Question about suspention list
 

Hi ~ thought this would be the best place to ask this.

I was wondering what reasons a the AKC might suspend someone. My friend is also looking for a yorkie, and when I checked the suspension list, the breeder was on there. The reason stated was something about not allowing her paperwork to be checked.

My friend has already put a deposit down, and is wondering if this automatically means they are a bad breeder. She asked the breeder about it, but wasn't really given an answer. She is in love with the little puppy and said that since she isnt going to show or breed, does it really matter if the puppy has AKC papers.

What are other breeders thoughts on this.

Several reasons for being suspended. Sounds like she breeds on a pretty large scale. Since AKC doesn't come to inspect breeders, unless the breed I think an average of 10 litters a year...what has happened here is that AKC came to inspect and asked for her records....she wouldn't allow it....something to hide maybe??????....that would be the only reason in my opinion why someone would refuse AKC to look at the papers.

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A reputable breeder will allow the AKC to inspect dogs and records under all circumstances...if they find anything amiss, AKC is very reasonable and it is corrected..sometimes records can be outdated or poorly kept..but AKC will give you time to amend it, they only suspend when the breeder refuses to comply to the simpliest of requirements IMO...

If a breeder knows this and has not been honest with their registration, couldn't they just keep two sets of books?

I guess nothing is impossible. However, I'm not sure you could do that, AKC papers are not duplicate copies and in order to keep seperate books and you'd have to duplicate (xerox) the other set.....I'm just not getting how that can be accomplished........

Well I have no idea what records one has to keep. But if they are papers from the AKC, what would you have to hide?

What I was getting at is that if you were not honest about the parents to the AKC, you might keep a separate set with the true breedings in it for your own records.

What sort of recodrs do you need to keep and what would be the reason for not letting the AKC see them. If they are papers from the AKC, then the AKC already have those records.

I'm confused too.

There are several records you keep, AKC registrations, DNA certificates, Stud Records, Whelping Records, Litter Registrations, Bill of Sales Records, Contracts, Some documents are from AKC others records should be kept by the breeder.....they want to see how accurate everything is and nothing is left to question as incorrect info on litters, puppies, etc.

Since you're a breeder, it maybe to your benefit to begin your record keeping.....you just never know when those guys will zoom down on you.

Well I have the breeding and the date recorded in a notebook. Are there a certain number of litters per year that you are allowed before you are required to keep these records?

I guess I should contact the AKC and get this information.

That is kinda what I thought. So basically if she refused to show the AKC the paperwork, then it is most likely b/c she is not keeping track of litters/Sires/Dams...ect.

I told my friend eventhough she is only looking for a pet and not a show dog, she should still make sure she is getting a well-breed puppy from someone who isn't just breeding to breed.

Probably a good idea....info is listed on the website.

No magic #, best to start as soon as possible, so it won't creep up on you.

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It is so simply..if the parents are AKC and have ID's as required, male is DNA'ed, you know the stud of the litter, record info, register the litter, record the info as to who bought the puppies..then that is all AKC wants to look at..

You could have all the info recorded on a brown paper bag and they will still work with you...just so you have all the info and are polite to them. AKC likes to help breeders. They will give you the proper recording papers to put in a notebook..show you exactly how to do everything and even give you 90 days to comply...but you better do it or get suspended the next time...

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When I started you would never get inspected unless you had 10 litters or more per year...then it went to 7...now they have amended it again...4 to 6 if I am correct...BUT when I had an inspection, I had 4 litters (in a 10 litter yr limit) and the second time I only had 3...my Maltese friend only had ONE litter that year and got an inspection the week of Christmas...AKC said they have no set number and sometimes you name comes up like an IRS audit...

If you co-own a stud or bitch and it lives with the co-owner, YOU are still considered an owner and must keep the same records..who uses the stud, puppies etc...so be careful who you co-own with, if they go down, you go down with them..there is nothing to fear, just keep decent records from day one...ID dogs and DNA studs...and if they show up, smile and offer them coffee..LOL

Absolutely, But, they could come in and just check 1 or 2 records. Make sure that all your crates have info on them for each dog. BD, DNA, Microchip, Age, AKC Registered Name and Sire & Dam. Each of my x-pens have the information for each dog on them.

I even keep information on the dogs I handle here.

So basically the AKC wants to make sure that you have kept records. Then what would be a reason for not letting the AKC look at your records?

I had planned to print out some records from the internet or to creat my own.

Under what circumstances does a breeder have to have their kennel registered with the AKC, and what all does that entail?

Registering your Kennel name is basically up to you. Not required, but nice to have. There is a minimum on the litters you have.

There is a software package I use for keeping records, "The Breeders Standard" absolutely great. It even does coefficients, helping you plan your breeding, so you aren't breeding too close. You can also purchase as an ad on a fancy shmancy pedigree producer.

thanks I'll check into that.

I found a free one that I might try.

http://www.dogbreederpro.com/dbpSoftware.asp

Under what circumstances does a breeder have to have their kennel registered with the AKC, and what all does that entail?

i recently started to register my kennel name because people are going to "try' to show some of my dogs and of course, I wanted my name on it. i ran the kennel application off the AKC site and was in the process of filling it out. Then, i got to the second page where it asks what AKC events have your dogs participated in? you were supposed to name each dog and every event. i called them and spoke with a very nice lady in the special registration dept named teresa that handles registering kennel names. i told her that I am just a hobby breeder and do not show or anything. i told her the reason i wanted to register my kennel name. the information she gave me is that unless you show, you CANNOT register your kennel name. If you do show and have five litters in a five year period, you can be registered. if you have not yet had five litters, they will grant you a provisional registration and at the end of five years check you again. if you have not had five litters by that time, you lose your kennel name registration. she suggested to me to do a 'full litter registration' instesad of just the litter registration to protect my name. that;s what I did this time. all my puppies have been named and individually registered with AKC and have their own certificate instead of the puppy application.

Thank you for that information. I guess I won't bother then. I have no intentions of showing.

but if you want the name you are using on your dogs, you can do a full litter registration like I did. i haven't found anyone that didn't want a puppy because of it. it's really simple and the form is on the AKC site.

Most show breeders don't register their Kennel names. However, when a show dog is purchased from them it is understood and agreed upon that the Breeder's Kennel Name will be used.

Most show/exhibitors, after Championing a couple of dogs with their own Kennel name, are fully recognized and become known....no one else would dare use it. The best thing when picking a Kennel name is doing a google search on that name and see if anyone else is using it..... Now how did I get off on that subject??????

Yes, but you may not find the whole litter showable....then they would go as a companion.....

Does that mean that the new owner will have to use your kennel namef as a prefix?

Yes, by doing it that way....it's risky. you may only have 1 show potential in a litter. The other way you have a little bit more control, when you let a dog go.

And as you already know, when selling a show potential it's proper protical to use the Breeders Kennel Name in Registering the dog.....As it is always proper to acknowledge the breeder, sire and dam when advertising the dog.

I think you have to have one champion also that you finished to actually register your kennel name with AKC, but I could be wrong.
And AKC can visit anyone that has had a litter registered with them -AKC at any time. You do not have to have any set numbers of litters a year. When your name comes up - it comes up. I have had guite a few members from my all breed club that have had visits from AKC and one only had had 2 litters ever. They are very nice. We also had a person from AKC that came and spoke to my all-breed club one night. She was very informative. You can ask them for a copy of their book, "A User's Guide to the AKC Rules for Record Keeping and Indentification." All their rules and regs are in there as well as forms snd templates to help you stay organized. It is about 50 pages. It was free to us.
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No rule about having Championed a dog. The applicant must be active in the sport of dogs......have bred 5 litters in 5 years and 40 in 10 ( now how's that for a wing ding #)

AKC will check their records for you too. I had them check a certain name when I got Renegade. didn't take them three minutes. They then advised me what to do.

this is true

Not only do they become familiar with your Kennel name they know your dogs pedigrees, what lines they're from, whether they are tightly Championed lined....and they can tell you everything about our dogs. Show people really study pedigrees and know them backward and forward.

Yes it does even if it is not sold as a show potential. Once the dog is registered under a certain name, AKC will not change the name no matter how many times the dog is transferred.