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Old 01-25-2007, 08:03 AM   #1
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Okay guys, we all strive to improve upon the standard. I would like breeders to give me their honest opinion please, I earnestly seek it. We're not perfect and didn't start out with 2 perfect dogs (or maybe some did). There are likely faults in coats, cottony, wirey, red legged, overbites, underbites, roach back, There are some that we each may have boundaries not to breed (here few examples roach back, overbites, underbite, hernias,LS, genetic diseases of course)

Some of you may have seen a couple posts of mine questioning about chocolate yorkies (just now figuring this out) Looking at the pups, and mom (duh Susan, mom has brown nose, and eye rims, pretty golden blonde headand chest hair) has this fault indeed. 2 of the 6 pups are brown. She was bred to a nice stud with Judabob and Burgundy in his pedigree. I've read that there are not health risks associated with this color fault like their are with the blue-born yorkie. I'd like to know what you're opinions are on keeping her in a breeding program.
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Old 01-25-2007, 09:27 AM   #2
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i almost bought a female that the breeder has had a few "rare" choclates in her line. I asked about this and she told me it was because of her dog food. Once she changed dog food, the chocolates stopped. If anyone believes that, I will sell them the brooklyn bridge. This is a fairly well known show breeder and in fact, just a couple of weeks ago, finished a grand Champion in UKC. One of the ugliest yorkies I have ever seen. I have researched. i know it is a genetic fault. i would never knowingly buy or breed a dog that has chocolate in it's line. I have seen them advertised here is ky as "rare" for big bucks. I am troubled because our people here usually fall for it. the same as they do the teacups.
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LOL, that just hilarious. The dog food. These won't be charged anymore that's for darn sure. I'm curious to see how they're going to grow, what color and such. They're not the red, or solid blond, just a brown layer that sets them aside from a standard yorkie. Thanks for your opinion.

My goal is to find a nice female one day. I got so excited to get her, and now, after Christmas, it'll be a long time before we can do which is a bummer. But of course that is my goal in my program, to ever improve.

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Sugar's Mom- She said it was the dog food? LMAO! That's a new one for me!

OP- I can't answer your question, I have no experience with the "other" colors. Best wishes to you,
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I plan to breed parti's and according to some, that is a genetic flaw also.

I cannot understand why it is 'wrong" to produce "unusual" colored puppies, as long as there is a demand for them and there are no health risks.

Unless of course you try to pass them off as being standard colored yorkies that were fed the "wrong dog food". LMAO

If you are honest and people know what they are buying how can it be wrong.
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We will be checking on your line.

As long As your DNA checks. It is OKAY.
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Thanks everyone.

I think the pups that have the brown coat are going to take after mom. They aren't a light brown, it's actually dark (can't hardly tell it in pictures) but in contrast to the other pups you can see it. I'm curious to see how they look as they age.
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As long As your DNA checks. It is OKAY.
No need to check on my line. I didn't buy the pup. The gal that told me it was the dog food must still cling to the idea that everyone in Kentucky is like the Beverly Hillbillies. You'd be surprised how many times I have run into that from out of staters. That same gal didn't know floppy ears is a genetic fault till I told her. Of course, that is a matter of opinion. This is a person that has been in the show ring for many years.
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I've seen ears flop from circumstances (heavy with hair, not trained with tape, some of them need that my bandit did) My BIL's Dad has a beautiful yorkie that is over a year now that asked me how I got Bandit ears to stand (like it was news to him), he just didn't know any better when the time was right for him to help him. Speaking of, I need to shave my little ones. I hope my husband doesn't mind me borrowing his bear trimmer. In some, probably a lot, it is genetic I'm sure.
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BTW, London's flop and if these babies ears don't stand I'm gonna have to spay my London! She was previously in a pet home with a mom and little girl so I figured they let them be, they weren't shaved.
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I have chocolates in my line. My original 2 dogs that brought me the chocolate coloring have never had a sick day in their life. The female is 7 years old and the male is 5. I retired her this past year and had her spayed, but he is still going strong. She is not chocolate in color but he is. Since chocolate is a recessive gene both parents must have the gene in order to produce the chocolate color. I have 2 female puppies right now that are the color of spun caramel. They are gorgous. I'm a vet tech and have had them checked out and they are very healthy! No little faults like has been posted here. So my point is as long as they are being bred properly and AKC doesn't seem to have too big of a problem with it, what's the big deal? I don't think it will be too long before AKC will recognize chocolates without all the hoopla we have to go thru now. It took me 7 years, but finally last year AKC recognized one of my puppies as "chocolate". Before they were called "liver and tan". Hope this helps those who are confused about the coloring versus defects. I've never bred a "defective" chocolate puppy yet.
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I have chocolates in my line. My original 2 dogs that brought me the chocolate coloring have never had a sick day in their life. The female is 7 years old and the male is 5. I retired her this past year and had her spayed, but he is still going strong. She is not chocolate in color but he is. Since chocolate is a recessive gene both parents must have the gene in order to produce the chocolate color. I have 2 female puppies right now that are the color of spun caramel. They are gorgous. I'm a vet tech and have had them checked out and they are very healthy! No little faults like has been posted here. So my point is as long as they are being bred properly and AKC doesn't seem to have too big of a problem with it, what's the big deal? I don't think it will be too long before AKC will recognize chocolates without all the hoopla we have to go thru now. It took me 7 years, but finally last year AKC recognized one of my puppies as "chocolate". Before they were called "liver and tan". Hope this helps those who are confused about the coloring versus defects. I've never bred a "defective" chocolate puppy yet.
The YTCA in conjuction with the AKC have opened up the standard to rewrite it. Any off colored; parti, chocolate will be written in as disqualification.
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Your point is well taken but If all your looking for is a pet/companion and not a show dog what's the problem? I realize that show dogs have standards to meet but I'm not interested in breeding show dogs, just lovable pretty babies for people to love and enjoy.
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Your point is well taken but If all your looking for is a pet/companion and not a show dog what's the problem? I realize that show dogs have standards to meet but I'm not interested in breeding show dogs, just lovable pretty babies for people to love and enjoy.

I understand what you're saying...however, isn't breeding to standard what every breeder strives to do......
I only say this as today's potential new yorkie families are becoming more and more savy about the breed and when looking for new babies to adopt are doing their homework and being more discriminate when making that final dicision. In other words, if they are going to shell out the $$$$, they want a yorkie that fits the standard.....
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