ok, I had to post to this one.. I couldn't hold back. Who in their right mind would breed a rescue? 1st of all, you wouldn't know if it was purebred Yorkie, or just looked like a Yorkie. 2nd of all, you wouldn't sell puppies for the price of a purebred. 3rd, She was hit by a car! Things like this would give me an idea of this breeder's scruples. IMO.. Run!
I agree 100%!!!!!

Nena2007 04-23-2007 11:34 AM
Yeah.... I think I am going to run :) LOL In her defense, they aren't full price, but still. Because of this thread I have been given many good breeders information that I look forward to talking to! Thanks everyone for all of your input!

Amazing Yorkies 04-23-2007 12:30 PM
Good Luck!
 
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Originally Posted by Nena2007 (Post 1081235)
Yeah.... I think I am going to run :) LOL In her defense, they aren't full price, but still. Because of this thread I have been given many good breeders information that I look forward to talking to! Thanks everyone for all of your input!
Wise move I am sure! There are too many nice quality AKC babies out there with reasonable prices to take any chances with this one! Good luck finding your baby!

cutiepieyorkies 04-23-2007 12:56 PM
oh i agree 100% run run run
a rescue should be spayed or nuerted and given the best possible life
this dog may not be pure bred and what kind of person would breed this little furbaby after being hit by a car the ___________ of some people amaze me geeeeeeeeeeze


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