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hugeyorkieluv 12-14-2006 05:04 PM

BAD Breeder NOT A Reputable breeder WARNING
 
It is amazing that no big magazines, newspapers, or TV news shows have done a story on how puppy mill owners are raking in the BIG bucks by breeding sickly ultra-tiny dogs to fuel the latest designer-dog trend.
There are hundreds of internet puppmills and puppymill like breeders hiding behind cute websites. Yorkshire terriers are mostly targeted because they go from so much money. It is so important that people know that they shouldn’t buy online without going to the premises and agree with the living conditions for the dogs. People should support only good breeders. I have seen these poor things caged all their lives with filth all over them, bred every heat until they gladly greet their death.
I purchased my first yorkie from YORKIEBABIEDOLLS.COM from Don Montgomery. The picture on the site was of a healthy, very cute, tiny male. I asked him for references which he did provided from other owners from the same litter. I thought everything was ok. What I received at the air port was a 3 pound starved pup, ridden with coccidia, a second row of teeth, and in very poor health. But it gets worse; 2 months later he starts limping on his back leg. He was diagnosed with leg-calf Perthes disease and required a major surgery. This disease is inherited from this parents or someone in his parents line, I told Don about this yet he still breeds both the parents EVERY SINGLE HEAT!!!
He also has many many other females whom he breeds every heat they go into, and he thinks these kind of breeding practices are ok. He sells these poor puppies for around $3,000 each.
The AKC and other canine registries are partially to blame because they allow a dog to be registered to more then one litter a year. Once a year should only be allowed. In Australia this is done.
It keeps me up at night knowing that this kind of stuff is happening all over the net and thousands of dogs are living in hell, for what? For money? I don’t see how they can torture animals and get away with it. Please Please spread the word on this subject, and maybe we can put a stop to it.
www.heavensgiftskennel.com Also looks to be a hell hole.

Patti 12-14-2006 06:54 PM

That's so sad for those poor puppies and the people who end up buying sick puppies. I am looking to add another Yorkie and I am starting to rethink buying one too far away to visit before I purchase, unless it is a YT member.

Patti 12-14-2006 06:54 PM

That's so sad for those poor puppies and the people who end up buying sick puppies. I am looking to add another Yorkie and I am starting to rethink buying one too far away to visit before I purchase, unless it is a YT member.

yorkiegirl2 12-14-2006 07:40 PM

I pretty much shy away from those who use God, and such as a selling ploy.
Believing in God is one thing but should not be use as a selling gimmick.
Because most of these types of people will still turn around and stick it to you.

red98vett 12-14-2006 07:59 PM

It's awful what happened to you and that poor poor baby - You're doing your part by talking about it but I agree - there needs to be much stricter regulations with these bad breeders.

Actually I started calling them GREEDERS - The word Breeder is too good for them.

I can't believe what they get away with either. ... it's the dogs that suffer... and you are left with heartache. A nice website with a few cute yorkies does NOT mean nice people. :( there are so many sites selling dogs that are nothing but PURE B.S. :thumbdown

I don't think I would ever have a puppy shipped unless I knew the breeder on a way more intimate level than just looking at a website. They'd have to have great references for me to trust them - but the best way is always - do it in person....(I'm NOT lecturing you - you learned the hard way and I'm sorry) - that was for the next person thinking of buying off one of those 'sites'

How is your yorkie now ??? I hope he's doing much better now...and I know just what you mean about losing sleep over how bad dogs are treated. I really get upset too knowing this happens so much ...and there's hardly anything we can do about it.

prettypuppypink 12-14-2006 08:00 PM

After buying my vicious Yorkie from Ajendas. I will never get another.
Jessica

Paw2PawTalk 12-15-2006 11:21 AM

Jessica: Why do you say your yorkie is vicious ? Was she/he a puppy when you got her/him ?

prettypuppypink 12-15-2006 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Paw2PawTalk
Jessica: Why do you say your yorkie is vicious ? Was she/he a puppy when you got her/him ?

I should correct that statement. He's vicious towards other dogs and attacked my small one, ripped his throat open. He was 7 months old and his breeder lies.
This breeder did this to someone else here.

YorkieGeorge 12-15-2006 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by prettypuppypink
I should correct that statement. He's vicious towards other dogs and attacked my small one, ripped his throat open. He was 7 months old and his breeder lies.
This breeder did this to someone else here.

Hi Jessica
I am very sorry to hear this happen to your dog.:mad:
Did you buy this male dog from Ajendas yorkies?
is this dog from her line?:(

Paw2PawTalk 12-15-2006 01:37 PM

Jessica: I am so very sorry to here about you little yorkie. It makes me sick to here about a BAD BREEDER ! and the worst thing is they continue to breed ! Again I am so very sorry for your little yorkie.

Ladyhawk 12-15-2006 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieGeorge
Hi Jessica
I am very sorry to hear this happen to your dog.:mad:
Did you buy this male dog from Ajendas yorkies?
is this dog from her line?:(

I think Jessica just got a bad apple. I have gotten 3 dogs from Jendas and all of them have excellent temperment and live peaceably with my other 2. Connor is even working on his championship. Mine are beautiful and have been very healthy as well. The dog that Jessica has was bred at Fondarosas ( the dam belongs to Fonda) so maybe the territorialism or what ever the dogs problem was with her little one comes through the dam. I have 2 dogs that share a sire with her dog and they are dolls, go figure!

prettypuppypink 01-08-2007 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk
I think Jessica just got a bad apple. I have gotten 3 dogs from Jendas and all of them have excellent temperment and live peaceably with my other 2. Connor is even working on his championship. Mine are beautiful and have been very healthy as well. The dog that Jessica has was bred at Fondarosas ( the dam belongs to Fonda) so maybe the territorialism or what ever the dogs problem was with her little one comes through the dam. I have 2 dogs that share a sire with her dog and they are dolls, go figure!

YorkieGeorge's friend bought a dog from Jenda's and it was vicious and rehomed. I guess Jen has more then one "bad apple". Mine also arrived with two chin tumours, no health guarentee or contract as promised. Jen hung up on me and never responded to my emails. Yes, she had my phone number. I don't consider misrepresenting a puppy as a moral/ethical breeder. If you like a detailed list of this dog's issues from Jenda's pm me. I would never buy a puppy that carried her line or Fonda's again. Jen's behavoir was unprofessional. It's so easy to brush it off when you aren't a victim of an unscrupulous breeder.

red98vett 01-08-2007 05:42 AM

I hope you all are trying to report these breeders - have you written the BBB about it ?? Please do all you can - people like these 'Greeders' don't care one bit about dogs :( :(

SONYSW 01-08-2007 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hugeyorkieluv
It is amazing that no big magazines, newspapers, or TV news shows have done a story on how puppy mill owners are raking in the BIG bucks by breeding sickly ultra-tiny dogs to fuel the latest designer-dog trend.
There are hundreds of internet puppmills and puppymill like breeders hiding behind cute websites. Yorkshire terriers are mostly targeted because they go from so much money. It is so important that people know that they shouldn’t buy online without going to the premises and agree with the living conditions for the dogs. People should support only good breeders. I have seen these poor things caged all their lives with filth all over them, bred every heat until they gladly greet their death.
I purchased my first yorkie from YORKIEBABIEDOLLS.COM from Don Montgomery. The picture on the site was of a healthy, very cute, tiny male. I asked him for references which he did provided from other owners from the same litter. I thought everything was ok. What I received at the air port was a 3 pound starved pup, ridden with coccidia, a second row of teeth, and in very poor health. But it gets worse; 2 months later he starts limping on his back leg. He was diagnosed with leg-calf Perthes disease and required a major surgery. This disease is inherited from this parents or someone in his parents line, I told Don about this yet he still breeds both the parents EVERY SINGLE HEAT!!!
He also has many many other females whom he breeds every heat they go into, and he thinks these kind of breeding practices are ok. He sells these poor puppies for around $3,000 each.
The AKC and other canine registries are partially to blame because they allow a dog to be registered to more then one litter a year. Once a year should only be allowed. In Australia this is done.
It keeps me up at night knowing that this kind of stuff is happening all over the net and thousands of dogs are living in hell, for what? For money? I don’t see how they can torture animals and get away with it. Please Please spread the word on this subject, and maybe we can put a stop to it.
www.heavensgiftskennel.com Also looks to be a hell hole.

I bought my puppy from www.heavensgiftskennel.com and I am very happy with the service and knowledge of the breeder. Please do your research before posting something like this. I have also another friends that bought the puppy from the www.heavensgiftskennel.com and they are fine. I did not know YT at that time but the breeder is very helpful in term of raising my first yorkie.

CO_yorkie_momma 01-08-2007 08:24 AM

I also bought 2 puppies from jenda yorkies and they are the sweetest things in the world as I have mentioned in all of the other posts where these two unsatisfied people keeping posting on this subject. I am sorry you two got a bad puppy from Jen and didnt find a solution to the problem but alot of people have gotten very nice ones from them too. I know it doesnt make your situation any better but I just wanted people to know that I dont think Jen is unethical at all and she does have some very nice dogs with great pedigrees.

Barb

Ladyhawk 01-08-2007 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma
I also bought 2 puppies from jenda yorkies and they are the sweetest things in the world as I have mentioned in all of the other posts where these two unsatisfied people keeping posting on this subject. I am sorry you two got a bad puppy from Jen and didnt find a solution to the problem but alot of people have gotten very nice ones from them too. I know it doesnt make your situation any better but I just wanted people to know that I dont think Jen is unethical at all and she does have some very nice dogs with great pedigrees.

Barb

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
A breeder can't really be faulted if they throw 1 dog with a bad attitude, what's 1 out of say 50? Mary Lou is the breeder for Jendas, She's been doing this along time and has always been very helpful to me after the sale as well.

prettypuppypink 01-08-2007 12:38 PM

If Jen were a reputable breeder she would have told me this dog had 2 tumours on his chin and was dog agressive. She told me he was a calm sweet tempermant that I could travel with him. I told her that I owned other tiny dogs and she knew he was dog aggressive, he didn't get along with her her Crested "Special". She didn't stand behind her dog when I told her she misrepresented him. I have all her emails as well as mine. I think that paying $3000. for a dog, not receiving a health guarentee and contract and being deceived (lied to) is very heartbreaking especially since my previous Yorkie died of chronic pancreatitis complicated by 2 HGE attacks. I was up front with her. I waited 3 months to get another Yorkie. There were many others I could have bought. She is heartless and greedy. You can praise her to the hilt but the facts I stated are the truth. She has done this to others. My dog was obviously caged 24/7, runs in circles constantly. I have to be careful with training him because he was abused according to his trainer, now on #3. I can't rehome him, spent a fortune on vet bills as well as trainers. I don't need a trainer for obeidience, have owned dogs for 46 years but for abuse issues I have no experience. Since he almost killed my Mi-Ki twice, I think it says alot for my ethics that I still have him and am working with him for 5 months and counting. I wouldn't rehome him because I wouldn't misrepresent him to anyone and bring them heartache as Jen did to me and my family and I haven't euthanized him. I am not jen's only victim, he is as well. What I think of her can't be posted.

prettypuppypink 01-08-2007 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
A breeder can't really be faulted if they throw 1 dog with a bad attitude, what's 1 out of say 50? Mary Lou is the breeder for Jendas, She's been doing this along time and has always been very helpful to me after the sale as well.


They can be faulted for not being honest about the "dog with a bad attitude" and lying to the buyer about a 7 month old dog with a "bad additude." This was not one dog, she did the same to YorkieGeorge's friend. If Mary Lou is the breeder and I never spoke to her but to Jen. Does that make Jen a broker?

vainchick5 01-08-2007 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by prettypuppypink
If Jen were a reputable breeder she would have told me this dog had 2 tumours on his chin and was dog agressive. She told me he was a calm sweet tempermant that I could travel with him. I told her that I owned other tiny dogs and she knew he was dog aggressive, he didn't get along with her her Crested "Special". She didn't stand behind her dog when I told her she misrepresented him. I have all her emails as well as mine. I think that paying $3000. for a dog, not receiving a health guarentee and contract and being deceived (lied to) is very heartbreaking especially since my previous Yorkie died of chronic pancreatitis complicated by 2 HGE attacks. I was up front with her. I waited 3 months to get another Yorkie. There were many others I could have bought. She is heartless and greedy. You can praise her to the hilt but the facts I stated are the truth. She has done this to others. My dog was obviously caged 24/7, runs in circles constantly. I have to be careful with training him because he was abused according to his trainer, now on #3. I can't rehome him, spent a fortune on vet bills as well as trainers. I don't need a trainer for obeidience, have owned dogs for 46 years but for abuse issues I have no experience. Since he almost killed my Mi-Ki twice, I think it says alot for my ethics that I still have him and am working with him for 5 months and counting. I wouldn't rehome him because I wouldn't misrepresent him to anyone and bring them heartache as Jen did to me and my family and I haven't euthanized him. I am not jen's only victim, he is as well. What I think of her can't be posted.

Thank you for posting your experience with this greeder as Vee calls them. I am on the verge of getting another yorkie and I only need 1 person to talk about their bad experience for me to stay away. I'm sorry for what you and your baby are going through. But you know what, do what ever you can to bring this greeder to justice. Sue her if you must but get either your vet bills paid or your money back. I would hire an attorney and seek justice, not for the money, but for the responsibility. Karma is a bi**h, she will get hers too and so will other greeders like her.

vainchick5 01-08-2007 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
A breeder can't really be faulted if they throw 1 dog with a bad attitude, what's 1 out of say 50? Mary Lou is the breeder for Jendas, She's been doing this along time and has always been very helpful to me after the sale as well.

I don't care if it's 1 dog out of 500. Jendas should stand behind her responsibilities. She SHOULD have told every person that was interested in this dog, his faults and conditions. If she didn't know, as a "Reputable" breeder she should have worked with this person to make it a more pleasant experience. But because she probably isn't one of those breeders, she gets the bad mouthing as deserved.

red98vett 01-08-2007 01:22 PM

I guess it boils down to how a breeder handles unhappy people....I talk to several breeders with good reputations on a pretty regular basis and I know they would bend over backwards to solve any problems -

Ladyhawk 01-08-2007 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by prettypuppypink
They can be faulted for not being honest about the "dog with a bad attitude" and lying to the buyer about a 7 month old dog with a "bad additude." This was not one dog, she did the same to YorkieGeorge's friend. If Mary Lou is the breeder and I never spoke to her but to Jen. Does that make Jen a broker?

That's where I'm confused. Mary Lou is listed as the breeder for all three of my dogs, she owns both the sire and the dam. Fonda is the owner of the dam of your dog but Mary Lou owns the sire because that's Parker if I'm not mistaken. Apparently Jen (who is Mary Lou's daughter) must have gotten together with Fonda to do some breeding. I've had no dealings with Fonda and have only e-mailed Jennifer once when her mother was busy. CO_yorkie_momma has a dog who is sired by Parker and who's dam is a Fondarosa bitch, I wonder if Jennifer is listed as her dog's breeder? What was Jen doing with the dog if it was bred at Fondarosa's? Do you know why she had this dog at 7 monthes? Was she hoping for a showdog? Why did she charge you so much for him? Did she represent him as a showdog? I must admit it is an odd situation.

Ladyhawk 01-08-2007 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by red98vett
I guess it boils down to how a breeder handles unhappy people....I talk to several breeders with good reputations on a pretty regular basis and I know they would bend over backwards to solve any problems -

Well this statement is certainly true! I've never had a bad experience with Jendas and therefore have had no reason to be unhappy or to be dealt with. As a breeder I've been lucky to have produced pups with great temperments. I work very hard to be sure that they're well socialized and so far (knock on wood) have had very good results. I guess if someone was that unhappy and the dog and owner were both miserable, I'd simply take back the dog for the best solution for all involved. I never want one of my babies to be miserable in their life situations. I brought them into this world, I'm responsible for them. I must say though that the hardest part about being a breeder is not dealing with the dogs but dealing with the people!

vainchick5 01-08-2007 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk
I must say though that the hardest part about being a breeder is not dealing with the dogs but dealing with the people!

But I think as long as a breeders practices are ethical, people have no reason to complain. People work really hard for that thousand, two thousand or three thousand dollars they pay, so they should get all of their questions answered, and then some. People only start to become difficult when they feel as though they've been duped or they are getting the short end of the stick.

Ladyhawk 01-08-2007 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vainchick5
But I think as long as a breeders practices are ethical, people have no reason to complain. People work really hard for that thousand, two thousand or three thousand dollars they pay, so they should get all of their questions answered, and then some. People only start to become difficult when they feel as though they've been duped or they are getting the short end of the stick.

This is true to a great extent but when dealing with pups that change so much as they grow up, you can run into problems occasionally. I can only estimate growth, coat quality and quantity, and temperament. If a bitch turns into a real bitch when grown or a dog turns out too shy to show, a person can get unhappy. You can't predict the future and some people just don't want to accept that. That being said, I'm sure that at 7 months Jessica's dog would have shown it's true colors at least a bit and someone (whoever had him previously) would have known. There is also no excuse for not telling a prospective buyer about a health issue or physical fault. I was lied to once by a breeder that I purchased a dog from over the internet (not Jendas). Eventually the dog turned out to be a prize though she still has issues. I consider her my rescue ( I took her out of a bad situation) and she's special to me, hang ups and all. I can sympathize with Jessica's situation, I simply hate to see Jenda's trashed when Mary Lou is involved and I've had good experiences with her.

prettypuppypink 01-08-2007 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk
That's where I'm confused. Mary Lou is listed as the breeder for all three of my dogs, she owns both the sire and the dam. Fonda is the owner of the dam of your dog but Mary Lou owns the sire because that's Parker if I'm not mistaken. Apparently Jen (who is Mary Lou's daughter) must have gotten together with Fonda to do some breeding. I've had no dealings with Fonda and have only e-mailed Jennifer once when her mother was busy. CO_yorkie_momma has a dog who is sired by Parker and who's dam is a Fondarosa bitch, I wonder if Jennifer is listed as her dog's breeder? What was Jen doing with the dog if it was bred at Fondarosa's? Do you know why she had this dog at 7 monthes? Was she hoping for a showdog? Why did she charge you so much for him? Did she represent him as a showdog? I must admit it is an odd situation.

Why don't you ask Jen. I have never received any answers from her to my questions. Jen presented it to me as her dog but when I received the papers, Mary Lou was the breeder. I never even heard of Mary Lou at all until I saw the AKC registration papers. This Parker( Fondarosa's West Wing), I was told is owned by Jen, was co-bred to Fondarosa Dam, Fondarosa Velvet Revolver. I haven't a clue to any of your questions because Jen is not honest and has never replied except to hang up on me and never replied to any emails after I expressed my displeasure about this dog upon arrival as being misrepresented by her, another way of calling someone a total liar. He was never show quality, hardly, has an awful thin dry coat, doesn't grow, didn't resemble his pictures. My vet removed the tumours from his chin and couldn't get all margins because his mouth would have been pulled down. They were benign but must be watched because they can grow again, then margins would have to be removed and he will have difficulty eating. There was a health certificate from her vet for shipping and boy did she want to ship him two days later but it was 4 instead because I couldn't meet him at the airport two days later. What kind of vet doesn't see two tumours. He also didn't have rabies but jen said her vet lied for shipping purposes. That I was told, only honest statement from Jen. Do you know how sad I feel getting a dog like this after losing a fabulous Yorkie. I discussed with Jen what I wanted in a Yorkie. She told me what I wanted to hear, she doesn't have a heart.
It's not at all an odd situation for a money hungry bad breeder or broker. I haven't a clue what her position is in relation to Jendas or Mary Lou nor do I care anymore except to warn others as I did this a.m. when someone posted asking about her. I wouldn't want anyone to go through the heartbreak that I am. You and your friends who praise her can't accept my experience or YorkieGeorge's friend only defend her, that's your choice. I had an experience where I received a beautiful. sweet, calm, loving Yorkie from a breeder. At the same time two other people in San Francisco received two from the same litter that I did, they died of Parvo. I have all the copies of paperwork from their lawyers, they sued her. The animal hospitals fought to save those 2 puppies. My vet couldn't believe I had the copies. Would I recommend her to anyone, no. I understand about Parvo but they arrived with it. I was lucky mine only had Giardia. I know others that have bought from her and are breeders and had beautiful healthy dogs. I also know that she has dogs that are sold for pets and don't receive the same care as those going to breeders. I also paid $3,000. for that Yorkie and never regret that I did.
I could have bought many Yorkies that were gorgeous from breeders that I wouldn't place their names in the same post with Jen. I was sucked in by Jen and her website and I'm paying now with a nightmare of a Yorkie. I am not pleased with myself either for being so trusting.

prettypuppypink 01-08-2007 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk
Well this statement is certainly true! I've never had a bad experience with Jendas and therefore have had no reason to be unhappy or to be dealt with. As a breeder I've been lucky to have produced pups with great temperments. I work very hard to be sure that they're well socialized and so far (knock on wood) have had very good results. I guess if someone was that unhappy and the dog and owner were both miserable, I'd simply take back the dog for the best solution for all involved. I never want one of my babies to be miserable in their life situations. I brought them into this world, I'm responsible for them. I must say though that the hardest part about being a breeder is not dealing with the dogs but dealing with the people!

Oh this dog from Jenda's isn't miserable here, best he was ever treated in his life for sure. I am unhappy because this wasn't what I had discussed with Jen as to what I was looking for in a Yorkie. I was lied to by a so called reputable breeder as you claim because she wanted to dump this dog for as much money as she could. Why does she breed with Fonda if Jen or Mary Lou are so wonderful? Do a search on YT and read what Fonda has done to many including John.

CO_yorkie_momma 01-08-2007 07:56 PM

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CO_yorkie_momma has a dog who is sired by Parker and who's dam is a Fondarosa bitch, I wonder if Jennifer is listed as her dog's breeder?

Actually, the sire of Kiley is Crystalwaters super Duty who is Riley and the mom is Fonderosa's Capital Steps which I think is the sister to Parker. I think it is Mattie but not sure. She is a little beauty and onery for sure but never mean and neither her nor Trace seem like they were ever caged a day in their life. They both jumped out of the kennels the day we got them and started giving us kisses and were so happy and healthy and we havent had a minutes trouble with either of them. Here is a picture of her with one of the other dogs, Louie and a close up of her. We love them to pieces and my husband is just crazy over Kiley. He thinks she is the best.

Barb

I forgot to add that Jen was no listed as the breeder, Mary Lou is.

rachelsyorkie 01-08-2007 09:21 PM

I hope they do let the dogs out to socialize as much as possible-everyday. It does look clean. Hopefully they only keep them put up when in heat, when they have to to keep them from breeding etc. Because locked up 24/7 is a very sad way to keep anything. And a mom needs her space from the pups daily too :( I've seen much much worse though. At least this does look clean & organized.

Ladyhawk 01-09-2007 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma
CO_yorkie_momma has a dog who is sired by Parker and who's dam is a Fondarosa bitch, I wonder if Jennifer is listed as her dog's breeder?

Actually, the sire of Kiley is Crystalwaters super Duty who is Riley and the mom is Fonderosa's Capital Steps which I think is the sister to Parker. I think it is Mattie but not sure. She is a little beauty and onery for sure but never mean and neither her nor Trace seem like they were ever caged a day in their life. They both jumped out of the kennels the day we got them and started giving us kisses and were so happy and healthy and we havent had a minutes trouble with either of them. Here is a picture of her with one of the other dogs, Louie and a close up of her. We love them to pieces and my husband is just crazy over Kiley. He thinks she is the best.

Barb

I forgot to add that Jen was no listed as the breeder, Mary Lou is.

Hey how old is Kiley? Cricket's father is Riley and her mother is Mattie. Are our dogs sisters or littermates? Cricket was born June 30,2006.


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