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bobbiej 01-26-2007 06:37 AM
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Whose standards? AKC, mine? yours? The person wanting a baby? Where did the standards come from in the first place? Yorkies use to be a much larger breed than todays? Who set those "standards"? This is how standards get set, When enough people desire the new color eventually they will be added to the "standards".

Mardelin 01-26-2007 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbiej (Post 913205)
Whose standards? AKC, mine? yours? The person wanting a baby? Where did the standards come from in the first place? Yorkies use to be a much larger breed than todays? Who set those "standards"? This is how standards get set, When enough people desire the new color eventually they will be added to the "standards".
I didn't open this up to create an arguement, just to inform you want that the standard is being changed.

The standard was written by the YTCA and adopted by AKC.....I don't think the Chocolate or off colored will be accepted and written into the standard in the near future as both are recognized as genetic faults. I only know that because of advertising these rare breeds and selling them for big $$$$$ that the YTCA in conjuction with the AKC found it necessary to rewrite the standard. However, these off colored Yorkies are being allowed to be registered today by the AKC.

Susan123 01-26-2007 08:17 AM
I don't breed for show, but I strive to attain as much show quality into a pet dog, according to the AKC standards. Does that make sense to anyone?

I've invested alot into my girl and I'm just having to reassess.

I like to hear everyone's view, Parti, Chocolate and Standard Breeders. It has let me know that there are other beautiful colors out there to breed for if I so choose to do so. I haven't heard if it's possible to keep her and correct it (by breeding her to one with a strong pigment, which was done) She's not extremely light as I've seen some. She's silver and blue on her back, blonde on her face, head and legs. She has halos around her eyes, brown just not black. Her nose is lighter black (dark brown) than my other yorkie's. I believe if I keep her in my breeding program, I'm going to expect a one or two "brownies" out of a litter.

Mardelin 01-26-2007 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Susan123 (Post 913405)
I don't breed for show, but I strive to attain as much show quality into a pet dog, according to the AKC standards. Does that make sense to anyone?

I've invested alot into my girl and I'm just having to reassess.

I like to hear everyone's view, Parti, Chocolate and Standard Breeders. It has let me know that there are other beautiful colors out there to breed for if I so choose to do so. I haven't heard if it's possible to keep her and correct it (by breeding her to one with a strong pigment, which was done) She's not extremely light as I've seen some. She's silver and blue on her back, blonde on her face, head and legs. She has halos around her eyes, brown just not black. Her nose is lighter black (dark brown) than my other yorkie's. I believe if I keep her in my breeding program, I'm going to expect a one or two "brownies" out of a litter.
Everyone does things differently, what you do I may not agree with your way and vise a versa.

You haven't said whether you've bred her or not. I for one probably wouldn't attempt it.

Susan123 01-26-2007 08:46 AM
Thats back at post 1. They were bred and 2 of 6 have a brown tint. I knew her eye rims were less than desireable according to AKC standards, but I could live with them in my breeding program. After the pups were born, I've been evaluating whether or not to keep the mom in my breeding program at all.

Mardelin 01-26-2007 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Susan123 (Post 913466)
Thats back at post 1. They were bred and 2 of 6 have a brown tint. I knew her eye rims were less than desireable according to AKC standards, but I could live with them in my breeding program. After the pups were born, I've been evaluating whether or not to keep the mom in my breeding program at all.
My breeding practices would prevent me from breeding her again. But, like I said this is my ethics and practice.

I'm going to give you some unsolicited advice, that may help. Attend a Dr. Carmen Battaglia breeding seminar.....it may help you with your breeding goals.

bobbiej 01-26-2007 08:58 AM
standards
 
Not intending an argument, just questioning where all the standards came from in the first place. From human beings I assume and Lord knows we humans are far more flawed than the dogs any day!;) My main point was just because thay don't fit the standards doesn't mean they are flawed in any way.

Susan123 01-26-2007 09:03 AM
Thanks Mardelin, your advice is appreciated. That's what I was looking for.

Mardelin 01-26-2007 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbiej (Post 913492)
Not intending an argument, just questioning where all the standards came from in the first place. From human beings I assume and Lord knows we humans are far more flawed than the dogs any day!;) My main point was just because thay don't fit the standards doesn't mean they are flawed in any way.
I understand what you mean, humans are more imperfect than the dog, any day. But, I still wouldn't breed for the off colored yorkie intentionally.

trini&coco 01-26-2007 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 913572)
I understand what you mean, humans are more imperfect than the dog, any day. But, I still wouldn't breed for the off colored yorkie intentionally.

:rolleyes: I for one agree with Mardelin, I would not breed for the chocolate or any other off color (according to AKC standards) Yorkie. It should be all our goals to breed as close to standard as possible and improve the breed, not deter from it, no matter how beautiful or desireable they are. :p If my litter had one in it, I would breed once more and if it appeared again, I would have her fixed and start over with another female. JMO- :p

Susan123 01-26-2007 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by trini&coco (Post 913715)
:rolleyes: I for one agree with Mardelin, I would not breed for the chocolate or any other off color (according to AKC standards) Yorkie. It should be all our goals to breed as close to standard as possible and improve the breed, not deter from it, no matter how beautiful or desireable they are. :p If my litter had one in it, I would breed once more and if it appeared again, I would have her fixed and start over with another female. JMO- :p

Thanks, this is exactly what I'm looking for opinions from breeders on what you would do in your breeding program. There are some that may live with a a 8 pound brood bitch, some more (no offense if anyone has one please) I guess I have some searching to do, what I want to base my breeding program on.

red rock blues 01-26-2007 03:43 PM
I was always under the impression that if you had a chocolate (or liver )show up in a litter, that it was the ethical thing to have both of the parents spayed and neutered. I'm shocked that a show breeder would try to run this baloney. So much for the UKC? Personally, I don't think the yorkie standard should ever be changed because of the latest fad. What might they look like in another 20 years if whims are catered to? JMHO or .01 cents worth. :)

Mardelin 01-26-2007 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by red rock blues (Post 914221)
I was always under the impression that if you had a chocolate (or liver )show up in a litter, that it was the ethical thing to have both of the parents spayed and neutered. I'm shocked that a show breeder would try to run this baloney. So much for the UKC? Personally, I don't think the yorkie standard should ever be changed because of the latest fad. What might they look like in another 20 years if whims are catered to? JMHO or .01 cents worth. :)

I ageee with you, but I'm not trying to be judgemental as the thread starter was attempting to get opinions and breeding practices.

red rock blues 01-26-2007 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 914244)
I ageee with you, but I'm not trying to be judgemental as the thread starter was attempting to get opinions and breeding practices.
Let me apologize. I guess I was being judgemental, and I truely am sorry. She did ask what you would do, and this is what I would do, as hard as it would be. I just love your posts Mardelin. you are a true diplomat and an asset to this forum. (I'm working on it.) :)

Susan123 01-26-2007 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by red rock blues (Post 914371)
Let me apologize. I guess I was being judgemental, and I truely am sorry. She did ask what you would do, and this is what I would do, as hard as it would be. I just love your posts Mardelin. you are a true diplomat and an asset to this forum. (I'm working on it.) :)
Oh no, you weren't being judgemental at all, and I did take any offense whatsoever. I truly did want to know what you would do if if were your situation, harsh or not. I appreciate your opinion (and everyones) sincerely. The posts have given me a lot to think about. There are alot of breeders who haven't chimed in for some reason or another, but for those that did, thank you for your time.


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