New Breeder(me).

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by Sunniesmommy

the only reason he isnt registered is because his parents weren't. i have had breeders tell me that he is show quality, but to go thoug hthe trouble of getting his registered is hard

If his parents weren't registered how do you know that he is even full blooded yorkie? His parents may not be pure bred yorkie, they weren't registered for some reason. Registry is set up so that they can keep track of the dams and sires of pups and be able to offer proof that they are indeed pure bred dogs. When you advertise your pup as a yorkie and take payment under that declaration, you need the proof to back that up. Only a fool pays $1000. or so for a pure bred dog with out proof of authenticity. Registries are to protect the consumer. It's like paying for a diamond and getting a fake. It might look good but if I'm going to pay top dollar for a diamond, I want proof that it's a real diamond.

[Baby Blessing]

Originally Posted by Sunniesmommy

i have done my home work and i do know quite a few yorkshire terrier breeders. you guys dont even know me and seeing as how i just joined this site thsi is a wonderful welcome.
it didnt matter to me if Sunnie was registered wehn i got him it doesnt matter to me. i honestly dont care i love him all the same and i hope than when people buy my puppies they will look at that and if they are looking for a yorkie to show then they will have to go to another breeder.
tthis thread has honestly turned me off from this site.

Hi Jessica, I just sent you a pm. I will finish reading this thread and then comment afterwards. Glad you found YT there are many wonderful folks here and know you will be happy you joined. Patti and Baby Blessing

[Miley's mom]

I'm a breeder myself , Not in the show area but I do make sure I'm breeding to the standards and make sure my breeding stock is clear of genetic problems and you will need to remove dogs from your program as soon as you know is not in the breed best interest. you will never find a dog that is 100% within the standards but making it closer and closer will be a great start , and I mention the word "making" because that's what it needs to be done you do not let any dog just get together and make puppies , choosing the best match to improve the breed , look around and be picky . I know you can be a great breeder just need to get in the right direction; Get an AKC Registered dog with champion lines and work from there ......the point is go up the ladder not down . Take your time and work it out!

[Amber_lv]

Welcome to YT and lets all remember to be nice ok.

[Baby Blessing]

Originally Posted by Amber_lv

Welcome to YT and lets all remember to be nice ok.

Patti and Baby Blessing

[tinksmomok]

Hi Sunniesmom;
As a newbie myself, welcome to the forum. I commend you on being such a young age and knowing what you want to do in your future. I believe you have set a very good goal.

As the others have previously told you do your research. Start as you are with one selected breed and visit the akc.org website. As for registering Sunnie with AKC that may be very very difficult. You would have a possibility of registering through ACA. Don't confuse AKC and ACA registrations. AKC is the oldest in which they are more interested with purebred pedigree which sets the standards for our little darlins. ACA tracks health breeding. A pup can be double registered, but be cautious of the kennel that does not offer AKC.

You will learn dogs that are AKC registered are eligible for AKC shows. This doesn't mean they will win, just that they can enter for a fee. Thats how all these champions are created. Hence the breeding stock and one reason why all the prices on these pups are so high. But now we deal with the USDA certified kennel only offering ACA registration. Their prices are just as high, only thing is these are the actual "pet quality". They can never be shown in AKC shows, unless they have a pedigree showing parents or grand parents registered. AKC can help with this.

Your on the right track honey, don't get discouraged. Just do your homework keep looking for the perfect pup that will meet the criteria of the AKC standard.

We all love Yorkies

Tinksmomok

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by MissiesMommy

I'll be perfectly honest with you, it isn't possible to breed to standards unless you're showing. .

If he wasn't bred to standard (which he wasn't, since he's not registered), he will not throw pups that more closely resemble the standard. It's not possible, and that right there invalidates any ethical, responsible reason for breeding him.

I can see your point about not thinking she should breed because her stud isnt registered but I dont agree with some of your statements at all. There are many breeders who breed to standard and don't show their dogs. To say it isnt possible is just crazy. Sure you may get a better idea of how your dog conforms to the standard by having a judge go over it but it is possible to do it without showing too. Also to say he wont throw pups that closely resemble the standard because he doesnt have papers is just ridiculous. Of course since he isnt AKC registered, the pups cant be shown and it is best to breed dogs that are AKC standard but you are going a little over board by saying the pups wont resemble a standard because he doesnt have papers I think. Give the girl and break...........

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by MissiesMommy

I'll be perfectly honest with you, it isn't possible to breed to standards unless you're showing. .

If he wasn't bred to standard (which he wasn't, since he's not registered), he will not throw pups that more closely resemble the standard. It's not possible, and that right there invalidates any ethical, responsible reason for breeding him.

I can see your point about not thinking she should breed because her stud isnt registered but I dont agree with some of your statements at all. There are many breeders who breed to standard and don't show their dogs. To say it isnt possible is just crazy. Sure you may get a better idea of how your dog conforms to the standard by having a judge go over it but it is possible to do it without showing too. Also to say he wont throw pups that closely resemble the standard because he doesnt have papers is just ridiculous. Of course since he isnt AKC registered, the pups cant be shown and it is best to breed dogs that are AKC standard but you are going a little over board by saying the pups wont resemble a standard because he doesnt have papers I think. Give the girl a break...........



I accidentally hit the button twice..I didnt mean to post it twicw

[BLowry]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I can see your point about not thinking she should breed because her stud isnt registered but I dont agree with some of your statements at all. There are many breeders who breed to standard and don't show their dogs. To say it isnt possible is just crazy. Sure you may get a better idea of how your dog conforms to the standard by having a judge go over it but it is possible to do it without showing too. Also to say he wont throw pups that closely resemble the standard because he doesnt have papers is just ridiculous. Of course since he isnt AKC registered, the pups cant be shown and it is best to breed dogs that are AKC standard but you are going a little over board by saying the pups wont resemble a standard because he doesnt have papers I think. Give the girl and break...........

Ditto!

[BLowry]

Originally Posted by MissiesMommy

I think it's important to realize that no one should be breeding for pet quality dogs. Good breeders breed to *improve* the breed. Their goal is to produce pups that are closer to the standards than the parents, and plagued with less health problems. And breeding to standards isn't so a dog looks nice or shows well, it's for the health and safety of the breed! There's a reason Yorkies are bred to a standard, and if you're not working towards that standard (looks, health and temperament-wise) you are doing a disservice to the breed, and to the owners you're selling to. With all due respect, please reconsider breeding at all unless you're doing something for the breed.

Those of us that have ended up as the buyers of these poorly bred dogs will attest to how much we hate breeders who aren't breeding to improve the breed. It's financially and emotionally draining to cope with a dog who's genes make it hurt or ill, and I get angry at Missie's "breeder" every time we're at the vet for a problem that could've been prevented had her breeder cared enough to do more than make some money. We have enough "pet quality" Yorkies in shelters and rescues throughout the US, please don't add to that.

I'm just curious...Are you a breeder?

[Princessyorkies]

Originally Posted by Amber_lv

Welcome to YT and lets all remember to be nice ok.

[MissiesMommy]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I can see your point about not thinking she should breed because her stud isnt registered but I dont agree with some of your statements at all. There are many breeders who breed to standard and don't show their dogs. To say it isnt possible is just crazy. Sure you may get a better idea of how your dog conforms to the standard by having a judge go over it but it is possible to do it without showing too. Also to say he wont throw pups that closely resemble the standard because he doesnt have papers is just ridiculous. Of course since he isnt AKC registered, the pups cant be shown and it is best to breed dogs that are AKC standard but you are going a little over board by saying the pups wont resemble a standard because he doesnt have papers I think. Give the girl a break...........



I accidentally hit the button twice..I didnt mean to post it twicw

How do you know you're breeding to standard if your dogs have never been evaluated by a judge? I'm asking honestly, because I already stated why I said it wasn't possible.

I didn't say he won't throw pups that are closer to the standard because he isn't registered. I said HE couldn't of been bred to standard because HE isn't registered (again, my earlier statements). One dog with a roach back plus one dog with an overbite does not equal a dog bred to standards (for a more extreme example). My Yorkie's parents are registered and she has a roach back and an underbite (overbite? I get them mixed up). The difference is, she probably came from a puppy mill. Were her parents ever evaluated by a judge? Guess not! Maybe the puppy mill owner had another breeder look at them. That breeder thought the dogs looked good (compared to the breeder's own Yorkies, who's muzzles were longer). Do you see my point?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but come on, why would any of us be encouraging someone to breed Yorkies that could have serious health problems? Do you know how many Yorkies there are in shelters and rescues that those of us who like going to the vet could adopt and take that chance on? I hate seeing my baby sick or in pain! My baby, and her breed, deserve better. We should all be advocating responsible, ethical breeding of our breed. Why would you permit or encourage less?

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by MissiesMommy

How do you know you're breeding to standard if your dogs have never been evaluated by a judge? I'm asking honestly, because I already stated why I said it wasn't possible.

I didn't say he won't throw pups that are closer to the standard because he isn't registered. I said HE couldn't of been bred to standard because HE isn't registered (again, my earlier statements). One dog with a roach back plus one dog with an overbite does not equal a dog bred to standards (for a more extreme example). My Yorkie's parents are registered and she has a roach back and an underbite (overbite? I get them mixed up). The difference is, she probably came from a puppy mill. Were her parents ever evaluated by a judge? Guess not! Maybe the puppy mill owner had another breeder look at them. That breeder thought the dogs looked good (compared to the breeder's own Yorkies, who's muzzles were longer). Do you see my point?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but come on, why would any of us be encouraging someone to breed Yorkies that could have serious health problems? Do you know how many Yorkies there are in shelters and rescues that those of us who like going to the vet could adopt and take that chance on? I hate seeing my baby sick or in pain! My baby, and her breed, deserve better. We should all be advocating responsible, ethical breeding of our breed. Why would you permit or encourage less?

i'm not trying to start anything by saying this but are you saying that if you are not a show breeder that you are unethical? If only show breeders ever bred do you think you would have your baby? I highly doubt it! Because if they sell their "PET" quality dogs they are very expensive so people like us probably would never be able to have one. I am so sick of this topic going so wrong i'm tired of everyone saying the only breeders should be show breeders where do you think they started? If i go buy 2 ch. lined dogs have the looked over by a judge and breed them as pets does that make me an unethical breeder?

[CO_yorkie_momma]

I wasnt encouraging anyone but you do not have to have a judge look at your dog to know if it is AKC standard or not. The description is clearly written and easy enough to read. I stated that I thought it was best to breed if the parents are AKC registered but you dont know if the dog has health problems just because it doenst have papers. There are many AKC registered dogs that have health problems too. It wasnt my intention at all to encourage her to breed her dog, just to say I thought some of the statements you made were a little harsh and untrue. You may have said it is better to have your dog looked at by a judge if you are unsure or maybe if you dont know the lines of your dog because it isnt registered, you may not know if you are getting a good sound dog with no health issues that you know of or something like that but to say her dog will not have puppies that resemble the standard because it doesnt have papers was a bit much in my opinion.

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I wasnt encouraging anyone but you do not have to have a judge look at your dog to know if it is AKC standard or not. The description is clearly written and easy enough to read. I stated that I thought it was best to breed if the parents are AKC registered but you dont know if the dog has health problems just because it doenst have papers. There are many AKC registered dogs that have health problems too. It wasnt my intention at all to encourage her to breed her dog, just to say I thought some of the statements you made were a little harsh and untrue. You may have said it is better to have your dog looked at by a judge if you are unsure or maybe if you dont know the lines of your dog because it isnt registered, you may not know if you are getting a good sound dog with no health issues that you know of or something like that but to say her dog will not have puppies that resemble the standard because it doesnt have papers was a bit much in my opinion.

i agree!! I pm'ed you BTW Barb