Question About Registration Papers And Breeding
 

I am a future breeder and I do not want to sell my puppies with full registration. I would love to have each puppy spayed/neutered before leaving me, but I know that is not possible. I plan to sell my puppies with limited registration and have the buyer sign a contract stating that they will not receive the forms until they have proven that they have had their puppy spayed/neutered. Does this work...will it keep people from buying my puppies for breeding purposes (at least hinder)?

Thank you!
Tammy

it all depends on how honest they buyers are...there are some that might run a puppymill that will promises this and that only to find out they are breeding them...and maybe registering the puppies under another litter...

good luck with that...

You can put in your contract that they have to provide proof of spay/neuter by XXX age or surrender the dog back to you...I don't know how effective that will be for you, but it is what I did with our litters and worked. By the time the pups went home though...I had met and talked with the owners many times and felt like I 'knew' them...some of them I did know already.

Very true!
they buy your pups telling you everything you want to hear:mad:
Then they turn around and register them with another register and breed them. That is how sometimes you get these nice looking baby's that are not registered with akc.

How would this work...are you truly able to take a puppy back form someone??

Thanks,
Tammy

yes, you can if they sign such a contract. the problem is finding out about it. once the puppy is gone from you, there is very little contact with the buyer even tho we are here for them all the puppy's life.

Yes, you can. My stipulation is by 8 months, I have to have verification from their vet that the dog has been s/n. I have found that asking them for a vet reference and actually calling their vet has been a wise move. If they have been with their vet for a considerable amount of time, he/she can give you heads up as to how responsible a pet owner this is. It has worked for me so far, but I don't have tons of litters under my belt, sooo...
Something else I considered was incorporating a 'must be s/n by xxxx age' and then I would reimburse the $$$ for the surgery. (Charging that much more upfront, obviously.) Or just give back a flat amount with the verification.

Like Sugar's Mom mentioned though, you have to make sure you can keep contact with them.

I understand your idea of not getting the papers until they've been altered, but like someone mentioned, they can always try to get them registered with another registry and breed anyway. Plus, I personally just don't trust people, so if I don't see and get papers then, I probably going to be very wary.

Ok I have a question. dont take offense to this please. I was wandering why you would limit their registration? I mean is it so you can charge more for full registration? or is it cuz you dont want competition? i understand not wanting to sell your puppies to a puppy mill or w/e but is it really fair to limit someone from what they are paying their money for? I mean i guess if you agree to it before the buyer doesnt mind i was just wandering why you would want to.

It is not for either of the reaons that you asked! I will not get more more money for full registration because I am only giving limited registration...this is why I said that I would love to have them spayed/neutered before leaving my home. My reasoning is also not because I do not want competition. Quite honestly, I do not even look at breeding in this manner. I am going to be doing this because it is my dream, not to compete with other breeders. ??? You seem to be a tad skeptic. I care so very much about my current dogs and I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that I will love each puppy that enters into our lives. I will have a hard time giving them up. I will want to know that they are going to a loving home this is why I do not want them to end up in the hands of a puppy-miller.

Tammy

that didnt really answer my question, if not for those reasons then why? i think its hypecritical to say is because you love your dogs and want them to go to a good home when you obviously breed your own dogs and im sure you love them as well. so no one else is capable? im not trying to make anyone mad i just want to know. i am skeptical i cant help it.

Also, when you said, "is it really fair to limit someone from what they are paying their money for?"....I am not understanding what you are referring to. What they are paying for is a healthy puppy, no strings there.....

Tammy

Then buy from someone that is raising their dogs to be bred, I am not. Like I said, it is my dream to raise Yorkies. Just because it is my personal dream to raise them, should I give full registration to everyone?! I am not really sure why you have decided that I should be giving every single buyer rights to breed my dogs! If a person wants to buy a breeding dog, then they know upfront, that I am not that person....plain and simple.

there paying for a dog that after they buy you want them to then alter. I do not think its right to alter a dog if it is not necisary. I have never fixed any of my dogs if they came fixed theres nothing i can do but i think it messes with them and its makes their personalitlies change. i think that cruel to ask people to buy a dog and then change it. if i buy something i dont want someone else telling me what to do with it. it like selling someone a car and then telling them to go paint it black after they have bought it. like here got a white car for sell sign here and say youll paint it black after you buy it tho.

Then do not buy from someone that wants you to have a spay/neuter contract.

I still want to know why someone would do that though that is my original question. I do not undertand if its not so you wont have competition, and its not cuz you would make more money for full registration, then why? i dont see how you can say its cuz you love them when your doing it to your own dogs as well but you dont want anyone else to breed their boughten dogs. im so confused. :confused: i just want to know why you think its ok for you but not someone else.

Oh my...you honestly think that just anyone should be able to breed a dog! You said, "i just want to know why you think its ok for you but not someone else". Do you have any idea how much research goes into breeding?! A person should not breed just because they have 2 dogs that have full registration. I have read, researched and talked personally with breeders and researched and read some more!! I never said that it is not okay for other people to breed...just not going to sell mine for breeding.

I have considered only giving limited registration on some of my puppies BECAUSE i felt like they might be too small to breed. people will promise you anything to get a quality dog. "oh no, they will say, I am not going to breed and put her thru that". next thing you know, they are on here advertising babies for sale. Smaller bitches and smaller males, I might add, should not be breed unless you want to kill them. if a person really cares about their smaller dogs, this is the only way they will sell them unless they know the buyer really well and wholeheartedly trust them. I have sold one to a person like that with the stipulation she breeds her IF she gets large enough. I trust this person one hundred percent to do the right thing. turns out, her baby will be large enough to breed so no worries. i have a girl right now that weighs about three and a half pounds. She is going to be spayed and sold locally. i don't trust most people here in my state not to breed her because it is about the almighty dollar that small dogs bring here. i hope this helped a little bit. Also, I agree if someone does not want to buy a limited registration dog, then my goodness, they are most welcome to look elsewhere. Chances are, I wouldn't sell one of my precious babies to them anyway with an attitude like that.

and all im asking is why? do you not think others cant research as well? and no i do not think that just because you have 2 dogs you should breed them. i just want to know why some breeders would use limited registration, theres got to be a reason for it and you have not given me one.

thank you for atleast an answer. I full understand the smaller dog thing. that would be life threatening for the puppies. Im not trying to offend anyone i just wanted to know why some breeders use it and you gave me your answer i appreciate that thanks.

you have to understand, with full reg you are purchasing their breeding line AS WELL as their dog. for most breeders, it takes years to get their line perfected and to just let someone else change that?????? i dont think so. breeders work very hard, takes years and money to accomplish this. this should be RESPECTED not LOOKED DOWN UPON. so if you want full reg, you need to purchase the breeding line as well.
IT IS NOT HYPERCRITICAL AT ALL TO HAVE THE DOGS ALTERED.
i don't mean to sound ugly but you really need to learn more about breeding and breeding to the standard, pedigrees, etc....
again, i am not being ugly but it sounds like you have much to learn. lots of people come to this site to learn but you should never JUDGE anyone for their trying to protect what they have worked on for so many years

OHHH and another thing, reputable breeders should NEVER be question regarding their reg. they derserve more respect than that.

im not. i just dont understand how you can think it would come back on you and your line. you didnt breed the puppy and do it wrong if you sold it and it got bred. and im not a breeder nor have i ever been. so i do not know these things and am just wandering out of curiosity. i only have 2 dogs of differnt breeds and my male is fixed he came that way i didnt do it.

It's a good start but unfortunately, not every buyer will be an honest one. Many will just register the pup with another registry.

You may want to speak to your vet about early spay/neuter. I believe that some will do it at 12 weeks of age. That way, you can make sure that it is done before they leave your home.

all you have to do is look at the pedigree....

so the pedigree will show other peoples dogs as well even tho they arent the father or mother of your dogs?

Okay, I'll bite. I only have 1 litter a year. I do not breed every heat nor do I breed two and rest one. I breed every other.

Someone that lives here in town has bred her girl every single time since she turned a year old and not only that, but the girl has an over bite.

I request spay/neuter because the person buying my pup may not be as loving with him/her and breed them every single time...as the above mentioned person does. Just because I want spay/neuter does NOT mean that I'm being a hyprocrite. If I sell with open registration (which I charge the same for open or limited) then you better believe that it will be to a person that I trust and that I have built a relationship with and that I know will take care of the dog as I take care of mine.

The pedigree will show the parents, grand parents and great grand parents.

If they take your dog and breed it to a bad dog, and the offspring have problems, then it reflects badly on both parents.

BTW there are way more health risks with dogs that are not spay/neutered, such as breast cancer and testicular cancer. so I don't understand your reasoning behind not having it done. If it change their personality at all it would only be for the better, making them more affectionate and less likely to run or to be agressive.

TIME OUT!!! I am getting tired switching thread to talk to the same person about the same thing. This person started a new thread to discuss this:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...38#post1033438

Can we please move it over there...some of us:cool: have dial up and can't keep up!;)

I did not start this original thread to end up being a part of someone else'e thread. I simply had a question for breeders. So if more breeders have opinions/input on my original question, I would still love to hear them.

Thanks!

sorry for taking over your thread i did not know it would turn in to this. i ws only hoping for an answer.