I don't agree with it either but i can see what the stud owner means

I would offer the stud owner what a reasonable stud fee is in your area. She can either walk away with nothing from this breeding or she can make a couple hundred with the agreement that she gives the studs info.

But in all reality you would have to give up a few hundred which is probably the loss you will take having to sell your puppies unregistered.

To make this work both sides would have to compromise some, I would learn my lesson from this, walk away and prevent it from happening in the future.

Congrats on the babies :)

Yes this is a good idea but get the stud info at the time of the money exchange

Well, this may be an unpopular opinion, but from a strictly moral/business point of view, you do owe this lady money for services rendered. While it's true that your female assumed all the risk associated with the pregnancy (poor thing with that c-section :( ), you did not have to purchase another dog with all associated expenses and time investment of raising a puppy - the owner of the stud did all that and should be compensated, even though her dog may enjoy the process. Her price may be steep, but if that's what the female puppy would have sold for had she gotten one, then she does have a right to the money, in my opinion. Should she be more understanding? Sure, but not everyone is, sadly. Anyway, I hope this works out for you. Look on the bright side, you did learn a valuable lesson - put everything in writing! Good luck.

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I tell people when they start breeding to treat people the way you would like to be treated.
This has happened to me a number of times...people insist on giving a puppy back instead of a fee. I have found it in my best interest to be fair...if there is one pup, then the fee is paid, if I ask for a female and males result..I either pick a male or allow the bitch owner to pay the regualr fee..NOT the price of a puppy.
The stud owner is out nothing, nothing at all, infact it is in her best interest to use her stud regularly..when money is your goal, you will always slant things in your favor. A breeder CAN NOT buy a good reputation..but they sure can ruin one very fast.

:goodpost: :thumbup:

I am not a breeder however, I do think that price is a little high...I do think she should get something for you using her male but, NOT that kind of money. Do you think that (if you plan on breeding her again) you could offer her pick of the next litter? Maybe this would work. And....I would DEFINATELY put this in writing!....JMO.

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NEXT TIME....there would be no next time if it were me..!

I agree with YorkieRose...there wouldn't be a next time with the same person.

I have dealt with this issue on both ends of the rope. As bitch owner and stud owner.
I studded out a few years back to a friend/fellow breeder. Everything went smoothly, I aquired a puppy as per our written agreement. If there hadn't been a puppy suitable for (to) me there was an agreed upon stud fee. (Just because she used my stud didn't guarantee there would be a puppy that I would find suitable to add to my program, and I do not like the idea of re-selling someone else's breeding) Second go around, same person, different parents, I chose not to take a puppy. My friend showed up at my door after placing the first puppy in a new home with the (pre agreed upon) stud fee. I never had to ask her or question. Thats how it should be done.

I'm the first to admit it doesn't always go that smoothly, but I've definitely lived and learned.

I would not want a next time either, for many reasons. First being the mortality rate of the females in the litter, second the c-section your girl had to go through, and third the cost and no contract.
I also would question if he has studded other litters with such a high mortality rate. Not that you would get an honest answer anyway, but maybe she'll back down a bit. Did she give you any documentation that he is a proven stud or was this just a crap-shoot? to put it mildly. Good Luck with Mom and the Babies you have been Blessed with & with this Woman.
Key2Yorkies~Jan

:) Like I said before "When I grow up I want to be just like you!"

What a school girl! Im almost 40, I dont think I will make it. :rolleyes:

I just like it when people are nice to others, considering all.

Boy do I have my head in the clouds!

Poster, I hope it all works out in your favor.

In your position, I would consider just selling the puppies w/o papers. BUT then you could end up with a bad reputation that you don't even know is being passed around.

On the other hand, I have males and if I had a verbal contract, I believe I would HAVE to be flexible. What if there were no girls in the litter? She doesn't sound like she had a good plan in place. I have seen and heard of litter after litter being born of the same sex. How could she not consider this? Sounds to me like she just wants the money. She figures she could get $1000 for a girl and she doesn't want anything less. Not fair. There should have been a fall back plan. Usually, POL is not a particular sex, usually it's the best of the litter.

Because it's your reputation, I advise that you try really hard to work it out with this woman but don't be a doormat either. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Sylvia

I'm new here, but I thought I'd offer another look at it. I understand your anger and frustration, and yes, there should have been a written contract. It might be hard for you to take her to court over it without a monetary claim. What you want is for her to sign the AKC papers to legitimize your litter, correct? I don't know if that is something that can be taken to court. However, you can look at this as a judge might if it were taken to small claims...

Your oral contract was for the exchange of her stud for a female puppy from your litter. Since there is no female puppy, by that simple contract, she is entitled to the fair market value of a female AKC yorkie puppy. Since you did not contract for stud fees, unfortunately, you can't change the contract to stud fees only. If she were to take this to court, what she would have to prove is that this $1000 she asks is the going rate for a female AKC yorkie. She would probably have to produce something more than just advertisements asking $1000, but actual proof of sales of $1000 or more.

I don't know where you are located, but in California, $1000 is a good price for a female akc yorkie.

Since you did have that contract with her, you do have an obligation to fulfill your end. If indeed $1000 is a reasonable, retail price of female akc yorkies in your area, she may have a valid case to take you to court. In the end, you would probably save yourself much stress and agonization just to give her that fee, (if indeed $1000 is the going rate for the female) and chalk it up to lesson learned.

I know this is probably not what you want to hear, and I'm sorry, but she may very well be right.

I would agree. Wishing you the best though. Then you need to decide if you will let you little one have another litter when she had a c-section. Tough decisions ahead.

My thoughts on this issue would be the proper placement of my puppies. What this breeder has done to you is wrong and you do have a couple options to make sure your puppies are placed into the proper homes. I would not consider the stud owner to be a proper home at this time anyway. As far as I am concerned what the stud owner has done to this point is not reputable and is not a way I would want to be treated. If I was in your situation I would state to her that she can pick a male from the litter. Once the male is ready for his new pet home and he is paid for, you will at that time give her the money from this particular pup. That way you have control over the placement of the puppies and she is paid for the pup that would have been her pick. Or you can decide to place the puppies into a pet home with no registrations. If the puppies are being placed into pet homes being registered with a kennel club of any kind is not necessary.