Reporting Myself
 

I thought that I would go ahead and report myself as a bad breeder before it ends up on here.

I took a deposit for a small yorkie puppy some time ago. Puppy did not do well with some of her shots and had to stay to make sure that all was well.

I held unto the $200.00 deposit for quite some time before I cashed it- just this month.

Well Saturday the client came to get the puppy met her at the airport. I have everything in place-.

She flew in on a airline that does not allow pets- only service dogs. The paperwork that she provided to the airline did not qualify for her to take this dog on the plane as her therapy dog. Mind you she flew in from the east coast with no need of a therapy dog.

She could not take the dog home with her. I offered to send the dog to her this week by delta. I could send the puppy COD for the flight and we could use the same health certificate.

I am a bad breeder cause I told her that she would have to pay for the puppy in full before I could send the puppy. She was not willing to pay for the puppy - wanted me to just send the kid to her.

I am a bad breeder because I did not give her her deposit back on the spot.
I am a bad breeder because I told her that I was going to deduct my costs for this mess from her deposit. I am a bad breeder because I told her that I would not refund any money until I place the puppy in a new home.

I am a bad breeder - I should be a professional and understand that this happens and I should just eat the costs.

Why should she have to pay for my gas to and from the airport- the parking fee- two trips to the vet to get the health certificate because she did not give me all the information- the health certificate- the vet check- the worming exam- the deworming (was negative )

I am a bad breeder I am eating the cost of the Bordatella, 16 week shots, Revolution and Rabies. This kid was good to go would require nothing other then a check up for a year. Those things do not bother me they are for the benefit of the puppy.

You wonder why the costs of puppies are so high. Look at what breeders are put through. How easy it is to call some one a bad breeder and not a professional.

I could have met this gal at the airport and left her. She would have been stuck there with my puppy and no way to get her home. I told her on Friday that I did not think this airline allowed pets on board. She had it under control. I stayed with her while she tried to check in and straighten out the mess. She still had not paid me for the puppy even though it was in her carry on bag. I could have asked her for my money and left her before she had to check in at the airline. I cared too much for my puppy and also did not want to do that to her. I just had that feeling that something was not right.

What upsets me also is that she was going to pay me by a check. I am sorry- I will take a deposit on a kid that is going to leave some time later. This allows time for a check to clear the bank -can take up to 10 working days.

I do not take checks when you pick a baby up- it is a certified check, money order- paypal or cash.

I guess - I was not trustyworthy enough in her eyes to send the puppy to her. She was not going to pay for the puppy if it could not go home with her. How many of you still take a check or will send someone a puppy that is not paid for. I got burned that way in 2005 and it created a mess in my life.

Well that is all that I wanted to say- I know that this is going to get slammed on here and thought this way you can have both sides of the story. Mine and the other party. Boy am I glad that I am getting out of this mess- what used to be such fun is no longer any fun.

I got back into this for a release and to make myself feel better on days that my health was getting me down. It has placed me several feet closer to the grave. I have met some wonderful people because of the Yorkies. I have also been blessed with some that have been difficult.

Was this a yorkietalker? If so I am surprised they didnt know their airlines didnt accept pets. I dont think your a bad breeder. I think she is a bad buyer. It just sounds like she was unprepared all the way around

I guess I would have been a bad breeder too, cause there is now way I would have given her the puppy without the cash in my hand.

It's too bad that she couldn't take the puppy home with her, but one would have thought that she would have checked with the airline first. that was her responsibility, not yours.

And as for charging her for your expenses, I don't blame you it was her mess up not yours

And I don't understand her not wanting you to ship it to her.

I don't see where she would be able to call you a 'bad' breeder.
Shame on her!
I feel you did the right thing for the puppy. I don't feel she was responsible enough to care for a puppy. I think (in my opinion) you do not owe her, her deposit back. She brought all this upon herself by not listening to your advice on airlines, health certificates, payment etc.
I also flew to get my puppy last month, She was paid in full long before I flew to get her. I also checked with the airlines numerous times to make sure everything was all set and called the breeder to make sure I had everything I needed and she had all shots to travel. I also had a carrier, food, toys, blankets, tshirts, piddle pads and all necessary paperwork (with copies)
Sounds like you would not have seen the balance owed to you.
I hope this puppy finds a caring, loving, responsible home it deserves.
I am sorry this happened to you and your getting out of breeding puppies.

wow she is nuts to think you were just gonna hand her a free puppy !
u are not a bad breeder !

oh and anyone here who slams her is nuts also !!

I would have handled it exactly the same way. we have shipped hundreds of beagles thru the years andd we always get our money before they get the dog and if they don't understand that we don't take checks after we have usually told them two or three times, then something is wrong. We have taken people to our local bank or ATm because they showed up and thought they would pay with check. I am sorry to hear you are getting out of yorkies, kathy.

I also flew to pick up my new baby. She was paid in full two weeks BEFORE I picked her up, I had a reservation on the airlines for her return trip, her carrier, sweater, blanket, toys, leash, and Nutrical that I brought with her. I was in close contact with my breeder and called her from the airport when my flight was changed. She met me at the airport with the pup and her health certificate along with her shot records, which included her bordatella as I requested and paid for.

If a possible new mommy/daddy is conscientious enough to make sure their airline allows pup and hasn't made an advance reservation for the pup's return carry-on, then they probably aren't the right mommy/daddy for your pup. I don't think you handled this inappropriately at all.

I think you handled it perfectly. What could she expect otherwise.

I don't mean to jack this thread, but this has my curiosity, since I have never travelled with a dog before. Which airlines DO allow carry on pets?
Does AA or Southwest allow it?

thanks

Nope, Not slammed at all....you did everything correct. Most every breeder requires a deposit and a cash/certified check, etc on the balance, when puppy is obtained. The deposit of course would be returned if they change their minds within 72 hours (federal law), or if something happens to the puppy while still with the breeder. However, if all the problem lays with the potential new owner and by problem, I don't mean the person just found out they have cancer, or they've lost a spouse (you would return the deposit then, heck, I'd probably give them the pup).......nope, the deposit is kept. It states that in my contract. Now you have to go about finding an approved home (that takes time), plus more puppy care......Again the deposit is good faith money, to insure the potential new family has their ducks lined up in a row.

American does Southwest doesn't.

:bravo: I think what you did was right! Good for you.:)

I am not a breeder but I would not expect anything less of a good one! You did the right thing, for sure. Who in their right mind would fly to get a pup without MAKING DOUBLE SURE it was OK??? I flew to get my baby and called Delta 4 or 5 times to make SURE it was still all approved. I would have had to stay there if they wouldnt have let me have her... hehe

I do not think you did anything wrong. The price of puppy should have been paid in full. Nothing wrong with waiting to refund once you get the pup re-placed. This person obviously is someone who gets everything she's ever wanted...her way. Her expectations were unreal. She walked out on the deal...not you. Most deposits are nonrefundable. You're being more than kind to offer her any type of refund.

Congratulations! Way to Go! Great Job!

We need MORE self-reporting breeders!!!

You are not a bad breeder. I purchased a total of 3 babies from the same breeders, and each and everyone was paid for in advance.. I would not expect to receive a baby without paying up front.. If today, I was to purchase another baby from the same breeder, they would expect me to pay before that baby was shipped, and anyone who expects puppy first and payment later is out of their mind.... I appauled you for what did.:bravo:.That little furbaby should always come first......:good job:

Southwest does not allow animals unless they are a service animal. A seeing eye dog or a therapy dog would fit in this class. If you state this is a therapy dog to help you for anxiety reasons they require a letter from a psychiatrist not a general MD.

My person blew it with the airline because she was able to fly from her home to Indianapolis with out a dog. The letter this person had stated the dog was flying to help with her anxiety. The airline made the right call- how could you fly in to Indy and not need the dog but need it to fly home. I also found out that this was a free ticket the person was using. IMO the therapy dog business was just to get the dog on the plane and to not have to pay for it.
I do know that some airlines have a fee that they charge to take the baby on as your carry on luggage.

Most things happen for a reason- Tilly as the buyer wanted the baby called
is doing well and happy to be home. I have placed her on the for sale page.
I can sleep tonight and I do not feel guilty about my actions in this situation.

I informed the other party that I was charging for my gas mileage- 70 miles round trip at what the IRS allows-44.5 cents per mile. 3.00 for the parking-
42.00 for the office visit at the vet and 25.00 Health certificate. 15.00 for the worming check and 15.00 for the worming. Puppy was free of worms but you still have to check and deworm.

I just heard back from the other party and she does not feel she should have to pay for the worming or the medication. I am afraid that if push comes to shove I just might tell her she is going to eat the whole $200.00.

Live and learn by my mistakes. Just when I think I have seen it all along comes this. If I don't laugh I will cry. I guess I have to see the humor in all this.

Off topic but I do have to brag- My stud that I am showing is going to be featured in a National magazine. No not a animal. My 17 year old son.
He is a junior this year in high school and is being recruited by over 30 different colleges for football. The end of this month he is having his picture taken and having a interview done by ESPN. There will be a article about him and other midwest recruits and the group picture will be the magazine cover.

This is my bright spot and a good reason for me to not have a house full of dogs. My health is not the greatest and I want to be able to enjoy Nick's senior year of high school and be able to watch him every weekend and then play college football. This recruiting business is like taking a special out every week end and fighting for BOB and Group and Best in Show. This is major money when it can cost up 30 to 40 thousand dollars a year at some of these schools like Notre Dame, Duke and the Ivy shools. We are trying to get a full ride scholarship- and things look very bright for his future.

[QUOTE=wnalegria;1012386]Southwest does not allow animals unless they are a service animal. A seeing eye dog or a therapy dog would fit in this class. If you state this is a therapy dog to help you for anxiety reasons they require a letter from a psychiatrist not a general MD.

My person blew it with the airline because she was able to fly from her home to Indianapolis with out a dog. The letter this person had stated the dog was flying to help with her anxiety. The airline made the right call- how could you fly in to Indy and not need the dog but need it to fly home. I also found out that this was a free ticket the person was using. IMO the therapy dog business was just to get the dog on the plane and to not have to pay for it.
I do know that some airlines have a fee that they charge to take the baby on as your carry on luggage.

Most things happen for a reason- Tilly as the buyer wanted the baby called
is doing well and happy to be home. I have placed her on the for sale page.
I can sleep tonight and I do not feel guilty about my actions in this situation.

I informed the other party that I was charging for my gas mileage- 70 miles round trip at what the IRS allows-44.5 cents per mile. 3.00 for the parking-
42.00 for the office visit at the vet and 25.00 Health certificate. 15.00 for the worming check and 15.00 for the worming. Puppy was free of worms but you still have to check and deworm.

I just heard back from the other party and she does not feel she should have to pay for the worming or the medication. I am afraid that if push comes to shove I just might tell her she is going to eat the whole $200.00.

Live and learn by my mistakes. Just when I think I have seen it all along comes this. If I don't laugh I will cry. I guess I have to see the humor in all this.

Off topic but I do have to brag- My stud that I am showing is going to be featured in a National magazine. No not a animal. My 17 year old son.
He is a junior this year in high school and is being recruited by over 30 different colleges for football. The end of this month he is having his picture taken and having a interview done by ESPN. There will be a article about him and other midwest recruits and the group picture will be the magazine cover.

This is my bright spot and a good reason for me to not have a house full of dogs. My health is not the greatest and I want to be able to enjoy Nick's senior year of high school and be able to watch him every weekend and then play college football. This recruiting business is like taking a special out every week end and fighting for BOB and Group and Best in Show. This is major money when it can cost up 30 to 40 thousand dollars a year at some of these schools like Notre Dame, Duke and the Ivy shools. We are trying to get a full ride scholarship- and things look very bright for his future.[/QUOTE

Very cool about your son. I hope everything works out for the best!

United allows pets too. Be careful with any airline though, as it also depends on the size of the plane. Check out their sites for their pet policies and call and ask about specific flights before you book them.

I don't see where you did anything wrong. I would think it should have been the buyer's responsibility to make sure of the airline policy ahead of time--expecially if you warned them. This is why breeders charge deposits...to help them cover costs if something goes wrong.

The good thing from what happened to me is that others can learn. Both buyer and seller.

As a breeder anyone who reads this thread will take more time in checking things out when a client is going to fly in. I had never had a problem before.
The client will make sure that things are in order- if there are any gray areas.

We sure seem to make things complicated for each other in this world.

I am just lucky that the puppy is home with me. I am going to change her name - She is not going to be Tilly. She is going back to being Munchkin or Munchy for short.

I will be glad when she is placed- to me the joys of breeding are not there at this time. This mess has just placed it in stone that I do not want to have any more litters and deal with the public. Puppies are sure cute- but I guess they are like babies- go to someone elses house enjoy them and you can go home without any of the problems or the work.

Congratulation on your son, how exciting! Looks like we might see him in the NFL someday!. Tell him to stay local and play for the colts:) Now wouldnt that be a hoot.:thumbup:

Oh goodness Kathy.....What a headache about the airline mix up! THat deposit sounds like a keeper to me. Not sure why anyone would feel you driving to the airport, staying there for who know how long, going thru the appts, and etc would not entitle you to it. Then if you told her cash, why would she attempt to pay with a check? If I was the purchaser I would be afraid I would go all that way to come home empty handed, because some breeders would say Im sorry but that was not the agreement. No one wants to deal with a possible bad check, how fun to try to get it cleared, and the person lives hundreds of miles away. No thanks!
I had a situation once where the people drove 5 hours for a puppy. When they got here, they said they forgot their money. They said Hows about we take the dog home and send it to you. I said Hows about we dont.
They were really nice people, and the daughter was so upset and crying, I probably would have chanced a check at that time, but they didnt even have a check either. They had a friend with them, and she kindly took a cash advance on her credit card to pay for the dog, so they didnt have to drive back without the puppy. The truth is they probably would have been good for the money, but a little voice kept saying "DOnt do it dont do it" COn artists are nice too, that is how they get ya conned! The people called me later and said they understood and never got mad. They said it was their mistake not mine. Just like the airline mistake is not yours.
Or how about this one. A deposit is sent, I hold the dog for an extended period of time because they are moving........it was a heck of a long move. Then the day they were suppose to pick up the baby, I wait for hours, at one point they say they are on their way, I call back two hours later, they are still home! They never show up and say I will call later. Well that was it for me, I decided the puppy was not going with them. I find a great home I feel comfy with. I wait for the other people to call, to reschedule, and I would explain the situation to them and I would send back their deposit. I never hear from them until 2 months later! And yes they want their deposit back or a puppy. I ask why didnt you ever call back and left me hanging? They say we ran into some problems, and became homeless twice, my boss ripped me off, etc. Heavens! And I considered these people for one of my puppies. They sounded nice and stable in the beginning, but people sure do fool ya sometimes.
I do hope it all works out, try not to worry about it, gotta stay healthy to watch your son strut his stuff!

When you think that you have heard it all and have done it all- seems like something pops up that you have never expereinced.

I am amazed at my age at the number of situations that pop up. We all have stories to tell and share about the crazy things that happen when placing our kids.

Yes, to think that we thought we had the right home for the puppies. Sometimes you have to listen to that inner voice. I wanted to get my money on Saturday and run. I just had that feeling-that things were not right- but I could not do that to my puppy or the client. I did the right thing- I stayed and my baby came home with me.

I should have no when my computer and printer would not talk to each other on Sat. morn. I had to sit and write evrything out by longhand. I was not gave a home address for the health certificate and had to make a extra trip to the vet to pick it up Sat. morn. I was gave all the signs- and I can only say I just had the gut feeling. Those of you who are moms may have had that feeling when your child has been hurt or is in trouble. It is very real.

Well got to run Munchy and her friend Miss Sophie are tearing up tissue paper.
Miss Sophie is my Shi-tzu puppy. Sophie is to take Nick's place= boy does she have big shoes to fill.


Kathy

Those who think it is easy to raise a litter of puppies and place them have a lot to learn.

Yes, I am so proud of my son. He has worked very hard- he also wrestles
and does the shot put. My baby is a little over 6 foot three and weighs 275-280 pounds. I intend to enjoy his last year of high school. I also look forward to his going to college and spreading his wings. It is hard to let go. They grow up and go away. He has dreams of the NFL but a good education comes first. I am very suprised at how serious he has taken all of this publicity and is still very humble. He was listed in the Top 50 players for the State of Indiana and has made numerous other teams lists.

Kathy,
I dont think you are a bad breeder at all.
Congratulations in your son. :thumbup:

When I bought Lola I paid 2/3 up front and the cost of the shipping. After she arrived I sent the remaining 1/3. I think when these puppies cost so much neither party should take all risk. We talked many many times on the phone, e-mailed and I had a schedule from the airlines(and a call from her that morning).

I think something could still be worked out if the two of you wanted to. You would have had to have the puppy vet checked no matter what. You are out your time and she is out her time, $200 and a plane ticket(which aren't cheap). I have no idea why she still wouldn't want the puppy after all that trouble. No, I wouldn't send a puppy with ONLY a $200 deposit but something could have been worked out IMHO.

you were fortunate you found the breeder you did. 99% of us would not do that. i wouldn't. as far as the OP working something out, doesn't matter. The deposit is non refundable unless out of the goodness of her heart she wants to return it. Almost all our deposits are non refundable, too unless something were to happen on our end. kathy is also firtunate that she didn't let her baby go. A person that scatter-brained, based on what has been written, would not make a good yorkie parent.

Wow, I can't believe this!! I'm so sorry that happened to you. I'd like to share my experience when I flew to CA to pick up my precious baby Chi, Cali Cupcake. :D

The breeder and I became great friends on YT. We chatted on the phone and through e-mails allllllllll day long. We made arrangements for me to fly out to Palm Springs to pick up Cali. Since it is such a loooong flight from NY to CA, she (Kathryn) opened up her home to me and asked me to stay over-night with her and her family. I had a BLAST! Kat cooked for me and we stayed up most of the night chatting and just having an over-all great time! I also got to meet Kat's family and see Cali in her first home. It was great. :D Kat and I became great friends and she's coming to visit me in April for a week ... I can't wait! :D :D

As for the payments, I fed ex'd her a money order for half of the price. When I arrive in Palm Springs, I gave her an envelope with the remaining balance in CASH. She didn't even want to count it ... she trusted me that much (but I told her to anyway lol :p). I know this is a rare example but Kat and I really hit if off and I had such a wonderful experience. The long fight home gave me and Cali a time to bond and some personal, precious alone time.

Overall, my experience was excellent. I listened to everything Kat had to say and we had great communication. We also tried to work out our schedules to make the trip convenient for each other. I made sure to bring CASH so that she would have no worries ... I didn't want to make her uncomfortable or put her in an akward position. I wanted to make Kakthryn feel as comfortlable as possible ... I even brought gifts for her, her children and her 2 Yorkies.

Seems to me that if this "buyer" wanted to do the right thing, she would have first MADE SURE THE FLIGHT ALLOWED DOGS! That was the first thing I did before booking my flight! I even booked on the phone (which cost more money) to ensure that I would be able to bring Cali home on that flight with no problems. She also showed a gross lack of respect for YOU. She should NOT have brought a check with her ... what if it bounced? You can bet you'd never see a penny of that money again! She should have done the right thing by you and brought CASH or a money order. Shame on her! :thumbdown

I hope this doesn't discourage you too much. You sound like a wonderful breeder and I wish you all the best of luck in the future. :D

I am sorry this happened. I feel so bad for you I think you handled it the best way it could be handled. The buyer should have had her stuff together.