How would you handle this situation?
 

Approximately a year ago, I went into a partnership with another breeder who at the time I thought was extremely ethical. (No lectures here about co-partnerships -- another topic, another time.). We have a written contract that I thought was all-encompassing.

The Dam had a litter of puppies Spring of 2006. The other breeder and I agreed to rest the dog for one heat cycle as she had had a litter prior to our purchasing her. The Dam came in to heat in October 2006. At the time, the other breeder who had custody of the dog, brought into her home, a stud dog of different lineage. The other breeder, asked if it would be okay to breed the dam once more and then rest her. During this heat cycle, the other breeder attempted several times to breed stud dog and dam. This breeder has several other male dogs and one of them locked with the dam.

During the last fertile weekend of this dam's cycle, I had the opportunity to see the dog. The other owner handed her to me at a motel, prior to a dog show, with the comment, "every other dog has had her, we may as well try your dog with her to prove him. We'll just DNA the puppies at the end.?

My partner announced to me, in one of the few conversations we had after that dog show, that she was having the dam spayed as soon as possible after the puppies. Our contract says we were going to have five litters together, unless the vet says this dam needs to be spayed. I offered to take the dam to my home, 3000 miles away. She said: "no, she's being spayed and that is it -- the partnership will be dissolved." Unfortunately, our contract did not cover spontaneously spaying this dam.

Well two puppies were born about a month ago, the other breeder refuses to talk to me (since the dog show weekend), and she is refusing to DNA the puppies. She informed me, four days after whelping, of the litter. She periodically sends me pictures with weights of the two puppies.

Any ideas or suggestions (no flaming about partnerships please) would be appreciated.

Just a question, what (besides a "partnership") would you be out by cutting ties with this breeder? It sounds to me as if that would be the best option for you both as you clearly have some differences of opinion here.

I think maybe the part that gets me is the "every other dog has had her, may as well try yours." I just find it kind of shocking that this breeder or any other would be so unconcerned for the girl that "every other dog + yours" would even have a shot in the dark at "getting her." :( (In which case spaying seems like a blessing for her sake.)

I guess what I'm getting at is, anyone who would just let any dog that comes along go at it and worry about the actually parentage later (:eek: ) isn't someone I'd want to be tied to.

(Just my personal opinion...):)

I agree with you -- that comment was a direct quote. That is not exactly my idea of a good breeder.

My concern is more about the puppies, or in my case just the one that she doesn't choose and registering the puppy. At least to my knowledge all the dogs that got to bred her are purebred and registered. If I get my hands on my puppy, can we identify if my stud is the father with only two factors for DNA -- my puppy, and my stud?

I was concerned for the Dam, but she will be a lost cause to me. Fortunately, I've made my money on the last litter to repay what I paid for the partnership.

Wow...unethical dosent even begin to describe her...wow..

To me (and this is only my opinion) it seems that maybe she bred the dog with an unregistered dog...had your male mate with hers to make it 'look' like yours is the father so she can register the pups?? I would definetly get a DNA test..although Im not sure about the in's and out's that go along with that...good luck and it sounds like you will be glad to be done with someone like her...at least you made your initial money back anyhow but man what a crappy thing for her to do!! Poor dog of hers..

Dawn

The one thing besides being glad that the partnership is being dissolved....and the heartache of what happened to the dam.....I myself would want to report her to AKC.

Hmmm... there are always TWO sides to every story...

I have to agree with you...I think there maybe something a little fishy going on here...especially if this 'other breeder' is who I think it is...something isn't panning out....:(

wow she is unethical i would get away from her and i agree with everyone else something fishy is going on

Regardless, if an attempt is made to falsely register the litter without having the correct sire on the registration. One or both can be up against AKC charges.

What could be the other side to the story? I don't know what could justify breeding numerous males to one female. Christy

Anyone who wants to talk more about this, if you would PM me your phone number, I will be happy to talk to you.

While there always is two sides to the story, how come this breeder took the dam off her website and there is no announcement of puppies of this dam. The breeder has posted prior litters and a subsequent number of litters from other dams--but this one is being kept a secret.

Is this breeder from Magnolia' Magnificent Yorkshire's? If it is, she tried to sell me an older dag without telling me that the dog was injured as a puppy and that's why it was so smal.

oh geez.....
 

Why am I the only one to not know..."the rest of the story"

guess i am still a newbie:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ya..I feel like Im missing something too??

Dawn

The woman you are speaking of is a very respected member here. That does not sound like her at all.

Welcome to YT...lol...what a post to start out with.:p

BTW, what part of AL are you from?

Isnt that Sue (snowyorkies)

Yes...rather comical, isn't it?:rolleyes:

Yes I highly doubt its her

i will be watching to see how this pans out

It should pan out with a padlock! This is the kind of thing you should handle privately, IMO.

I agree

I haven't mentioned who or where the breeder is. Nor will I address that here.

I want to discuss the registration problem, please. And lack of DNA testing.

(BTW, even much loved breeders can make a mistake.)

If you have your money back I would just walk away and let it be a lesson learned.

Alabaster, where are you from? :D

Chelsea...not too far from you...

This sounds like a big ole ball of drama. I agree that if you aren't at a monetary loss that you should just walk away from it. I probably would have phrased the original question something simple like "is it possible to DNA test the puppy..." blah blah blah and left out the whole other part of the story if you didn't want to pull the "other breeder" into it. JMO.

I agree .

Well she didnt mention any names...just wanted some advice...shes allowed to ask for advice as much as anyone else on here is, even if the other member is well respected or not?? She deserves some advice and not to have her thread locked just for asking questions IMO.

Dawn

Huh???
 

Let me see if I have this straight. You co-own the female, right? The other owner bred her to many other males, right? Now, you're not sure if your male or one of the others sired the pups, right? Did you sign a stud certificate? Did the others sign one as well? Whoever signed the certificate of breeding, states that they witnessed the two dogs breeding. (At least in mine it does.) If your male isn't DNA tested alredy, do yourself a favor and get it done! The AKC requires you to have it done if the male sires more than 7 litters in a lifetime, or 3 litters in a calandar year, he must be DNA tested. You can go to the AKC website or call them to get the forms (919) 233-9767. There is a fee for doing the testing. You'll have to contact the AKC about that, as I'm sure it changes from year to year.

Regarding the other co-owner, I don't know who it is, nor do I care to know. That's between you and her. But, it sounds to me like you're better off without her. If she'd let "other males" breed her, it doesn't sound good. And to have her spayed without informing you first is, in my opinion, questionable. Was there a health reason to have her spayed?

This whole thing sounds pretty wierd to me.
JMO
Suz

I happen to know that the truth of this situation is not being presented here and would suggest that you retract this unless you would like the matter of your actual motivation for posting this, along with the actual facts of the situation presented for all to see.
There are witnesses to what went on....and documentation of the facts.